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Bad Guy Beware of Panther Company

James -- my point was about the way Rob Nichols and Rob Clark sent messages trying to make sure I would not confirm it looked like a preexisting problem -- which I think is quite shady but apparently you have no issue with. Also, so no one reading this gets the wrong impression, it is worth clarifying that you are not an experienced breeder. You've still not hatched out a single clutch. I'm not going to attack your husbandry, but I do wish you better luck with your current animals than with the male you got from Rob. Your new Faly looks very nice.
 
Panther Company just admit that he knew what he was doing when he send me the Nosy Faly. It wasn't a mistake. He knew exactly what he was doing. If I didnt know about it or if i didnt find out, then they would have gotten away with it. THIS IS what this thread is about and YOU just admit you knew what you were doing.
 
Josh you live in a dream world an are just babbling now deflecting from the topics at hand if you wanna make your own boi thread bout me or rob or anyone else your free to do so but this BOI thread is all about you an you dirty tricks an lies your putting on the rest of the cham community.. this thread is about you josh not me or rob c. Josh you are out right lying to people here , its the same thing I said months ago was goin to happen coming home to roost in your yard =, no one elses just you an your shady company ways. you can babble about how you refunded"bought off" others but ya still not answering the things others wanna know your side tracking
 
Panther Company said:
Again, it's not typical for $100+ credits because of minor temporary aesthetic problem.

If taking screenshots wasn't such a pain, I'd show the ones from Rob Nichols messaging me frantically to make sure I wouldn't tell James Raymond that I thought the animal Rob Clark sent him had a preexisting injury (which it looked like).
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Hopefully this helps :)
 
Josh you have been doing this 1 year longer than I. It was quite upsetting eye ointment caused him to have kidney failure. Which I had confirmed by the vet as an side effect if ointment was consumed.
All these matters your bring up has nothing to do with the matter.
You lied to lam do. You lied to me saying an "ambanja" proved out your faly clutch. I admit I wanted one until facts came fourth and I opened my eyes and saw your deception. The point being you lie to your consumers. And give false lineage to sell you chameleons.
 
Lam, you should re-read my very first post on this thread if that's all you were looking for. I said I don't refute anything in the screenshots, and more or less agreed with the narrative Shauna wrote out, with some corrections/info that she wasn't privy to.
 
jishillencik said:
It has been well over a day since the last post and several things still need to be addressed:

1) Does Panther Company have proof that customers with questionable lines have been notified of their mistake and not mislead??

2) Panther Company has yet to answer Lam Do's question that directly followed the quoted text

3) Has Panther Company any proof that they tried to contact the third party (or any other parties) to verify the lineage on the "Grimbold" females they purchased??

4) Why did Panther Company delete a single for sale ad (one that could potentially be viewed as evidence) and not other ads that were obviously priced to move from around the same time frame??

Panther Company has however provided baseless conjecture and a skillful demonstartion of manipulating the English language. (Fact)

Kudos.
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Now that I have provided you with two sites (one for windows one for mac), please attach screenshots to provide answers to my questions as well as any accusations you may have just made.

Of course I can help find another link if you are currently using a different operating system.

Thanks
 
so you agree your lying and conning people who think they are getting pure locales only to get a cham you have no idea what it is? and you admit your scamming people with the crossed mitsios? that's what everyone wants to hear they wanna hear the truth not your back peddling trying to save a sinking ship
 
James, you saw current pics of the exact male -- the oldest from the pairing -- and I very clearly said that he was what we were judging the purity of the wild caught dam on, and that I was not making any guarantees about the locale on the clutch. I believe that was quite transparent.
 
Panther Company said:
Rob -- it's ironic for you to be chiming in. You have a history of knowingly selling crossed Mitsios for $600 each after importing them. Why didn't you give Lee a refund? Why won't you even admit what you quite obviously did?

It's also ironic for other posters on this thread with their concerns about our Ambanja lines when they themselves have breeding programs centered around Ambanja lines that have obviously been crossed with the Nosy Be locale (Shauna and Josh).
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WOW! YOU SOLD ME AN AMBANJA THEN YOU RESOLD IT AS A FALY!! Why would I NOT question that? I was attached to him, Josh. I was sad to send him back. My children named him Gustavo and they were crushed. I had him delivered to my classroom, where 26 nine-year-olds helped me open the box, THEY were crushed. My chameleons are not just breeders, they are also educational bridges that help me connect with kids who never looked forward to school a day of their life until being in my classroom with the chameleons.

So your strategy is to not answer questions or provide evidence, but to try to deflect the situation by trying to discredit our lines? Wow. I guess maybe we should see how Chuck G feels about you calling his lines crosses. Which is very interesting, because aren't you promoting some of your "pure" ambanjas as being sired by the same line? Galactagus is Bonsai's sire. Dumb move, dude.

Oh, one more thing..... If my ambanjas are crosses, why did you message me to inquire about purchasing a female? You have just entered a new level of low.
 
Panther Company said:
James -- my point was about the way Rob Nichols and Rob Clark sent messages trying to make sure I would not confirm it looked like a preexisting problem -- which I think is quite shady but apparently you have no issue with. Also, so no one reading this gets the wrong impression, it is worth clarifying that you are not an experienced breeder. You've still not hatched out a single clutch. I'm not going to attack your husbandry, but I do wish you better luck with your current animals than with the male you got from Rob. Your new Faly looks very nice.
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Attacking our credibility will not salvage yours (opinion)
 
Rob, this thread has nothing to do with Mitsios -- and you're completely delusional if you think the one female you sold Steve ended up being the only female we had. You're also delusional if you think we produced a bunch of crossed mitsios and passed them off as pure.

You've seen lots of people confirm that we got several WC females from the last Mitsio shipment, several of which have proven out, and we also got several F1 females from "Leo" -- the same person that Jason got the Mitsio that he has (and the brother he sold Lam).

If you want to see the Mitsio crosses that the female you imported and sold to Steve for $600 after knowing she was crossed, look at the ad titled "Mitsio X". It's again quite transparent.
 
Here's what happened with T-rex when pantherco said they never sent out an unhealthy animal. He arrived severely dehydrated, had a burned mark on his side ( which I didn't get notification of) , and he had gular edema. I told panther co about the gular edema and they told me it was from the SHIPPING. Here are the evidences.
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Shauna he hasn't ever been attached to anything this venture is all about money for him an vinny, that's exactly why he never told anyone he bred an sold crossed mitsios.. he never mentioned it at all until I outted his shady practice, this was months ago an look at poor jessicas two hes trying to call mitsio's really instead of back peddling josh you should be coming clean an askin everyone for forgiveness.. instead you attack the messengers for actually tellin the truth about you an your lies....
 
Shauna, your chameleons are beautiful -- and obviously quite popular (even if they look a lot like Nosy Be). They may be pure Ambanja -- but they sure look closer to pure Nosy Be, and I don't really understand the idea of trying to make one locale look just like another.
 
so sorry josh this thread is about you selling crosses as pure locale an that's exactly what you are doin an its coming home to roost in your yard not mine.. again dude this thread is about you an your shady doings has nothing to do with me other then I caught you lying about it all months ago an now everyone else is getting to see first hand you back peddling.. you sellin crossed mitsios has everything to do with this boi thread an why its being mentioned .. im sorry if you cant lie your way out of facts
 
for someone who says they don't sell sick chams josh that boy sure doesn't look healthy. an like was said maybe you should lay off dog food as food for your feeders.. I sat by an was quiet as long as I could be when reading josh being all pompus while outright lying to everyone on this board
 
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