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Bad Guy Beware of Casey Lauren Byiers (Rhasputin/EVLV/Eccentric Evolution)

Okay, sorry I am back from the game and here is my account of that evening and prior transactions with Casey. This is NOT her first time being underhanded and seedy.
That evening that the mice arrived was a nightmare. The flight was late and the mice were not on the import computer records. We had physical paperwork but not the computer back up so it took over 3 hours and 6 people helping before they released the mice. Then Casey met us at the door of the airport. She hovered over the mice as we opened the boxes and immediately started picking out the ones she thought were best. Even mocking the poor quality of the ones she rejected. (Which is doublely shameful to me. Since it insulted amazing mice and the people who very very generously gave them to us...as well as leaving the leftovers to the people who could not be there. Thank goodness her standards of what is good is not too great so great mice still were passed on.) She even attempted to take a mouse out of my hands that I was claiming.
She tried several times to put things in her cages that weren't hers. She slipped things into cages without a word and we had to keep counting over and over to make sure the numbers were right.
Nobody thought to question the genders of the abys that she took. And worst of all she tried to take mice without payment.
It was only because myself and the orgainizer put our foot down did she finally "find" a way to paypal Maggie though another friend. Otherwise she kept arguing that she owed anything...and then gosh, she didn't have cash...then she didn't have a atm card...then she didn't have a paypal account. So only then when we said she was not leaving with the rumpwhite buck until she paid did she find a way. It was rude and if we had not been strong women who knew she would pull this...Maggie would have never gotten paid back.
This is of course on top of the fact that she sold me a sick mouse that died. That happened this past fall. I arranged to get two show type splash mice. Both in breeding condition. What I got was a buck who was very out of shape and at least a year old, with no pedigree. He was however show type even if not good quality. The doe she gave me was a petstore mutt who was acting really odd at the time (running and flipping over and over) and who got sicker the next day. When I posted publicly what happened, she flipped out. She called me using another phone so I would not know it was her, and then cried and whined and begged me to remove the negative post. She even threaten me that I should not have used her name and ruined her reputation.
I was told multiple accounts by others she defrauded, and I am hoping they are willing to join and post here as well. I will not repeat second hand knowledge however.
 
On top fo that, the mouse isn't hers to breed. She told me that was her "compromise"....not even wanting to give me the option of having the animal that I paid for until after she bred it for herself and kept that litter....which would mean one less litter that I could produce from the mouse. I offered to give her offspring for free after I bred the mouse...but that was not an acceptable "compromise" to her...even though the mouse isn't supposed to be hers to begin with and I was under no obligation to offer that.
 
That is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. What kind of person steals another person's animals? It's atrocious. I sincerely hope that you manage to get your mouse back. :/
 
Sorry despite the excuses, the organizer is still responsible for distribution of product they received money for. The organizer has the problem with Casey, not you. You have a problem with the organizer not "organizing" properly.
 
Regardless of the mistake made at the airport, that doesn't mean that casey has done nothing wrong in this situation. She claimed an animal she knows she was not supposed to receive, was told by the organizer to trade it to what she was supposed to get, and she has refused. Even with the organizer having made a mistake Casey is still very much in the wrong. She KNOWS the animal is supposed to belong to me, tried to take other animals that were supposed to go to other people, and refused to make right. The organizer IS doing what she can to help rectify the situation btw.
 
E2MacPets said:
Do you then condone rewarding someone for theft/dishonesty?

Condone? I don't see another conclusion that will make the OP happy. Even if the answer is not immediate, the OP is better off with a baby than nothing.

Would you feel it is an appropriate behavior for someone trying to better the hobby to introduce a freshly imported animal to other animals without quarantine?

Animals can be quarantined in many ways. The term quarantine to general society is purely not having mass exposure. These are not wild caught. They came from another breeder so no i doubt I would be super concerned about quarantine if I trusted the breeder.

Would you want them doing this with an animal you purchased, without your permission? Would you be okay with them taking your animal before you've had the opportunity to inspect it and without your permission, and subject it to breeding to animals that are from a different continent?

Possession is 9/10ths of the law unfortunately. The OP accepted a mouse. If it wasn't correct, she should contact the seller she purchased it from

In your theoretical scenario, what if now this mouse dies while in the care of Casey?
I guess the OP is in no worse of condition than if it died in transit other than the fact, she does alreayd have a mouse worht what she paid for it
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I hope that answers your questions. Might not be ethical but its how I feel a court will find the situation.
 
StinaUIUC said:
Regardless of the mistake made at the airport, that doesn't mean that casey has done nothing wrong in this situation. She claimed an animal she knows she was not supposed to receive, was told by the organizer to trade it to what she was supposed to get, and she has refused. Even with the organizer having made a mistake Casey is still very much in the wrong. She KNOWS the animal is supposed to belong to me, tried to take other animals that were supposed to go to other people, and refused to make right. The organizer IS doing what she can to help rectify the situation btw.
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Then in the event of such an unethical act, I wish your community would stand together and cast out such a person. They should be banned from all websites, denied entrance to shows and shunned by the community.

Good luck with that.
 
Possession isn't really 9/10ths of the law. And the point of sharing this information isn't necessarily to get the mouse....I have no expectations of getting her...its making sure as many people as possible know about it so that she will hopefully not be able to do something similar to at least some other people.
 
suzuki4life said:
Sorry despite the excuses, the organizer is still responsible for distribution of product they received money for. The organizer has the problem with Casey, not you. You have a problem with the organizer not "organizing" properly.
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Casey sent Stina a text saying "I have your mouse"
After this occured, on the same day an attempt was made to reclaim the mouse at the residence of the homeowners that Casey is renting a bedroom from (the homeowners also are part of this hobby/community).
Casey refused to turn over the mouse.

That makes it a problem that is with Casey.

Casey has already introduced a freshly imported animal to her other mice. She has failed to quarantine an animal that does not belong to her and that she has no right to be in possession of, endangering the wellbeing of this mouse as well as her own. That makes it more urgent.
 
suzuki4life said:
Animals can be quarantined in many ways. The term quarantine to general society is purely not having mass exposure. These are not wild caught. They came from another breeder so no i doubt I would be super concerned about quarantine if I trusted the breeder.
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No they are not wild caught, but they are freshly imported from another country. They have no prior exposure to any pathogens that domestic mice would have and neither do the domestic mice have prior exposure to any pathogens the international mice would bring with them.
 
suzuki4life said:
Sorry despite the excuses, the organizer is still responsible for distribution of product they received money for. The organizer has the problem with Casey, not you. You have a problem with the organizer not "organizing" properly.
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In a civil litigation situation that may be the case but this isn't a court of law. For the most part here we are left with peer pressure to resolve conflicts.

If everything is stated correctly by the side that is presented here she still took something she didn't pay for and knows it. In the process she has denied someone their rightful property.

Sure you can state the fault is with the person organizing the procedure but it still doesn't diminish what the thread target is accused of doing. Taking property she knows she isn't entitled to is the crux of the thread. If everything stated so far is correct, then my opinion would be she deserves the attention shown here. Other opinions may very.

My opinion is, technically you are right but I don't see that it matters so much. According to the side that has been presented she knows she has property that doesn't belong to her and refuses to correct the situation.

If true, she is a bad guy and deserving of this thread and I think that is the bottom-line here on the BOI. Again, just my opinion.

She should be responsible for correcting the situation in this scenario.
It's the right thing to do.

In your example if the animals died or if someone took a animal and live arrival was guarantee, I think most reasonable people would state the organizer is responsible to correct the transaction with the buyer. Here we know who has the animal they wrongfully took. Getting them to correct the situation seems to be the best scenario.

And yes, taking something under false pretenses
I have a feeling that Casey was given the animal with very little dispute. If that is the case, then Casey stole nothing.
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regardless of force or dispute is still considered a crime in many instances. So to state she stole nothing under such a scenario my gut tells me may not be the case in all situations. This might not be one. What do I know, I'm not a lawyer. I just go by what I believe is right and wrong. Ethical and unethical behavior has a place here.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
And yes, taking something under false pretenses

regardless of force or dispute is still considered a crime in many instances. So to state she stole nothing under such a scenario my gut tells me may not be the case in all situations. This might not be one. What do I know, I'm not a lawyer. I just go by what I believe is right and wrong. Ethical and unethical behavior has a place here.
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Incorrect, there is no such thing as "taking" where there was an appointment of distribution. Responsibility still falls on the organizer to give/distribute.

This post IMHO should read _____________ did not organize this situation properly. Then the organizer can call _______________ a thief if they feel they were wronged.

I don't blame walmart because someone stole the last ______. I blame them because they allowed it to happen and as part of a seller's responsibility, they must stand behind their products (and its security).

My opinion.
 
suzuki4life said:
Incorrect, there is no such thing as "taking" where there was an appointment of distribution. Responsibility still falls on the organizer to give/distribute.

This post IMHO should read _____________ did not organize this situation properly. Then the organizer can call _______________ a thief if they feel they were wronged.

I don't blame walmart because someone stole the last ______. I blame them because they allowed it to happen and as part of a seller's responsibility, they must stand behind their products (and its security).

My opinion.
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Your opinion Gary. Also the minority opinion.

Casey boosted that mouse and THAT'S the point of this thread. Hopefully by morning she'll have seen the hugeness of the stupidity she's committed and will apologize, make amends and learn.

Or maybe you should go check out the jerry kruse thread and see how that went for him as far as what kind of reputation he's got left. I think I saw him using it to clean shoes at the dogpark, but it may have been some other east coaster who's reputation is equally worthless thanks to the BOI.
 
Gary, I appreciate where you are coming from, but nothing about your perspective absolves Casey from wrongdoing. I feel your Walmart analogy is flawed, because the expectation from a group purchase should be that everyone pays for and takes possession of exactly what is agreed on during the planning stages. There is a far greater expectation of an honor system at work in such a cooperative process.
 
E2MacPets said:
Gary, I appreciate where you are coming from, but nothing about your perspective absolves Casey from wrongdoing. I feel your Walmart analogy is flawed, because the expectation from a group purchase should be that everyone pays for and takes possession of exactly what is agreed on during the planning stages. There is a far greater expectation of an honor system at work in such a cooperative process.
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shame Casey, Shame!!!!
 
Anyone who knowingly takes something that is not theirs is a thief, there is noon other definition for it. She ordered 2 males and when the shipment came in, she decided that she really wanted a pair (male & female), so Casey took the OPs female. That is stealing.
 
casey, have you made arrangements to return the mouse you took yet? Right now, forever if you keep it, it's stolen property that doesn't belong to you. It's something you've lied about and put what appeared to be a good reputation on the line over. It seems that you may well be a small time bully and actually have some mental impairment if all that has been said about you on other forums, and it's come from some people who not only have good reputations -see how that works? good reputation, people believe you- but have no reason to speak against you at all. Yet they do. In growing numbers.

Get ahead of this now, this morning, if you've got any conscience at all and any desire to participate in ANY online community in the future as anything other than an example of what NOT to do and a first class liar.

How stupid can you be? All this over a mouse?
 
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