Beware of Jeane Best & Wendy Childs

[timbo08]

Bbb

This thread has nothing to do with me but i have followed along all the way. After hearing that this lady contacted the BBB with the 6 dead geckos BS I emailed the BBB.




I asked them how illegal it is to make a false report to them and what action is taken against the party responsible for making this false claim.

If no one finds out I will be the first to post the response from the BBB


-Tim Abell

 

[ambrosemurphy]

Does anyone have any screen shots of her charging people for using paypal? If so please post it and I can give it to paypal when I talk to them tonight!!

Thanks Erik

Hi Erik~
Does this help? It is the confirmation e-mail/payment instructions for my getting taken by buying one of their fraudulently listed "pure Rankins"...

Congratulations! You are a winning bidder.
Item # Female Rankin Pink

Winning Bid $85.00

Shipping $ 40.00
Total $125.00

Payment must be received within 5 days of this invoice please.

Paypal payments can be accepted if you please add the 4% fee they charge to the total amount to: [email protected]

Otherwise please send payment through the mail! I accept: Cashiers Check, Money Order, or Personal Check (please allow to clear before ship) to:

Jeane Best

4422 North Center Road
Spokane, Washington

99212

Your item will be shipped the day of or the day after I receive payment,I will notify you when I receive it.

We will ship tomm if you want or else Your item will be shipped on the first Monday or Thursday (only shipping days) after payment is received!

Thanks Again!

Thanks so much,
Jeane Best
SpokaneLizardLady on www.reptileauctions.com
Specializing in High End Colored Morph Bearded Dragon!



Yep, stupid me paid it...she also disregarded my shipping instructions completely...she shipped through the Post Office to my HOME address (which I had never even given her)...ONLY when I got the tracking info did I discover it was the Post Office delivering and that it was scheduled for home delivery...had to take an unscheduled day off from work and sit at home waiting for the HYBRID Rankin to arrive...Jeanne had some interesting excuses for that!

Additionally, my two regrettable purchasing encounters with this pair of criminals all started with Jeanne and ended up with Wendy...they use the same monikers, accounts, etc. so you are seldom sure WHO you are dealing with...yep, should have been another big warning sign to me Refuse to feel guilty though as I was sure less educated on these matters then than I am now...can only hope some of this heads others off before they are sucked into their fraudulent and unethical business practices!

Sorry you and others are going through more craziness with this pair...hopefully, someone can get it all stopped once and for all...certainly not what the reptile community needs to be tolerating!

If you need an actual screen shot, I don't know how to do that here...better yet, I will e-mail you privately some actual e-mails you may use to fight this nonsense...

 

[Dennis Hultman]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76973
QUOTE]
With the first forty posts you will notice that Jim posted almost half of them defending their position as well.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Does anyone have any screen shots of her charging people for using paypal? If so please post it and I can give it to paypal when I talk to them tonight!!

Thanks Erik

http://www.reptileauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=3551

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/pp_classifieds/showproduct.php?product=17928&sort=1&cat=28&page=2

The ads were located at these two locations. You could ask Alex if he made screen shots before they were deleted. Also, you could see if reptile auction has a way to retrieve them.

This is one of the quotes.

Paypal can be accepted to: [email protected] IF you add in the 4% fee they charge to the total amount of the auction.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

This was her response to charging 4% for the 2.9% fee PayPal charges.

This is completely OFF TOPIC, I shouldn't bother risking my points answering and will not after this. I have made a standard reply if anyone cares to message me about paypal.

 

[EriksReptiles]

http://www.reptileauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=3551

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/pp_classifieds/showproduct.php?product=17928&sort=1&cat=28&page=2

The ads were located at these two locations. You could ask Alex if he made screen shots before they were deleted. Also, you could see if reptile auction has a way to retrieve them.

This is one of the quotes.

Cool! I also have an email where she asked that.... although if anyone does have a screen shot that would be even better!!

Thanks Erik

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Someone of authority (elsewhere) mentioned that if Wendy attempted a chargeback it would be considered stealing, in his eyes. I think the BBB and chargback attempt should be enough to remove any accounts these two have at another site. In my humble opinion. Stating all the Geckos are dead with them being listed on her site should just be enough to send any hesitation out the window.

 

[ambrosemurphy]

Manure huh??? Well yeah, I'd have to agree. Wendy and her mother fit that cow plop to a tee.

Eric came to the BOI with a VALID complaint. He exposed these 2, dare I say, ladies for the pile of manure they are. And I'm sure more complaints will follow. Falsely advertising bearded dragon and rankin crosses as "Pure Colored Rankins" will get some complaints once the buyer realizes that scam. And my favorite one so far. The "blue dragons" on sale for $500.00 The victim of that one is going to get taken good.

I have a feeling as time passes this thread is going to get longer and longer with complaints against them. Or maybe not........ Wendy's going to prison for 22 months right, Jim? Perhaps her mother can turn things around.

Good news for Wendy though. She might make more money in prison then she did while scamming reptile owners.

Oh wait.... I don't think they allow camera crews inside prisons.

OK...I feel the need to add my expanded 2 cents worth here if it helps shed some light on MORE of what this duo is doing/has done...I believe my composite complaint to the Review Board of www.reptileauctions.com listed below says a lot...sorry the embedded photos (obviously retouched) won't post...also have the actual e-mail threads that are quoted in portions below...and yes, I did buy a second HYBRID from them after becoming more educated on the species...they do thrive on companionship and will live at my house as pets...at least two pulled from potential breeding stock!

Hi There~
I am writing to complain about a breeder that is using your auction site to sell hybrid Rankin dragons through total misrepresentation and bold face lies. Her name is Jeanne Best and her moniker is Spokanelizardlady. I am aware that she is rated as a Power Seller and lists quite a few auctions. I can’t speak to the veracity of all of her listings -- just for the 100% Pure Rankins dragon listings. I will provide you with some details and facts related to my dealings with this woman and you can decide for yourself is she is operating in a manner your site wishes to enable and promote…myself and others find it to be unethical to say the least…

To try and make a long story as short as possible:

I am new to Rankins dragons, and when I first saw her ads, I was interested and got in touch with her…she responded and I ended up buying 2 from her. At the time it was tough getting info out of her, but she did tell me how she was producing these animals. Being new to the Rankins, I was very under-educated on what she is doing at the time of purchase…I had questions, but felt good about getting them. After the purchases, I was lucky to hook up with some reputable breeders that helped me get some much needed enlightenment on why these hybrids are not desirable…especially as a breeding project…

Here is my current understanding of what’s what here:

Vittikins were tried years ago and the breeder was shut down…
Long story short, she was breeding Rankins to Beardies and calling the offspring Vittikins…mainly for size reduction, they maxed out somewhere between a Beardie and a Rankin mainly because she stopped with the original cross…the damaging result was that for somebody’s weird idea of a desirable result, the genetic lines of the Rankins were being irreparably corrupted…

Hybrid Rankins that are now showing up are being created by breeding a Rankin with a high color Beardie…that offspring is then bred with a pure Rankin, then that offspring is again bred to a pure Rankin, then that offspring is bred to a pure Rankin, etc. The breeder I know of that is doing this is not being honest in marketing them as hybrids. They believe that after enough generations (5 in the case of the 2 hybrids I have) of being back-bred, that they magically become Rankins again—pure, no less. I’m certainly not a geneticist, but it’s pretty much common sense to see that once the genetics are corrupted, they can’t be repaired by back-breeding even if visual remnants of the cross are gone. Their reason for doing this is to get color in the Rankins. After all that back-breeding to get rid of the Beardie look and body characteristics, let me tell you, there isn’t much color left! Which sure begs the question—WHY DO THIS? Absolutely ridiculous monkeying unnecessarily with good genetic stock…MHO

The big issue here is the need to maintain the very limited pure Rankin genetics. Very few WC bloodlines can/are being introduced, so it’s pretty much what we have is it…this corruption of the genetics for Rankins jeopardizes their future for all to enjoy…and again, FOR WHAT…a slight pale wash that is sometimes present? Now having some pure Rankins to evaluate, I have to say they are MOST desirable as pure and non-hybridized!

The two hybrids I have will remain pets and un-bred…fortunately I hooked up with some quality breeders with integrity who hooked me up with a pure trio to start my Rankin breeding project…I urge all to think long and hard before buying hybrids of this species and enabling the breeder(s) doing it to continue.

Having said all that, I do not approve of the breeding project that Jeanne Best has undertaken here. HOWEVER, my BIGGEST complaint is that she is not standing by what she is doing (I believe because she knows there are MANY herpers out there that do not condone this) and instead misrepresents them as something they are not. Her ads have been modified a great deal from what they were when I first got involved with her, and she continues to compound the lies in an effort to make herself and what she does appear legitimate. Without beating it to death, I will attempt to provide a few snippets that are indicative of what has been going on and is most objectionable with her listings…

*the pics on her current ads are OBVIOUSLY color enhanced and poorly done at that…the actual hybrids are NOWHERE near this colored…
*the current ads have been changed and modified pretty much daily, I believe in response to her “getting wind” of people raising objections…for example, there have been several “leading” questions posted to her listings…most she answered, but then later went back and deleted the Q&A’s from the listing…the only one remaining directly contradicts what she is doing--in an answer to the question of whether or not Beardies and Rankins can be cross bred…she says “Not to her knowledge”, well that is exactly what she is doing to get these hybrid Rankins…pretty scary that she would actually post that blatant denial!
*I went back and modified feedback I left for her to reflect the true situation I had with her…she responded by banning me from bidding on her auctions, then went back in and added a follow-up to my feedback that is infantile and contains more lies contradicting what’s what…
*She offers to prove these dragons are pure Rankin by providing photos of the parents…not the problem here as the great or great-great grandparent is the Bearded dragon and the source of the hybridization…

*Following are some e-mail threads that PROVE that she is lying now in her representation and marketing of these hybrids on your website. Please read from the bottom up by thread section:

Basically, yes.

Thanks so much,
Jeane Best
SpokaneLizardLady on www.reptileauctions.com
Specializing in High End Colored Morph Bearded Dragon!
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Schneider
To: 'Jeane Best'
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: Rankin female auction.../Drankins

Hi~
Thanks for your speedy and informative response…very interesting and lots to think about!
So, please let me know if I understand…

Rankin+Beardie=Drankin
Drankin+Rankin=less Drankin
Less Drankin+Rankin=even less Drankin

If that is the process, how many generations out before you consider the hybrid a Rankin again?
I see what you mean about the heads of the males in the comparison photo, but probably because you drew my attention to it

A few more questions:
* is the female I am getting a result of this process? In other words, basically any Rankin with unusual coloring has come from this process?
* in your opinion, what would constitute the “best” mate for her in the future…a normal Rankin? If you were keeping her, how would you plan to breed her since she is a cool “pink”?
* What is the price of the Drankin male?

Thanks for your patience and information~
Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeane Best [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:06 PM
To: Barry Schneider
Subject: Re: Rankin female auction...

I have no unrelated males at this time. I have related by mother, and in the incubator, related by father. We have yellow unrelated that will be laid in a week and unavailable till at least 6 wks old.
I have one Drankin. To make a long story short. In order to get color you breed in colored beardies, then you breed the bearded back out and have a colored rankin.
I bought a colored rankin. Male yellow. But he is not all the way breed back out. I can tell from always dealing in them. Most people would never know with him. But I would say he is still 10% bearded dragon. His head is a little off. Otherwise he is all rankin.Body, pattern, everything perfect! One more breed from him with a pure rankin and you would have yellow rankins.
Here are his pics. Also beside a full male rankin to compare. He is ready to breed.About 1 to 1.5 months!

Let me know if you decide to add him to your order.
Thanks so much,
Jeane Best
SpokaneLizardLady on www.reptileauctions.com
Specializing in High End Colored Morph Bearded Dragon!
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Schneider
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:43 PM
Subject: Rankin female auction...

Hi Jeane~
I won the auction for the “pink” Rankins Dragon female J
We also exchanged a few e-mails a couple of weeks ago about what you have/will have available.
I have no problem paying now via PayPal (+4% fee) or Money Order for the Rankin I won…it sure would be great if we could combine shipping though if you have anything else available at this time that I’m interested in:
Unrelated male Rankins Dragon ?
Drankins? (you mentioned them…I assume they are a Beardie/Rankin cross?)

Anyway, before I pay and arrange shipment, was hoping to hear what/if anything else you have available now or soon…pics would be great!

I am interested in the Rankins especially, but also am intrigued by the “drankins”…any info on them would be much appreciated…

Thanks much~
Barry Schneider
Denver, CO


*MORE DETAIL

Hi Barry, Glad to her that Rizzo is doing so well. Great name by the way!
The male that is listed is not the one I sent you. And nope, he isn't related either. He is the first of our new yellow line. They are growing like weeds. I was able to get them selling 3 weeks earlier than I expected. He is smaller though than your girl. Not a lot, but a bit.
Your and this yellow one are our first batches for sale. They are 5 generations after the initial color cross with a normal BD. I am sure you have heard all opinions from one end to the next. Us too But to heck with them. They are darn cute. There is much we don't agree with.....like line breeding. 60% of the breeders do that. So we all have opinions. I see their point though.
We will have normals available is about 10 weeks. We have 8 breeding pairs of them. Only 2 each of the colors. They should be hatching any day !

Thanks so much,
Jeane Best & Wendy Childs

Specializing in high color morph Bearded Dragons & Rankin Dragons (Sandfire, Blood, Hypomalonistic, Citrus, Desert Red, & CaramelScotch).
Panther Chameleons (Nosey Be, Amblobie, Tamative, Ambanja,& Sambavas).
Veiled Chameleons ( Orange Sunburst & Blue Phase).
Leopard Geckos ( Mack Snows, Jungle, & Bold Stripe).

DragonLady99212 - KingSnake.com
SpokaneLizardLady - ReptileAuctions.com
DragonLady509 - Ebay.com
DragonLady509 - GunBroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Schneider
To: 'Jeane Best'
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Rankin Update...

Hi Jeane~

Been meaning to get back to you with an update on the female Rankin I got from you…she is doing great and is a delight to have! Took her a few days to settle in, but is eating and pooping well J She also has gained 2 grams since arriving! Glad it all worked out so well!

I also wanted to ask if the Yellow male you have listed on Reptile Auction is the one you had e-mailed me about? If he is not related to Rizzo (after Stockard Channing’s character in Grease as head of the “Pink Ladies”…LOL), then I have changed my mind and am interested in him as a mate for Rizzo.

Since I hooked up with you, I have also hooked up with some other Rankin breeders…have been having quite the “debate” over the pros/cons of hybridizing…still not sure where I stand in regard to Rankins, but understand where you are coming from and what you are doing. As such, I have decided another hybrid would probably be the “best mate” for Rizzo. As I’m sure you know there is a limited availability of these wonderful critters, so choices are limited. I am planning on getting an unrelated trio of pure Rankins from two other breeders to start a project with them also…

Anyway, was wondering if you thought this yellow fellow would be a good match with Rizzo and if he’s still available…I can bid on him like before, no problem…just want to be sure of compatability first…I would also be interested in knowing how many generations back from the Rankin/Bearded cross these two are…just so I know what I have to work with…

Thanks much~
Barry Schneider
Denver, CO



*AND MORE DETAIL

Ok Barry, what a project. I have never had so many problem. LOL. I looked looked again, triple checked sizes, body parts. They are all playing tricks on me today. Here is the only suitable male I came up with that is in the pink/peach family and is for sure a male and big enough to go out.
His all over body is not as pink as yours, but his bows are bright peach. He is a cross between one like yours and a normal. Try as I might I couldn’t get a good pic of him. I tried 2 different backgrounds and even put him next to a normal full grown male to compare. You'll have to trust me on this that he is prettier in person. Today is not my day or his for photos.
I marked his little toshie so he cant go hide on me now in case you want him


Thanks so much,
Jeane Best & Wendy Childs

Specializing in high color morph Bearded Dragons & Rankin Dragons (Sandfire, Blood, Hypomalonistic, Citrus, Desert Red, & CaramelScotch).
Panther Chameleons (Nosey Be, Amblobie, Tamative, Ambanja,& Sambavas).
Veiled Chameleons ( Orange Sunburst & Blue Phase).
Leopard Geckos ( Mack Snows, Jungle, & Bold Stripe).

DragonLady99212 - KingSnake.com
SpokaneLizardLady - ReptileAuctions.com
DragonLady509 - Ebay.com
DragonLady509 - GunBroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Schneider
To: 'Jeane Best'
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: Rankin Update.../unrelated male

I agree, could be risky on the color mix…would like to see some pics of what you have available in unrelated males…both yours (peach highlights) and those from your girlfriend’s clutch (are they normal or colors?)…would like to get at least a mate for Roxie at this point J
Thanks much~
Barry




-----Original Message-----
From: Jeane Best [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:45 PM
To: Barry Schneider
Subject: Re: Rankin Update...

Oh, I missed the last part. If you want to breed the 2? No I think it isn't a good match. I have no idea what color youd end up with. Youd hope for 1/2 and 1/2 but if it mixes it might not be cute. I think I have a few unrelated males . They just have the peach highlights. No real body pink. My girlfriend who bought a pair decided not to keep the clutch last week. She wants them sold. I have them here. Let me know if you are interested in one of them. I can send pics.
Thanks so much,
Jeane Best & Wendy Childs

Specializing in high color morph Bearded Dragons & Rankin Dragons (Sandfire, Blood, Hypomalonistic, Citrus, Desert Red, & CaramelScotch).
Panther Chameleons (Nosey Be, Amblobie, Tamative, Ambanja,& Sambavas).
Veiled Chameleons ( Orange Sunburst & Blue Phase).
Leopard Geckos ( Mack Snows, Jungle, & Bold Stripe).

DragonLady99212 - KingSnake.com
SpokaneLizardLady - ReptileAuctions.com
DragonLady509 - Ebay.com
DragonLady509 - GunBroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Schneider
To: 'Jeane Best'
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Rankin Update...

Hi Jeane~

Been meaning to get back to you with an update on the female Rankin I got from you…she is doing great and is a delight to have! Took her a few days to settle in, but is eating and pooping well J She also has gained 2 grams since arriving! Glad it all worked out so well!

I also wanted to ask if the Yellow male you have listed on Reptile Auction is the one you had e-mailed me about? If he is not related to Rizzo (after Stockard Channing’s character in Grease as head of the “Pink Ladies”…LOL), then I have changed my mind and am interested in him as a mate for Rizzo.

Since I hooked up with you, I have also hooked up with some other Rankin breeders…have been having quite the “debate” over the pros/cons of hybridizing…still not sure where I stand in regard to Rankins, but understand where you are coming from and what you are doing. As such, I have decided another hybrid would probably be the “best mate” for Rizzo. As I’m sure you know there is a limited availability of these wonderful critters, so choices are limited. I am planning on getting an unrelated trio of pure Rankins from two other breeders to start a project with them also…

Anyway, was wondering if you thought this yellow fellow would be a good match with Rizzo and if he’s still available…I can bid on him like before, no problem…just want to be sure of compatability first…I would also be interested in knowing how many generations back from the Rankin/Bearded cross these two are…just so I know what I have to work with…

Thanks much~
Barry Schneider
Denver, CO




I could go on and on, but think I have provided enough info in her own words to blatantly dispute what she now is posting as fact…as I said, I was very under-educated at the time on Rankins, and for that I am now sorry. I will say that the hybrid dragons I got from her seem healthy and active. I guess my big complaint here is the lying and misrepresentation…I don’t think that is serving your website well or the customers that utilize your service…I can’t stop her from breeding in this manner and don’t think you can either…what I do think should be done and respectfully ask that you do is sanction and/or ban her from listing these animals in this way…not sure how you do that, but felt I needed to bring the situation to your attention…

I would be happy to provide you with any more info you might find helpful in accomplishing that end…

Thanks much for listening to my complaint…look forward to hearing from you regarding this situation…

Barry Schneider
Denver, CO

 

[ambrosemurphy]

Cool! I also have an email where she asked that.... although if anyone does have a screen shot that would be even better!!

Thanks Erik

Erik~
Unfortunately it was AFTER I had my involvement with the Jeanne/Wendy duo that I started taking screen shots and filing them of ALL ads I respond to and also post...a bit "paranoid" perhaps, but sure nice to have at times like this
Barry

 

[ambrosemurphy]

Erik~
Unfortunately it was AFTER I had my involvement with the Jeanne/Wendy duo that I started taking screen shots and filing them of ALL ads I respond to and also post...a bit "paranoid" perhaps, but sure nice to have at times like this
Barry

OK...guess I'm better at file management than I thought--found a listing I had saved...unfortunately have it saved as a Word doc, so am trying to post it as an attachment...not sure how those come through...sorry if it doesn't...will send to you direct also Erik...

 

[Chameleon Company]

Dennis,
Nice to see you still have the fixation. Too bad you can't fix that truth problem thing you left hanging. Folks, Dennis is on the "Will not call list" too. That's 4 "will not call", and 9 "did call". Some of the "littlest" girls have the biggest balls, and the "biggest" men have no balls ! No surprise.

Speaking of which, I do thank one of the above posters for their call today. It was a good talk. You have my permission should you choose to post any recollections of the conversation. You are under no obligation.

John, I am aligned with myself and my family and my God. Wendy and Jeane are not in my family. Nor am I aligned with you. But who reads anyway.

To all who feel that they have been scammed, involved in chargebacks, etc. I had a good talk with two different frequent BOI posters today. One also does a higher volume than most all in this thread except me. Within the three of us, we have never been involved in a PayPal dispute or chargeback. We have had problems to solve, for sure. We laughed as we are ignorant to the mechanisms of such. We are proud of that too.

I have tried to approach this thread as an issue of protocols in a seller/buyer contract when money has changed hands. I am not a spiritual or financial advisor. If there is a history of disputes, chargebacks, etc., your "buyer/seller beware" alarm should be on high alert. There is no excuse for a high level of such incidence. It means be smart.

Lastly, I was disappointed at the BBB report, and its text. I hold fast to my telling Erik "what goes around, comes around". Once you start a war, the opponent does not always do what you want them to do, but rather more what you do not want them to do. If I was a tit-for-tat buyer or seller, I would have a few of those chargebacks that I have avoided. I do not know if it can be amended, or deleted. My belief is that is should not have been filed, or if filed, been accurate to the letter. I did make a call. My influence is not as some here have wished, but I will try.

Lastly. Erik, I know that you sent Jeane an email requesting she address this. I understand your anxiety over this. I do get a little bothered at written inaccuracies about myself as well, eh Dennis ? Sammy ? etc ? I can't speak for either Jeane or Wendy, as they have to manage that for themselves. But, I believe it was several weeks ago when you ignored Jeane's calls to you, requesting you call her, by your own posts. Ironic. Chargeback entanglements and disputes can be avoided with a high degree of proficiency. You can still be effective if your hope is to warn others, etc.

Dennis, I'll still be answering my phone tomorrow in the event you find some culliones overnight.

 

[VanZwedenReptiles]

Well Wendy sure has some nerve,you know she must have learned all this from her Momma .How do you fell Jeane You have just won.! Pimp of the year Award.Man Erik I feel very bad for you this has to be very stressfull to say the least..From what i see ,she doesn't have a leg to stand on

Greg VanZweden
http://www.vanzwedenreptiles.com/

Forever Trust in what You Are and Nothing Else Matters

 

[kmurphy]

Here are some things I Google, I'm not an attorney:

Defamation

Defamation, sometimes called "defamation of character", is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.
If a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. Slander and libel are two forms of defamation.

Libel

Libel is a written defamation. Generally, radio and television broadcasts that are defamatory are considered to be libel, rather than slander.

Damages

If you have been defamed you may seek both actual damages, to recover the harm that you have suffered, and punitive damages to punish the person who made the remark (and serve as an example to deter others).

If the defamation improperly accused you of a crime or reflected on your profession, the Court or jury can assess the damages. For other types of defamation you must prove some actual damage to be able to recover.

 

[Gecko_Den]

Unfortunately, libel and slander are two of the hardest cases to prove and win, unless you are some hot shot celebrity or public figure it's almost not worth the effort to pursue. That being said, if you are so inclined, I would at a minimum discuss it with an attorney.

 

[repfriend]

Libel and slander are hard cases to prove and win BECAUSE they are hard to prove.

However, this case it is a slam dunk. Wendy outright lied about Scott, and obviously did so in order to hurt Erics business and name.

How to prove? Well, the BBB report is one thing, and screenshots of her posts, website, ads are another.

There is definite proof in this case. Slam dunk.

Looks like that piece of whatchamighcallit is going down already, anyhow. But I would still pursue, with informing paypal, authorities, reptile community, libel charges, etc etc.

This hobby doesn't need this kind of scum.

 

[EriksReptiles]

Hey, I just thought that I would let everyone know that Pay-pal ruled the case in my favor and gave me back my money. (they put the money on hold until they reach a decision.)

Thanks for all the support guys!

Thanks Erik

 

[Wilomn]

Glad to hear it. It's a shame you had to go through it but I am glad you stuck it out.

Good job.

 

[ambrosemurphy]

Hey, I just thought that I would let everyone know that Pay-pal ruled the case in my favor and gave me back my money. (they put the money on hold until they reach a decision.)

Thanks for all the support guys!

Thanks Erik

Wow Erik, that is SUPER news!
Glad you stuck it out and that justice prevailed!!
See you tomorrow at the Mart...
Barry

 

[Cat_72]

So glad to hear that Erik!!! It's too bad you had to go through hell and back just to get it.......but at least you got it.

 

[timbo08]

Great new

That is awsome Erick. Good for you!

How is the BBB claim going?