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Bad Guy BHB reptiles "het" didn't prove out, won't fix it

One major thing that did happen here... Cliff quit dealing with snakes because this left such a hoarse taste in his mouth.

Dave Bellis, a true man of his word... Reached out a dozen times to compensate Cliff. Cliff was done by then. He never took anything from Dave, he had such a foul taste in his mouth that a "major breeder" would act like this towards another large stand up breeder.

He simply folded up shop and that is it. It does stuff to people when you send out sick junk, death, or false Hets. This was the Domino effect in it's entirety.
 
SaltyBalls said:
Did I rectify my first impression? I am really sorry, I make horrible first impressions on forums a lot... Could someone change my name for me, I can't?
Also, if anyone could tell me what happened I would be grateful because I have a horrible headache and horrible measles and I'm only on page 15...
Thanks
Kyle Thompson
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Yes, I changed your name for you. And yes, now you have a credibility issue as a first impression here.
 
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Jeez, that's sad...
Thanks WebSlave and don't worry, it's cool, i'll earn credibility the hard way.
Did Brian ever respond?
Please tell me if i'm just bringing up bad vibes and memories and i'll shut up.
 
It's been a couple years since Cliff's clutch it seems..

Just curious if anyone knows who has the snakes now? Did they ever prove out?
 
I messaged brian at bhb and he said he offered david 1000$ credit, which was lies. I linked all the contact emails between him and david which were forwarded to me by david and he responded with "im done" Here is a quote " I WILL NOT be doing anything for David after all he cost me. I was more then willing to back an animal that was two parties separated from me and he decided to trash my reputation of 25 years... If you think he was in the right for doing that rather then excepting my crdit then we will never see eye to eye and we can just leave it at that. I have NEVER screwed anyone in all my time in this business and trust me David cost me WAY more loss of business then he ever lost from an animal that I can not even tell for sure was from me?"
I also mentioned the kinked animal he sold to someone and he said "'m not going to go one for hours, but the kink animal was immediately refunded and was an obvious mistake. What else would you have me done? Have you never made a mistake in the past?"
 
This kind of thing is one of the reasons I will not buy from the huge breeders like BHB or NERD. So many animals. Things are going to get screwed up once in a while.

I didnt read the whole 78 pages of this. Did anyone find out what line of ghost the snake was? If it was one line, and he was breeding it to another. I know some lines dont mix. Also the Hets the spider from BHB was being bred to. There could be a chance they were not hets too.
 
in my opinion i will not ask bryan for remplace the snake i will ask the last seller its not about buying whit big breeders or small breeders. now bryan say "im gonna fix it" talk about him the problem he did not did because no time, etc etc. but to make sure of the male its a het or not i will breed it to all the females from the first clutch from the start.
 
I am not taking sides here. I am asking, what BHB should have done? For those that thought he should have stepped up, what would you like for him to do?
 
dumje said:
I back my hets to my buyer...not to the person my buyer sold too...just sayin
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By backing the buyer do you mean that you would refund the buyer in the event that he sold it to someone and it didn't prove out (and let him deal with compensating his buyer)? Or do you mean that once the buyer that you sold to sells it, you won't compensate anyone?

One of those answers is unethical.
 
btmansfi said:
By backing the buyer do you mean that you would refund the buyer in the event that he sold it to someone and it didn't prove out (and let him deal with compensating his buyer)? Or do you mean that once the buyer that you sold to sells it, you won't compensate anyone?

One of those answers is unethical.
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A long time ago, people bought hets from good individuals. These people used the "het paperwork" to sell their imports as het. How does the good individual know exactly what has transpired once the snake leaves his hands? How does he know what has transpired once the snake leaves his customers hands? I know, keep records. but computers crash and files get lost in a move or what.
 
HerpVenue said:
A long time ago, people bought hets from good individuals. These people used the "het paperwork" to sell their imports as het. How does the good individual know exactly what has transpired once the snake leaves his hands? How does he know what has transpired once the snake leaves his customers hands? I know, keep records. but computers crash and files get lost in a move or what.
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If you can't keep track of your documents you shouldn't be selling goods or services to people, period. It's not that hard or expensive to create a backup of information. What would you say if you bought something from Amazon today and tomorrow they told you they lost all of your info, had no record of your previous orders, and you were basically on your own? No different with someone selling ball pythons.

Also, analogous to this is a car. When you buy a new car it comes with a warranty from the manufacturer. You can sell it or trade it in 100 times, but each subsequent owner inherits the warranty until it expires. It holds the manufacturers feet to the fire. If you sell a ball python to John Doe and he sells it to Jane Smith, your obligations and responsibilities don't suddenly end. You may choose to deal with John Doe rather than Jane Smith to remedy the problem; however, the fact that your original buyer has since sold the animal to someone else by no means absolves you of any wrong or misinformation you may or may not have given to the original buyer.
 
btmansfi said:
If you can't keep track of your documents you shouldn't be selling goods or services to people, period. It's not that hard or expensive to create a backup of information. What would you say if you bought something from Amazon today and tomorrow they told you they lost all of your info, had no record of your previous orders, and you were basically on your own? No different with someone selling ball pythons.

Also, analogous to this is a car. When you buy a new car it comes with a warranty from the manufacturer. You can sell it or trade it in 100 times, but each subsequent owner inherits the warranty until it expires. It holds the manufacturers feet to the fire. If you sell a ball python to John Doe and he sells it to Jane Smith, your obligations and responsibilities don't suddenly end. You may choose to deal with John Doe rather than Jane Smith to remedy the problem; however, the fact that your original buyer has since sold the animal to someone else by no means absolves you of any wrong or misinformation you may or may not have given to the original buyer.
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A car has a VIN. How do you identify a snake as it could be argued that the pattern is not the same.
Just throwing that out there as I haven't dealt with anyone here.
 
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