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Bad Guy BEWARE OF PIJAC!!!!

Suncoast Herpetological said:
And one more point. Where do you think the big breeders get a large number of the lower end animals that they supply to Petco and Petsmart? They buy them from smaller breeders in wholesale lots.

I really think everyone needs to take a step back, take a couple of deep breaths and quit recycling unsubstantiated rumors around till there is actually some shred of evidence to support them.

The blog entry on NOHR669 plainly states PIJACS position. You can choose to believe it or not.
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:iagree:

No need to overreact yet.

Everyone think about this, if the big name breeders do stop small breeders, who is going to buy from them? Are you going to buy from someone who blatantly screwed over your hobby? What is the point of spending a few grand on a reptile if you cannot breed it? These guys will only be dealing with each other because they will lose their fan base and customers. They have no financial gain.

In reality, the reptile business will go underground. The small time breeders will still do business with each other behind closed doors. No need to spend money on booths when a "tupperware party" will be hosted between friends. This can be a good thing for small time breeders, read carefully between the lines and a loophole will be discovered.

What this thread needs is facts, not ASSumptions. Reading the "I know but won't tell" is getting real old real quick when our hobby is on the line. I say out those who are trying to shut us down.

We can make calls, send e-mails, and stop buying. This will stop within moments, all it takes is those who have names to come forward. Money talks, if big names are involved, they will listen quickly when their bank account is no longer growing and their stock is pilling up in the corners due to lack of sales. Food on their table is just as important as food on ours.
 
Yep. i wont buy a DAMN thing if i cant even produce my own morphs with it. HA. What would those people be thinking?! They would effectively and THOROUGHLY kill their own market if that were true!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Go on. Collect your pokemon morphs if you wanna. But i know i wont be!

Great Post Michael!!!!
 
Junkyard said:
:iagree:

No need to overreact yet.

Everyone think about this, if the big name breeders do stop small breeders, who is going to buy from them? Are you going to buy from someone who blatantly screwed over your hobby? What is the point of spending a few grand on a reptile if you cannot breed it? These guys will only be dealing with each other because they will lose their fan base and customers. They have no financial gain.

In reality, the reptile business will go underground. The small time breeders will still do business with each other behind closed doors. No need to spend money on booths when a "tupperware party" will be hosted between friends. This can be a good thing for small time breeders, read carefully between the lines and a loophole will be discovered.

What this thread needs is facts, not ASSumptions. Reading the "I know but won't tell" is getting real old real quick when our hobby is on the line. I say out those who are trying to shut us down.

We can make calls, send e-mails, and stop buying. This will stop within moments, all it takes is those who have names to come forward. Money talks, if big names are involved, they will listen quickly when their bank account is no longer growing and their stock is pilling up in the corners due to lack of sales. Food on their table is just as important as food on ours.
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:iagree: Great and precise points made Michael!

Randal Berry
 
If it is easy, then great. But I haven't heard of hardly ANY small time breeders saying "Oh yeah, I shipped out some xx morphs to the UK" anytime lately.
I know of a few breeders that ship overseas, but none that are small hobby breeders.
If there's tons of hobby breeders shipping overseas, than, sorry, I didn't know about it.
 
Wolfy-hound said:
If it is easy, then great. But I haven't heard of hardly ANY small time breeders saying "Oh yeah, I shipped out some xx morphs to the UK" anytime lately.
I know of a few breeders that ship overseas, but none that are small hobby breeders.
If there's tons of hobby breeders shipping overseas, than, sorry, I didn't know about it.
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I dont really look into that stuff all that often, nor does it really come up in conversation, but this is the first time ive heard of it too. :) Ill have to check it out. ( just to understand how it works)
 
As my grandpa is fond of saying, "Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

And on the flip side, "Just because you are paranoid, dont mean it aint happening". No credit to grandpa shrap on that one.

Folks are scared. And deservedly so. Livelihoods, homes, marriages, childrens future, etc, etc are at stake here. So I completely understand people wanting to discuss these things when they hear them. And they should be discussed. Walking around with blinders on is no better than going on witch hunts in my opinion.

In all honesty folks there is nothing that can be done until they come back with their re-write of this Bill. Even if there are backroom deals going on, there is nothing we can do about it right now. Once the re-write is released then we can act. Be it pats on the back all around or breaking out the nooses....
 
shrap said:
As my grandpa is fond of saying, "Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

And on the flip side, "Just because you are paranoid, dont mean it aint happening". No credit to grandpa shrap on that one.

Folks are scared. And deservedly so. Livelihoods, homes, marriages, childrens future, etc, etc are at stake here. So I completely understand people wanting to discuss these things when they hear them. And they should be discussed. Walking around with blinders on is no better than going on witch hunts in my opinion.

In all honesty folks there is nothing that can be done until they come back with their re-write of this Bill. Even if there are backroom deals going on, there is nothing we can do about it right now. Once the re-write is released then we can act. Be it pats on the back all around or breaking out the nooses....
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Sammy, I think I Love you!:thumbsup:
 
shrap said:
As my grandpa is fond of saying, "Never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".

And on the flip side, "Just because you are paranoid, dont mean it aint happening". No credit to grandpa shrap on that one.

Folks are scared. And deservedly so. Livelihoods, homes, marriages, childrens future, etc, etc are at stake here. So I completely understand people wanting to discuss these things when they hear them. And they should be discussed. Walking around with blinders on is no better than going on witch hunts in my opinion.

In all honesty folks there is nothing that can be done until they come back with their re-write of this Bill. Even if there are backroom deals going on, there is nothing we can do about it right now. Once the re-write is released then we can act. Be it pats on the back all around or breaking out the nooses....
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You grandpa sounds like a good guy!

However, I disagree that nothing can be done. The best thing we all can do is help educate the public while in between massive letter writing campaigns to politicians who've already made up their minds. Contact a local school and do a responsible presentation with your animals. Call the local news stations and ask them to cover it. Write letters to the newspaper every time one of these "pythons are going to take over the country" articles comes out.

Thanks,
Ed
 
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It's quiet. Too quiet....

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Their are more small time breeders/Importers doing Exports than you think. Matter of fact, some are Export based. Only producing animals/Importing for untapped markets overseas. Most are Non-Cities animals though, which are incredibly easy to Export. Captive Bred Cities stuff takes up to 6 months to get Export permits, if they are granted, which is why most of those shipments are valued in the thousands because of the time and effort involved. Wild Caught Cities stuff can be immediately Re-Exported, because the permit is still valid once they are brought in the US.
 
Someday, a friend will call me, see if I can hook him up. I'll shoot Sammy a page, we'll meet behind a quicky-mart. I'll pass him a small stack of bills, he'll pass me a small bag. We'll each go our own way.

The cost of a two-finger bag of pied will double.
 
Uroboros said:
Someday, a friend will call me, see if I can hook him up. I'll shoot Sammy a page, we'll meet behind a quicky-mart. I'll pass him a small stack of bills, he'll pass me a small bag. We'll each go our own way.

The cost of a two-finger bag of pied will double.
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"Yo man... How much double het can I get for $20 dawg!"
 
Here's a post that actually belongs in this thread.

A few years ago, my state government was hearing a bill to ban all constrictors that had the "potential" to reach 5 foot.
I contacted PJIAC to inform them of this and ask for assistance in fighting the bill.
ZERO of my phone calls and emails were ever returned or even acknowledged.
I drove the 2+ hours down to the capital and spoke at the committee meeting along with many others from my state and got the bill killed in committe.

HSUS had a representative there attempting to get the bill through.
PJIAC? Not interested I guess. Maybe they didn't think me and my fellow constrictor keepers in my state were a big enough piece of the pie to warrant spending some of the donations that I sent them in the past. :angry:
 
Damon,thank you for the very useful and very telling information.Actions are always more useful to determine someone's or some organizations true motives. Kudos for stepping up and being proactive in your state too.
 
Seems to me Brian wants to call me a liar, he wanted proof I called him, he even posted on his face book I was a liar. Well Brian, who is the liar now?

I am sorry, but my scanner was not working, but here is proof I called Brian, lets see if he is man enough to say he was wrong, and buck up with an apology.

Post this on your face book Brian!!
 
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lanceheads said:
Bobby,
The USDA IS NOT quailified nor trained to inspect the health and well being of herps. The USDA has zero jurisdiction over reptiles/amphibians.

Randal Berry
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Randal, do you know anything about reptiles? U.S. Department of Agriculture has everything to do with reptiles. You are 110% pure wrong, do the homework. USDA is over all aspects of reptiles, and to make a comment like this is pure silly.
 
I can say as a licensed importer/exporter,that there are 3 government agencies that I deal with repeatedly.They are USDA/Aphis,USFW and U.S. Customs.I am painfully aware of them all.I do understand they are just doing their jobs.These 3 entities can stop a shipment for a variety of reasons at any time.
 
varnyard said:
Seems to me Brian wants to call me a liar...
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Anyone that has known you longer than 5 minutes knows you are not a liar Bobby. You may be loud mouthed, opinionated and hard headed (just as I was recently described myself. Thanks grandma!!), but you are as honest as the day is long. Misguided sometimes maybe, but certainly a good man with good intentions and not a liar by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Forgive me, but I'm at a loss. What is the 2 minute phone call proving? This Brian just said you never called?
 
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