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Bad Guy BEWARE! Ken, the owner of Exotic Pets LLC is not a reputable dealer!

I believe that Mike is referring to the fact that there's actually never been an albino thayri found, and that to create this animal some time ago another mexicana group albino was used in the mix. For mexicana complex fanciers, this is well known and the ad is not misleading in any way. If anyone inquired about this snake, I would explain it to them. I don't really think it's any different then all of us cornsnake breeders calling amelenistic corns albinos, which they are not. Kind of nit picking on the name if you ask me. Same with the Cook's tree boa. Both names have been used for the same snake for years, and it's never been conclusively determined that we are talking about two separate subspecies of snake. It doesn't take much effort to contact me and let me know you don't like the title of the ad. I believe the descriptions and photos of these animals pretty much speak for themselves. Mike, what other "hybrid" ads do you have an objection to? I don't think this is the place to have such a debate, but I can do it privately if you like. I'm always open to other views.
 
Excellent response there, good lookin', er, Ken.

I believe the score is now Ken: 4, complaints that are well-founded: 0.

I admit I am not the king of appropriateness, but have to agree the way they were brought to Ken's attention was less than appropriate. It's called a Private Message, or PM. Learn it, use it, and it will be your best friend. It can also keep you from committing a PEP.
 
james

shocked to see this had even gone on for sooo many pages.

i had to stop reading after page 25...

glad to see kens rep till comes out on top, great guy overall. every purchase i have made from him as been top notch.


Ken again glad to see you came out on top, if your ever in the tempe az area feel free to swing by pets inc and say hi.


James bolar
 
James, I'll be there in November for the TTPG conference and the show. I'm doing the auction again for them. I was at Pets Inc last year, and it was very nice. I'll try to make it again. If not, find me at the auction and say hi. I'll be around.
 

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Excuse me, my complaint is well founded. Say I crossed a common ball python with an albino burmese and advertised it as a giant albino ball python. I'd probably get some death threats :)
 
Heaven said:
Excuse me, my complaint is well founded. Say I crossed a common ball python with an albino burmese and advertised it as a giant albino ball python. I'd probably get some death threats :)
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Not possible, come up with something that makes sense to make your point.
One is an african animal and the other is an asian.
 
Actually, burm-balls have been produced I believe, but it wouldn't be albino.

But on topic, can you show that you're not just being nit-picky and a "purist" if it's industry standard to call that particular snake as Ken labels it? If ALL the albinos of that species are the hybrids(however far back they were made)and it's industry standard to call then as Ken's label and only a few purist INSIST on calling it a hybrid when most everyone realizes, then is he really "mislabeling" it?

It'd be like selling a "Bateater" and you jump up and say "You're mislabeling that! It's a HYBRID" when anyone knows a bateater is a hybrid between retic and burm. It's the industry standard to say "bateater" not "hybrid bateater".
 
I guess most people would refer to it as a Pastel Kingsnake. You're right though you/he can call it whatever you want. I moving on. I'm not the ad police :)
 
Mike, just to let you know, I bought these snakes from two reputable breeders at two different, large reptile shows. They both had them marked as Albino Variable Kingsnakes. Not one of them, but both of them. I bought some to keep and breed, and some to sell. I just listed them the exact same way they were listed when I bought them. No big deal. Let's just both stand down now. I surrender.
 
FYI Ken....
A true Amel Thayeri has not been produced since the late 80s / early 90s and it was killed by its mate........All the ones on the market today are from Pro Breeder's Ruthveni crosses (Pastel Kings) or somebody's homegrown mutt project.......The ones you have listed on the KS classifieds are not Thayeri....But the term "variable" could be correct as that is a colloquial term.........I would never call them L. m. thayeri though if I were you.........Not a threat just a word of advice......if you needed any.....LOL

OH....And I see them misrepresented all the time by "reputable" breeders at many shows including Daytona...........There are only a few true, blue reputable Mexicana breeders left in the hobby..........

Just thought I'd add a couple centavos to the kitty......lol
 
The only reason I could even see for questioning the ad (since most who would buy them know that they are in fact hybrids) is that it is in the mexicana complex section instead of the hybrid section. I would think a known hybrid, no matter how accepted it is would still be put in the hybrid section, even if all of the ancestors were of the mexicana complex. By advertising it as a variable king in the hybrid section, it shows that one knows that it is a hybrid that is mostly thayeri. Selling it as an albino variable king in a section reserved for pure animals could mislead some people, intentional or not.
 
I am usually a lurker, But i have to say this is the best thread i have ever read.I am glad it all worked out for you ken, And good job guys :thumbsup:
 
The rare Cook's tree boa-Corallus cookii ( found only on St. Vincent island in the Caribbean-No subspecies currently recognized.) Is hardly the same thing as an Amazon tree boa-Corallus hortulanus ( widespread and common throughout south America ) Listing Amazon tree boas as Cook's tree boas could easily be construed as misleading because it is.
 
Alright everyone. I have been in the process of trying to patch things up over my little rant. I have posted on several forums and this is exactly what I posted,

"Ken foose did refund everything minus the shipping. Apparently he did not receive my email I sent him about the other king dying. I am to blame for not contacting him and blaming him for that. He said that he could pay shipping on my next order, I agreed that that seemed fair if he would forgive me for ranting and blaming him for something that was my fault."

Again I am sorry. I thought you must have received my emails and just blew them off. It was my fault for not making sure he received them. Sorry.
 
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