Beware of Jeremy Heikel

[Bringerofdoom]

the more i think of this it is pursuable in a court of law. cause the lineage is a form of a pedigree, basic but to reptile owners its the only thing close to it.

case in point: my girlfriends parents owned one purebred jack russel male with papers. they found another person selling a jack russel female with papers. they got it for $200 , brought it home and started looking at this "pedigree form" they called me to look at it. turns out said pedigree form is a mail in form out of a magzine for a pedigree that they just fill out to get.

the problem to this is that anyone could get a pedigree for anything. the person even neglected to mail the form in to get it. this was the only paperwork available. the dog tho it looked like a jack russel in someways, is disqualified by the JRTCA (jack russel club of america) this is a place that has high standards. only the best of the best can be registered there only after proper things meet. thier male is registered to this

so needless to say the jack russell they bought to breed was a mutt and worthless to them. they tried numerous times to contact the lady to get their money back, but she pulled the all sales final crap. they eventually took her to court and won the case.


there should be someway you can get justice. not only has he missrepresented the color, but also the lineage. is there anyway you can go over him and contact daichu? he is indeed misrepresenting their breeds, maybe daichu has heard of him from other people he has ran scams on.

 

[Neverland Dragons]

I actually did email Vicki at Dachiu. She said if I can get the name of the person who bought the dragon and month/year she could verify the bloodline. She said that they keep records 5 years back for just this purpose. I have faxed alot of information to my visa company and I think I have a good chance of getting my money back through the dispute. He misrepresented her in several areas. Additionally, he did not state that he had an all sales are final policy. It has to be in writing before the sale. He did not indicate that in any of our email correspondance. He did say initially in email that he did not have the bloodline info. Then in my conversation with him he said he could get it for me. This has been a huge learning experience for me. Both on future purchases and also how I am going to set up my breeding program. I am a firm believer that what comes around goes around and he will eventually get what is coming to him. I am just glad that I have had the support of breeders like Jen at Kakadu and Matt at Mystical Dragons. They have been awesome. I will post as soon as I hear anything from my visa company.

Wendy Thomas

 

[Bringerofdoom]

i dont know how much this helps but i was noticing something. i was toying with colors, i took them both to the same different color to see differences. im doubting the BD in the picture is even the one you have, reguardless if he doctored the photo. i think he stole the photo from someone else. here is why

in the top pic you clearly see a X branded into the back of its head, zoom with any program (its perfectly shaped). the bottom pic doesnt have this.... the bottom pic also has a white part in its tail. the top pic doesnt show this. also most darkest in the middle section where most of the editing took place while the tail and head are lighter. you can also see all this in the unedited pictures too. but even when you compare them at the same color they dont look to be the same dragon. maybe one from the same clutch ie: the guy stole a pic of a hold back, but yet sold you a cheap pet quality one from that batch.

if this is the same dragon it would have to be several years older for that X to be worn off in sheds.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

closeups of this uniqe X for those who dont feel like checking it out themselves

jeremy's pic

NcBeardies

not the same to me, hopes this helps some.

 

[Kakadu]

New pics today. This is the best her color ever got.

 

[Lynn]

I am so sorry this had to happen to you. It is people like that who make it hard for the honest breeders who really care about the reptiles they breed and sell. There is NO excuse for this..I do believe when it comes right down to it..A PERSON IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORD. When I give my word I try to stick to it.

Example....About 7 months ago I sold a pair of dragons as a girl and boy... OPPPS .. 7 months later they both turned out to be boys..What is the right thing to do...Do I give him a 2 month old female to raise?? NO.... I replaced the male with a female of the same size as his male he kept. Yes I lost about 300.00 on the deal as the female replacement was a holdback I saved for my future breeding... BUT it was the right thing to do.. I made the mistake..

Bottom Line.. He needs to send the dragon you paid for......

 

[tim5580]

Way to distinguish color

I don't know if this helps you now, but sometimes I see ads where people take a picture of the animal on a $20 bill or with soda bottles so you can see that that the colors of the picture haven't been altered. I guess you could still change it in photoshop but it seems like it would be a big pain in the ass.

 

[Kakadu]

yeah, I have started taking pictures on sharpies so that people can see the colors. When buying a dragon from now on I think everyone should ask for some kind of color checker in the background.

 

[Kakadu]

yeah, I have started taking pictures on sharpies so that people can see the colors. When buying a dragon from now on I think everyone should ask for some kind of color checker in the background.

 

[Kakadu]

I though I would link this thread to another complaint thread on Jermey where he actually has responded:

http://www.reptiforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1633#post1633

 

[Bringerofdoom]

The solid proof.

ok i proved this on reptiforum, but i feel it needs posted here as well along with a explanation.

http://www.faliastx.com/wendy/1108157072.jpg
thats jeremy's picture undisturbed

http://bongs4ever.reallysucks.com/betterjeremydragon.jpg
this is his picture with the red channel tweak 2x more. notice the similarities the 2 show? (discoloration on head and leg, the effect was applied to the entire beardie yet those didnt color up....)

when you tweak the channels colors between black and white remain virtually untouched. the rest match to the tone of the color. to show you what i mean ill flip the red channel

http://bongs4ever.reallysucks.com/greenbeardie.jpg

see even if the color gets completly flipped it still looks kind of real (purposly made it neon green).

you may wonder how much time this took? it only took me 6 mins, with a basic free trial editing program. i also have carpal tunnel at that. if i would have spent my time i could have done it with no errors. unlike jeremy though i didnt have $500 riding on a good scam job....

i still feel sorry for wendy, because of tim.

 

[Neverland Dragons]

Even if Jeremy did not retouch the photo, which maybe he didn't, who knows.... He clearly took a picture that made her colors look more favorable than they were. I am still in the disputing process with visa. I am not counting on things working out. The girl is now brumating. If I end up not getting my money back I will have to sell her at a loss. I can't in good conscience breed her. I can't believe any thing Jeremy said and he never came through with any bloodline info. I believe what comes around goes around and he will get what he deserves. I feel that she was not well taken care of. When I got her she weighed 350 grams. Within a month I had her up to 487 grams. At 14 months of age, she should not have gained that much weight so quickly. So I will consider her a rescue and I know where ever she ends up she will be better off.

Wendy Thomas

 

[W.Wedeking]

for what it is worth

I don't know either party here however, when I looked at the pictures what I saw was:
In the first picture was a well heated dragon that had just shed.
In the second picture was the same dragon cold and about to shed (very obvious about the feet and ankles).

Just my observation.

 

[Neverland Dragons]

It may look like it, but that is not the case. He told me she had just shed her back before he sent her. The only part she had left to shed were her legs. They shed out and she still never showed the orange color represented in the picture. I took the picture after she had been basking. Lighting and a flash can do alot to make a dragon look brighter than they are. Thanks for taking the time to post.

Wendy Thomas

 

[Kakadu]

Jeremy is just a bad guy there is no way around it. Wendy would have paid all the sipping costs and everything to get this dragon back to him, and 100 grams HEAVIER. She would have even accepted this female and given up if Jermey had not lied about the bloodlines. Wendy is NOT an irresponsible breeder that will just throw any two dragons together without knowing the bloodline.

Jeremy has lied about the bloodline he tried to represent as being from Matt's line. He has LIED about the bloodline of the dragon he sold to Wendy. If "his friend" got the dragon from the Dachius then all he has to do is call or e-mail the Dachius and they have said they are very willing to look up the bloodlines IMMEDIATLY. Jeremy knows this dragon is not from the Dachius, that is why he is not providing it.

This thread is a warning that this guy is making up bloodlines and misrepresenting color. It is a WARNING to people to beware of this seller.

If you want to see a thread that Jeremy responed to please check here: http://www.reptiforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=400&page=1&pp=10

 

[Kakadu]

Here is what is going on in the other forum:

Jeremy's post:
I felt I had to try and stand up for myself on this one. Wendy purchased this dragon from me for 500$. This is exactly what I paid for it. As you can see from the top picture she is a beautiful dragon. I told Wendy that she was in shed when I sent her and she would brighten up. Wendy actually sent me numerous e-mails proclaiming her pleasure with this bearded dragon. First she e-mailed me saying that she is eating very well, and she is very healthy, and later e-mailed me and stated that her colors were starting to show up. I believe those pictures were taken after being shipped in mid shed. Of course she isn't going to be in great coloration right now. This is a case of a novice entering a buisness that she knows very little about. In the past few years I have not recieved a single complaint, not to mention someone that would insult me the way this lady is doing. Wendy e-mailed me and asked me not to call her house to talk about this, and I listened. I take great pride in what I do, and I will be damned if I let some lady walk all over me. I have rights as a dealer to. It has been close to three weeks since I sent that dragon. If the community doesn't like it then I appoligize. I am sure that I have done buisness with half of you in the past. No refund will be provided. Wendy "Ruby" is going to color up for you, and you are going to be very pleased with her. If anyone has any questions or comments please feel free to e-mail me my address is [email protected]
Thanks for taking the time to read this Jeremy

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Wendy's Post:
This is not the case of a novice not knowing the girl is in shed. She is fully shed and is no where near the color in the picture emailed to me. Yes, she did color up some. She is healthy and is eating great. I believe that you used lighting to manipulate her color in the picture. She is not the bright orange you showed in the picture. You did misrepresent her when you sold her to me. I have been working with Jen from Kakadu Dragons to obtain my stock and she also feels you misrepresented this dragon you sold. Yes, Ruby is a nice dragon, but she is not the awesome color you sent in the picture. I have had her almost 2 weeks. She has had supplements, uvb, 110 basking, silkworms, butterworms, crickets, superworms, mustard greens, sweet potatoes, butternut squash and pellets. I have given her warm baths. She is not going to get any brighter. She is not in shed. You gave me so much misinformation that I really can't believe anything you say. You are obviously going to have a problem when the picture you send somebody does not match that of the animal you ship. There is also the fact that when I talked to you on the phone, I asked for bloodline information and you said you would get it. Yes, you had said you were getting it over and over and never came through. I have spoken with Vicki at Dachui and she said that they keep records 5 years back so all I need is the name of who purchased her. I could not in good conscience breed this girl without bloodlind information. You seem to have a problem with your facts and I do not feel that any information that you gave me is credible.

Wendy Thomas

and a new picture



Jeremy's Post:
Okay Wendy she is starting to color up. The difference in the color is very notable. There were not any special lights used, no secret budist monk tricks it was just Ruby. I am glad to hear you are taking such good care of her, and she looks to be doing great. Here color is comming slowly but surely. She is going to make you very proud soon. I have contacted the person I purchased her from numerouse times and he has not returned my phone calls. I got in contact with him recentl and he told me he would be finding out the bloodline and be getting me some pics of the parents. I am doing all I can. After she colors back up I want a full appoligy posted on here by you. Agian to the community watch this post about me being a fraud. This one is going to have a great ending. She will either stop posting remarks on here, or she will admit that she was wrong. If you know anything about lights in pictures you would know that they would show up in the glass, which is clearly not the case. My thanks to Jen in helping you with this matter, she has some awsome dragons, and seems to be a great person. Once again Wendy have a great evening, and take care Jeremy......

 

[Kakadu]

Here is her "starting to color up" as Jeremy says. Do you think she is coloring up?:

Here is what she is supposed to look like, just a refresher in case you forgot. This is the Picture Jeremy sent to sell her with:

Ok, so your thinking maybe Wendy just takes bad pictures. Here is a picture of the dragon I sold her in the same lighting with the same camera:

Here is the male she got from Mystical Dragons, again, SAME camera:

Here is what BOD managed to do with Jeremy's picture by changing colors. It proves that the sand color doesn't mean anything:

But even with this, lets remember that the dragon could be the best colored in the world but is WORTHLESS in such an inbred species as bearded dragons WITHOUT BLOODLINES.

 

[Kakadu]

So back to the other forum, here is what I posted to Jeremy:
Jermey, I thank you for your compliments on my dragons, but what you are saying here is simply not true. First, Wendy only needs the name of the person you got the dragon from, and she can have Dachiu look up the info. OR you can call the Dachius with the name, and they can forward the info to Wendy. They have already said they are happy to do it. You have been told this many times by Wendy. IF she was Truely from Dachiu, you could have dealt with this with one phone call.

Secondly, in selling hundreds of dragons over the years, and of photographing them (I have taken an individual picture of every single dragon I have ever sold) I know how lights, colors, and cameras work. I also have shipped HUNDREDS of animals of various ages, and work heavily with rescues in the off season when there are no babies. There are no dragons that take over a week to color up. When dragons get shipped 95% of the time they are showing thier best color asleep in the box. I have recieved many dragons, and this is almost always the case. If not, by the time they are settled and eating well they are showing their colors. It takes a day, maybe two at most. If you have not seen the colors in the course of basking, being misted, given a bath, eating ect. in two days, then they are not there (unless the dragon is in shed of course). But you sent Wendy an e-mail saying that she had just shed out.

But, color is certainly hard to repersent in photos. I have photos that sometimes come out too well, but I always tell the customer if I think a photo is being to nice to a dragon's color. I take pictures on white or very plain backgrounds, and I often put familiar objects in the pictures so the buyer can see how the camera changes the colors.

If it was just the color, I am positive that Wendy would not have had any problem. It has been your dismissive and at times insulting treatment of her requests for bloodline information. You just keep using the friend excuse and pretend not to hear that DACHIU has records, we only need the NAME. You have said multiple times your friend bought her straight from Dachiu.

She is also missing 100g of weight from what she was advertised as, and this is verified by the vet I believe for the credit card companies.

And there is also that little thing with Mystical Dragons, where you were lying about a dragon being from Matt's stock. And when Matt was told that you were saying this dragon was from his lines he informed you that his lines have only existed for a few months, and this much older dragon was not from his lines, all his babies are still juvis. And so you said that you bought it at a reptile show, and that is what you you were told. But at the time you said you bought this dragon from the show Mystical Dragons had not been created. It was just a possibility floating around in Matt's head. So this vender at this show looked into the future to lie about the dragons bloodlines.

Bloodlines are very important to Wendy. She can not breed this dragon because she does not know where it is from. She can not take your word for anything because you have made up bloodline info before, obviously not knowing how devastating inbreeding can be. She also bought this dragon to breed. Breeding is very hard on a dragon's body, and proper care is a must. She can not longer feel certain that this dragons care has been what you described it as, especially shince she has gained (Wendy needs to verify this I can't remember the numbers) around 10-15g in ths short time she has been there. That rapid weight gain is an indication that the dragon was not getting enough nutrients before. Again, I don't remember the exact gain, but I am sure Wendy will verify.

Wendy only wants to breed the very best stock. She does not want to breed just any dragon that is breedable. She is willing to breed a dragon with the color in the pictures you sent, from Dachiu bloodlines with verification, at a proper weight (350g at 18 months is extremely small), and only breed dragons that are at the peak of health.

What she has is a dragon with some color (nothing exceptional), no pedigree, no verification of age, no guaranteee this dragon isn't a worn out breeder, no guarantee this dragon has been well cared for, and no support or help from you.

This dragon certainly is not worth $500. With the total lack of information and the lack of color this dragon could maybe get $200, and only because she is a full grown female, if she was accuratly represented.




And here is his response:

So if you look at the pictures that you posted 3 days ago and look at the pictures you posted yesterday I would have to say she is starting to color up. I am through discussing this with you. You have a kick ass dragon... And are going to make tons of money breeding her. So either in good concience or not, if you decide not to breed her it is your own fault. I just want the community to take a look at all of this, and beware of Wendy purchasing from you. I am starting a new thread as a complaint on you. Jen thanks again for your concern in this matter, Ruby is a hot looking dragon... She is coloring up more and more everyday. This is the last time I will respond to this thread. The dragon is coloring up the difference in the two "horrible" pictures she posted are like night and day. Jen will you do me a favor and when Ruby is completly colored up post on here that you 2 were making false acusations about me. I did not rip this lady off. I sold her to Wendy for what I paid for her. I recieved the money and shipped, end of story. I still have the e-mails where she told me she was healthy, and that her colors "were really starting to show." So there is no longer a debate. Wendy got what she paid for. An awsome dragon. That dragon will do nothing but get more colorful. There are e-mails on here that state that she is the same dragon and I believe you said that their were not any "special lightings" used. And as far as background she is on sand for crying out loud. How is that going to alter the color of a dragon. I am still working on the bloodline info. I will not involve another person in this with Wendy. You two take care and give me some credit when she colors up please. Thanks Jeremy

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SO I RESPONDED:
Once again, she is not coloring up, that is just her fired up color. Its the best she gets. It is better then the first pic, but it is not a process that is imroving over time. It is the best color that she gets. She has a daily range or color like all dragons, that is her most colorful. Wendy, feeling that she needs to be fair posted the new picture because it is better then the first, but NOT $500. This was to be fair to you, it is not evidence that she is coloring up.

BUT COLOR TOTALLY ASIDE:

AGAIN, Wendy would probably have been ok with the color, but she WILL NOT EVER breed a dragon without the bloodline info. To even suggest that she should breed a dragon without knowing its heritage is HORRIBLY irresponsible in this already inbred species. Wendy, unlike most, is NOT breeding dragons for money. She is hoping to improve the stock in the United States because what is happening to our genetic here is awful. SHE CAN NOT BREED THIS DRAGON. She will never put her desire to breed an animal over the health of an animal. This dragon has gained a LOT of weight in the short 2 weeks she has owned her, this shows that she had not been getting the care you promised. So, even with her bloodline she can not be bred for 6 months because she needs so much care.


SHE IS 100 GRAMS LESS THEN YOU ADVERTISED HER AS.

If you are really trying to help you need to stop pretending to hear this:

DACHIU CAN LOOK UP THE PEDIGREE OF ALL ANIMALS THEY HAVE SOLD JUST WITH THE NAME OF THE BUYER. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL AND THEY SAID THEY ARE GLAD TO HELP.

The truth is she is not from there and there is no freind. How can you say Wendy got what she paid for.

The dragon is not from Dachiu.
The dragon is NOT the color you described and sent a picture of.
This dragons is VERY underweight for an adult dragon.
This dragon is 100 grams less then you advertised her as.

If you provide her pedigree from Dachiu, the dragon turns out to be in shed (because that is the only way to justify this color difference), and you refund Wendy $150 to account for the weight difference then I will say you are doing the right thing.

Wendy is not trying to take advantage of she. She has told you that she will return the dragon and pay ALL shipping costs, and you get an animal back that is in even better weight and condition then when it left. If it really such a nice dragon, then you should have no problem reselling it. Wendy on the other hans could never get $500 for it because she would represent it HONESTLY which lowers its value to about $200-$250 on a good day.

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To which he replied:

This is your opinion. Good luck there will be no refunds. Jeremy

So once again I tried to point out the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS:
These are facts.

You have not provided the bloodline information that was promised. The dragon is 100 grams lighter then you represented her being.

Dachiu says call anytime and they will LOVE to look up the info for you, no problem whatsoever. You only need to make a SINGLE phone call, and the information is available.

We are tired of you avoiding these FACTS.

The color can be opinion (though it is an obvious misrepresentation), but these are FACTS.

Visa is looking into the charge back as we speak.

Buyers beware of this seller. He does not sell quality animals and he DOES NOT STAND BEHIND HIS ANIMALS.

 

[Kakadu]

Updated Picture Of Ruby

New picture to update her "coloring up"

First the old pic that Jeremy sent Wendy of her:

And the New PIC from yesterday:

 

[CheriS]

A 350 gram dragon is NOT breeder quality, she should NEVER be breed, never sold as breeder quality......I don't care what color she is.

She is a pet quality dragon, no matter what color she is and as such is worth about $200 max as a full grown adult. She does not have a value as a breeder and Jeremy, stating she is going to make a ton of money off babies is just dumb, this dragon should not ever be breed.

If she was 450 grams, knowing you can put some weight on them and in the first picture she does look thin, then MAYBE she might have been potential breeder quality... but not what she is.