Bad Guy BHB reptiles "het" didn't prove out, won't fix it

[annmikeal]

I have noticed that people keep asking for BHB for post, but Im pretty sure Brian isnt the one on here from BHB most of the time

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Four females Jay.... The females have other reputable names attached to them as well.. Not quite my right to disclose... And to my previous post; I will not disclose the price paid by Cliff either... That's up to them... Cliff's two females are proven by the by; and with some bulletproof names I may add... Help a little... I can tell that you don't breed ball pythons by some of your posts Mr. Sommers.. No biggie; sit back with me and let's learn some stuff on how the big boys play in the majors... I ain't impressed by some of the actions; or lack thereof...

 

[Angel Rojas]

The reason is Brain is the one who say that he would make right on this situation, and that has not happened yet. He has not given the OP so much as a fart in his direction when it came to keeping in contact to finalize the deal that he promised. Simply put, the OP went to Brain with a problem, Brain agreed and promise to fix said problem, Brain never fixes said problem

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Thanks for the red dot to the unknown... My hearsay you could take to a bank; as I steer nobody wrong and actually care about people; even unknown's; always have; always will.. Do you think that person wants this type of scrutiny??? When I saw this initial posting; I knew Dave was stacked against bigtime.... I'm done posting; obviously as I got off the chain a little... I apologize if some is real hard to swallow.. My throat is swollen over the issue... I'm good, and thank you to all; the choice is yours if you'd like to be dealt a hand like has been dealt to just David Bellis alone; his word is solid out here in Az....

 

[dustinntech]

Obviously playing with hets in the morph game is risky. 2 hets paired up gives you, in theory, 25% visual morphs. But that does not mean 25% of the eggs will have visuals in there, that means each egg has 25% chance of having the 2 recessive genes that would cause the morph to be visual. Now I know you have bred it to many females, but how are you 100% sure it is the spider that isn't het when it could also be the females? Even if one of the females wasn't het for that gene that could have been the one time he through out his recessive gene that would have made it a visual.

On a side note, if you were told they would compensate you, you should be compensated. But not for the "possible babies" you could have had. In my opinion you should get a refund for the snake or a replacement. I would also expect you to ship the animal you are getting replaced back. Also, what would you expect to be done if you did in fact get more than the original price and it actually proved out? Would you reimburse bhb? If you are wanting more money for the season you had losses in due to it not being a het couldn't they technically come back at you saying they want more money from you for dragging their name through the mud when the animal was infact a het and you just had bad luck?

I'm not trying to take sides here, but I don't think you are due anything more than what you paid. I also believe that if BHB said they would work something out with you they should stop dragging their heels and just do it. It's not like they don't have the funds or power to do so.

 

[Angel Rojas]

I have noticed that people keep asking for BHB for post, but Im pretty sure Brian isnt the one on here from BHB most of the time

That may be true as the name on the accont is not Brain's. But I'm sure they work for him and can get in contact with him to let him know what's going on

 

[ozz465]

The reason is Brain is the one who say that he would make right on this situation, and that has not happened yet. He has not given the OP so much as a fart in his direction when it came to keeping in contact to finalize the deal that he promised. Simply put, the OP went to Brain with a problem, Brain agreed and promise to fix said problem, Brain never fixes said problem

I agree 100% with this , brian agreed to make it right an d it seems he has ignored the OP . what i dont agree with is the Current owner being compensated for more than the current snake is worth. Bringing in value on potential snakes produced is rather ridiculous and should not be taken into account to the solving of this problem /

 

[Angel Rojas]

That may also be true. But do we allow the fact that it might not have produce said visual animals to out weigh the fact the it very well could have possibly produced said visual animals

 

[ozz465]

That may also be true. But do we allow the fact that it might not have produce said visual animals to out weigh the fact the it very well could have possibly produced said visual animals

im my opinion such unknowns cant be given a $ amount to them , plus its not 100 known if its a het or not , Theres plenty of stories of people getting horrid odds with hets and years later finally proving them out. Just saying a replacement with a proven het or an other het of same size and health is fair .

 

[Angel Rojas]

Now, this should be the last post cause it's the million dollar question, and should stop almost every other question from being asked

We all know that it's on Brian to make this deal right as the OP was promised compensation, so to the OP........Drum roll please......What kind of compensation would you want that you think would be fair so all of this can end

 

[Paul Kent]

im my opinion such unknowns cant be given a $ amount to them , plus its not 100 known if its a het or not , Theres plenty of stories of people getting horrid odds with hets and years later finally proving them out. Just saying a replacement with a proven het or an other het of same size and health is fair .

Thats all well and good, and I dont necessarily disgree, but lets keep in mind the the poster and the postee have already come to an agreement. Our opinions of whether he should do something/has a right to not do anything/etc really dont matter. The only problem here is that Brian hasnt come through with HIS agreement (yet) and is (by the looks of it) dodging his attempts to contact him.

Theres a lot of other things being said but really thats the only problem here. Everything else is secondary and doesnt really have much to do with the real problem.

 

[rabernet]

Now, this should be the last post cause it's the million dollar question, and should stop almost every other question from being asked

We all know that it's on Brian to make this deal right as the OP was promised compensation, so to the OP........Drum roll please......What kind of compensation would you want that you think would be fair so all of this can end

I asked that early on in this thread.

 

[DaveyFig]

That may also be true. But do we allow the fact that it might not have produce said visual animals to out weigh the fact the it very well could have possibly produced said visual animals

It absolutely outweighs the chance of producing.

There is already only a 25 % chance of each egg being homozygous with 2 hets. being paired. If one of the parents is not a het there is a 0% chance. None of the animals that David paired were proven hets.
Lets also keep in mind that "morphs" are defects. Color mutations that we think are pretty are things that would weaken the animal in the wild. From what I have seen, the spiders are fragile anyway( as is evident in the wobbling, twisting, shaking animals). Couple that with another genetic defect (hypomelanism) and it might just be that the sperm that are carrying those traits combined just don't swim with the gusto of normal sperm. Even if the hypomelanism strains of the parents are compatible, and both are hets, that doesn't mean that the female is going to release an egg that carries it. Even if she does release it, that doesn't mean that the male will.

You can put 2 different colored balls (lets say red and blue) in a can, shake it up and and blindly remove one ball and although it my be statistically unbelievable, you may never pull out the red ball. Now, trying to pull the same colored ball out of 2 different cans may seem easy enough, but you may not get 2 of the same in only 22 attempts. Factor in that they may be incompatible, and you may be pulling blue and red balls out of one can, and blue and yellow out of another.

 

[brd7666]

I was going to stay out of this one, but this thread really is a joke.

I do not know any of the people in question here.

It is Brian's right to change his mind if he feels like doing so. So he sold a male spider het ghost. As mentioned there is more than one line of ghost, and they are all not compatible. The OP bred the male to unproven females.

Who is to say these females are really hets? People say, oh those females came from so and so. He has a good reputation. I have not seen other people question Brian's animals before this. You cannot say that those females are hets when they are not proven. I don't care who they came from. It's just as easy to question the females as it is to question the male. Brian has a good reputation as well.

If I was Brian, I wouldn't give the OP anything. He owes the OP nothing at this point. The Op doesn't even own the animal in question any more. The OP sold the animal and has never proven out his females that the spider was bred to. If I was Brian, I would completely ignore the OP from here on out. Brian owes him nothing. The OP started a bad guy thread that should not have been started in the first place. Even when breeding het to het, there are no guarantees of what will be produced.

I would be suprised if Brian even comments on this. It will not hurt him one bit. The person with the BHB Reptiles account is not even Brian, I am guessing it is one of his employees.

Everyone needs to let this thread die. It is a complete waiste of time. As far as I'm concerned the OP is the bad guy here, and not Brian. The OP wants to blame Brian, when every female used was an unproven female. The male needs to be bred to a visual before you can make the claim that the male is not a het.

So, if Brian chooses to give the OP something, then that is up to him. After all of this, if I were Brian, I wouldn't give the OP the time of day.

 

[annmikeal]

I was going to stay out of this one, but this thread really is a joke.

I do not know any of the people in question here.

It is Brian's right to change his mind if he feels like doing so. So he sold a male spider het ghost. As mentioned there is more than one line of ghost, and they are all not compatible. The OP bred the male to unproven females.

Who is to say these females are really hets? People say, oh those females came from so and so. He has a good reputation. I have not seen other people question Brian's animals before this. You cannot say that those females are hets when they are not proven. I don't care who they came from. It's just as easy to question the females as it is to question the male. Brian has a good reputation as well.

If I was Brian, I wouldn't give the OP anything. He owes the OP nothing at this point. The Op doesn't even own the animal in question any more. The OP sold the animal and has never proven out his females that the spider was bred to. If I was Brian, I would completely ignore the OP from here on out. Brian owes him nothing. The OP started a bad guy thread that should not have been started in the first place. Even when breeding het to het, there are no guarantees of what will be produced.

I would be suprised if Brian even comments on this. It will not hurt him one bit. The person with the BHB Reptiles account is not even Brian, I am guessing it is one of his employees.

Everyone needs to let this thread die. It is a complete waiste of time. As far as I'm concerned the OP is the bad guy here, and not Brian. The OP wants to blame Brian, when every female used was an unproven female. The male needs to be bred to a visual before you can make the claim that the male is not a het.

So, if Brian chooses to give the OP something, then that is up to him. After all of this, if I were Brian, I wouldn't give the OP the time of day.

Thank you Brian,

 

[DaveyFig]

The male needs to be bred to a visual before you can make the claim that the male is not a het.

To add to that, it needs to be paired with a visual that is proven to be compatible with the line that it came from to prove anything, not just any visual ghost. I am not saying that it has to be done before Brian compensates David, because he agreed to compensate him without the proof, but it needs to be done before anyone says it isn't a het again.

 

[Paul Kent]

If I was Brian, I wouldn't give the OP anything. .

The only problem with that is that, well to put it bluntly, you not Brian. And Brain DOES see a problem with the situation and agreed to do something about it. And they already came to an agreement as to what will be done. And so far, hes done nothing to remedy it.

Im not trying to down your opinion really, just saying that ALL of these opinions dont matter (including mine). The only opinions that matter are the 2 people involved and they agree.

 

[Paul Kent]

Well I guess in a way your are "a" Brian..lol

 

[Paul Kent]

man, my spelling is bad tonight..

 

[Paul Kent]

And I agree that this thread after about page 10 is a HUGE waste of time and needs to die gracefully