Bad Guy Bigjoejr79 Joseph Lyons

[Copperhead1121]

There was one text between me saying i might be better traveling to get them and it was him asking what the closest airport to me is.

 

[Copperhead1121]

text messages

 

[Copperhead1121]

text messages

 

[Copperhead1121]

Now this is when i posted the other thread asking for just info on the guy. You can read what was said on that one as well after this text. He also sent a pm on here to me.

From him:
Please private message me ur nunber my phone got wet wont have a new one till friday i need to settle this with u thanks

From me:
My number is 205-572-7574

better yet my info you'll need to send refund is 115 Shepherds Cove, Calera Al. 35044 as this is what is still on my license. Name is Michael Johnson. It will go to Sylacauga Al walmart

From him:
i talked to a few people i will have ur refund at that walmart in a few days we have chickens going out will notify u the morning of meantime i will call u today

I never received a call from him and still haven't to this day.

From him:
ur money will be at ur walmart mon evening by 7pm my time i will have my new phone with same number by tonorrow

From me:
Okay. I'll check Monday afternoon

From me:
still sending money today? I will need a confirmation number.

 

[Copperhead1121]

Now he has a phone again and we are discussing refund.

 

[Copperhead1121]

I removed one set of text because it has a phone number for the other person i mentioned that i talked to about their shipment from Joseph. I'm not posting their info without their permission. But the "employer" asked what i was supposed to get and i told him dragons from fauna and he was supposed to be sending me a refund. He said seems that he did that to a couple of people and sent me the number to the other person which i contacted and discussed everything with. To my knowledge he is still waiting on shipment as well.

 

[Copperhead1121]

text messages

 

[Copperhead1121]

And the final text from whoever was responding. I did send 2 text to the other number they gave me for Joseph as well as the text re the BOI thread. No response for either. If anyone has questions please ask and i'll answer as soon as i can. Thanks.

P.S. Thanks to a certain fauna member i won't let this deter me from this site. I'm looking to buy a dragon on here at this time as well. I will be more than cautious of course and ask before hand about any dealings. Thank you to the members on here that give the reptile industry a good name. Hopefully i'll be getting a dragon from one of you soon.

 

[Robert Walker]

I don't know anything about Bearded Dragons.
Can someone please identify the morphs for me?
1. _____________
2. _____________

Thanks!

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Not sure if anyone else read all the texts, but joseph said "I can't ship under 40 degrees, fedex rules." One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Also, when you mentioned driving there to meet him he changed his tune quickly. That should have been a big red flag, it was clear he did NOT want you going there in person. I think now it's pretty obvious why.

 

[Copperhead1121]

Since i knew nothing about shipping at the time i thought it was correct as far as shipping under 40 degrees but i saw a lot on here shipping in lower temps. Then i was told they were closed on MLK day but FedEx website said they were open and under normal shipping and receiving hours on that day. He has text since this post saying he could have money to me by Feb 21st via money gram. We shall see if he comes through on this once again.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I honestly would not count on him sending you the money back, no matter what he says. It's a pretty classic scammer move (from what I've seen on here anyway) to keep promising a refund and string it out long enough that you can't find them again. If I were you I would keep my fingers crossed but pursue other avenues of attaining the refund in the meantime.

Just be glad it was only about $100, I've seen people screwed out of ten times that. The BOI is your best friend when dealing with reptile sales online, I highly recommend checking here first if you decide to send money to someone again. I'm lucky in that I've never had an issue yet but I also do my research beforehand.

 

[Copperhead1121]

Yeah i'll definitely be checking people out more. It was only $150 but when you have 6 kids and one on the way coming up with extra for reptiles isn't too easy. lol. Lesson learned for sure. Still a lot of good people on here though so hopefully can do more business in the future on here.

 

[Robert Walker]

Still a lot of good people on here though

Very true! The "bad guys" get a lot of publicity because they usually invoke deep emotional responses. There are however, a lot of wonderful, hard working, honest people here that successfully buy and sell daily without any problems whose stories are simply less sensational.

Scammers/thieves are not exclusive to the reptile world, it happens everywhere. Lessons learned here are applicable across many of life's adventures. You might be surprised to learn that most of us who despise scammers the most and proactively go after them, where at some point in our lives scammed too.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Very true! The "bad guys" get a lot of publicity because they usually invoke deep emotional responses. There are however, a lot of wonderful, hard working, honest people here that successfully buy and sell daily without any problems whose stories are simply less sensational.

Scammers/thieves are not exclusive to the reptile world, it happens everywhere. Lessons learned here are applicable across many of life's adventures. You might be surprised to learn that most of us who despise scammers the most and proactively go after them, where at some point in our lives scammed too.

 

[Copperhead1121]

Yeah i definitely agree as well. Thanks for the responses and taking time to read through everything on this.

 

[Copperhead1121]

I just wanted to update this thread since more has happened. I received a text from 803-387-4570 stating it was Joseph and he was trying to refund me my money. He stated he could either mail money order again since the first was apparently returned or get through money gram by Fed 21st. I agreed to money gram. He then text me again Wed Feb 18th asking me to send info again and he would be trying to send money Thursday or Friday. I sent the info once again and text Sat asking when to expect money and then again that afternoon after no response. I then received a text Sunday morning stating at noon Sunday. At noon at i asked for confirmation number and never received another message. I then advised i would be updating the BOI with his information. Hopefully this will stop someone else from being scammed by this guy. His name is Joseph Michael Lyons Jr and his fiance is Krystle Michelle Bair both which were found on facebook. The address i have was old of 156 Shamrock Rd Neeses, SC 29107. The old number i had for him is 803-747-3315. I was then given a new address of 10391 Charleston Hwy Bowman SC 29018. Hope this helps someone else in the future.Of course if i need to post any of the recent texts i would be more than happy to do so.

 

[Robert Walker]

Just to add a couple of items:
1. Joseph Lyons (JL) lied on his profile using "Lions" as his last name.
2. JL has been notified via email multiple times about the BOI threads.
3. A BOI notice was placed on his fiance's FB page. (Feb 13th)
4. As a reminder to readers, this is one of JL's last comments on Fauna:
On 1/28/16 Joseph said, "if u want a refund no problem ill have ur refund in a few days."
5. Email: [email protected]
6. Born: May 1979

Joseph Michael Lyons Jr
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.lyons.16144

Fauna Account: bigjoejr79
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=148171

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I love that he has a tattoo that says "only god can judge me"

 

[Robert Walker]

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/South-Carolina/Lexington-County-SC/Joseph-Lyons.1243729.html