Chris fowarded these to me tonight, these are only emails from Bill to Chris, from what I gather in here Bill did everything he could and Chris is just one of those customers you cant satisfy,
HEY CHRIS, I JUST LEFT THE F/T RATS IN THEIR CAGE OVERNIGHT AND IN THE
MORNING THEY WERE GONE. I WOULD WAIT A FEW MORE DAYS UNTIL THEY GET SETTELED
IN BEFORE FEEDING THEM. IT IS NOT GOOD TO FEED SNAKES TOO SOON AFTER
SHIPPING. I DID NOT WORM THEM MYSELF, BUT DALE SAID THEY WERE CB AND I
FIGURED NO NEED. I WOULD PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND WORM THEM JUST AS IF THEY WERE
FRESH IMPORTS, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW. DALE IS A DIFFERENT KINDA GUY AND I'M
NOT REAL SURE ABOUT HIM YET. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHIPPING ME TWO ADULT
PERUVIANS AND THEY HAVE NEVER SHOWED UP??? WELL ANYWAY, PLEASE STAY IN TOUCH.
YOUR FRIEND AND FELLOW HERPER, BILL
hey chris, give her a little time to get setteled in. you just got her. i'm
sure she will eat after getting adjusted. she ate several times for me. if
she doesn't eat in a couple weeks please let me know and i will replace her,
but i'm sure she will eat.
thanks, bill
HEY CHRIS, I'M SORRY TO HEAR SHE IS NOT DOING ANY BETTER. I HAVE ANOTHER
ANIMAL THAT I GOT FROM DALE PICOLA THAT IS PASSING ALOT OF YELLOW FLUID. I'M
NOT SURE WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS, BUT I HAVE MINE ISOLATED FROM THE OTHERS
AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. IF SHE IS NOT BETTER IN A FEW WEEKS I
WILL SEND YOU ONE OF MY PERSONAL ANIMALS. SORRY YOU ARE HAVING SUCH BAD LUCK
WITH HER. I THOUGHT SHE WAS OK OR I WOULD NOT HAVE SENT HER TO YOU. PLEASE
LET ME KNOW HOW SHE DOES.
THANKS, BILL
HEY CHRIS, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I WILL SHIP YOU ONE OF MY FEMALES ON
THURSDAY FOR FRIDAY MORNING DELIVERY. SHE IS A VERY NICE ONE AND I THINK YOU
WILL BE VERY HAPPY WITH HER. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE OTHER ONE. I SHOULD HAVE
KEPT HER LONGER AND MADE 100% SURE SHE WAS OK BEFORE SELLING. I HAVE BEEN
TRYING TO GET HOLD OF DALE PICOLA (SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM) BUT HE IS AVOIDING MY
CALLS. HE IS REAL PIECE OF WORK! I WILL NOT BE BUYING ANYMORE ANIMALS FROM
HIM NEEDLESS TO SAY. WELL ANYWAY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN SHE ARRIVES ON
FRIDAY. IF YOU AND YOUR VET CAN NURSE THE OTHER FEMALE BACK TO HEALTH, JUST
GO AHEAD AND KEEP HER TOO. I WOULD KEEP HER ISOLATED FROM THE OTHERS THOUGH.
THANKS, BILL
HEY CHRIS, NO I DON'T HATE YOU IN THE LEAST. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND LIKE I
SAID YESTERDAY, I WISH I HAD NEVER SHIPPED THOSE 2 ANIMALS OUT. THEY WERE
SOLD TO ME AS A PAIR AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THAT WAS WRONG TOO. I
HATE TO SOUND LIKE I AM BLAMING THIS ON DALE AS WELL, BUT I GUESS I AM. THIS
WHOLE EPISODE HAS GONE FROM BAD TO WORSE. I AM VERY SORRY THAT YOU HAVE 3
FEMALES, BUT AT THIS POINT, ALL I CAN DO IS GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT TOWARDS A
MALE. I WILL ONLY SELL YOU ANIMALS FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION. PLEASE LET ME
KNOW IF I CAN HELP.
YOUR FRIEND AND FELLOW HERPER, BILL
hey chris, i know in my heart that i in fact did make right on my end and my
lawyer agrees with me. i am saving all your e-mails and they are evidence in
our harrassment case. please keep sending them and feel free to write
anything more you feel necessary.
your friend and fellow herper, bill
HEY CHRIS, I DO NOT KEEP MONEY IN MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT. IT WOULD TAKE AT LEAST 3
DAYS TO TRANSFER IT FROM MY BANK TO SEND IT TO YOU. THE ONLY WAY I WILL SEND
YOU A DIME, IS IF YOU RECTIFY THE SITUATION YOU HAVE CREATED ON THE BOA
FORUM. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO STATE EXACTLY WHERE THE ANIMALS CAME FROM AND
THAT YOU VERIFIED IT WITH DALE PICOLA HIMSELF. YOU SAID THAT YOU DID THIS, SO
IT SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO POST IT AND TELL EVERYONE. IF YOU DO THIS, I WILL
SEND YOU A CHECK, ASAP. I'VE TRIED MY BEST TO FIX THINGS ON MY END, NOW IT IS
YOUR TURN.
THANKS, BILL
NO CHRIS, IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO RIGHT YOUR WRONGS. I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN
MY POWER TO MAKE THIS SITUATION RIGHT, AND NOW LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT IS
YOUR TURN. WHEN I HEAR FROM MY FRIEND THAT YOU HAVE POSTED A TOTAL
EXPLANATION OF WHERE THE ANIMALS CAME FROM, I WILL PAY YOU AT THAT TIME. YOU
KNOW THE AMIMALS WERE NOT FROM MY COLLECTION, DALE TOLD YOU HIMSELF. YOU ALSO
KNOW YOU GOT TWO PERFECT ANIMALS FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION. AS YOU TOLD ME
IN AN EARLIER EMAIL, IT'S TIME TO CLEAR THIS WHOLE DEAL UP. YOU MUST START BY
SIMPLY POSTING THE FACTS ON THE FORUM. I DON'T THINK THIS IS MUCH TO ASK
CONSIDERING ALL I HAVE DONE TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. I HOPE WE CAN BE FRIENDS
WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE.
THANKS, BILL
HEY CHRIS, YOU ARE ASKING ME TO KEEP ON GIVING, AND YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO
GIVE ANY AT ALL. I WILL NOT PAY OR DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER,
UNTIL YOU HAVE TOLD THE WHOLE STORY. AT THIS POINT, THIS IS WAY MORE
IMPORTANT THAN THE MONEY TO ME. I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING
IRRATIONAL, I'M ONLY ASKING YOU TO TELL THE TRUTH. WHEN YOU POST, I WILL
PAYPAL. NOT UNTIL.
THANKS AGAIN, BILL
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME CHRIS.
THANKS, BILL
Heres a post from Bill on the boa forum tonight as well
http://www.kingsnake.com/forum/boa/messages/109443.html
A FEW MONTHS AGO, A NEW GUY STARTING POSTING ON THE KINGSNAKE CLASSIFIEDS. HE WAS GOING BY THE NAME OF SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM, AND STILL IS. HE ADVERTISED SEVERAL NICE, BREEDER SIZE BOAS. HE DIDN'T HAVE PICS IN THE BEGINNING, SO I ASKED HIM TO EMAIL ME PICS OF THE ADULT PAIR OF PERUVIANS HE HAD ADVERTISED FOR $2500. I ALSO ASKED HIM TO EMAIL ME PICS OF SEVERAL BREEDER SIZE GUYANAS AND SURINAMES HE HAD ADVERTISED AS WELL. HE EMAILED ME PICS OF THE TWO PERUVIANS AND SEVERAL GUYANAS AND SURINAMES. THE PAIR OF PERUVIANS LOOKED TO BE EXTREMELY NICE IN THE PHOTOS, SO I OFFERED DALE $2000. HE TOOK MY OFFER AND WE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO MEET AT THE ATLANTA SHOW IN DECEMBER. I HAD NOT PLANNED ON GOING TO THE SHOW, BUT SINCE IT WAS ONLY 2.5 HRS. AWAY, AND IT WAS A LARGE PURCHASE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO BUSINESS THERE AND MEET HIM IN PERSON, SINCE I HADN'T HEARD OF HIM BEFORE. A FEW WEEKS LATER, ME AND MY HELPER DROVE TO ATLANTA TO ATTEND THE SHOW. WE MET DALE PICOLA THERE, PREPARED TO PICK UP THE PERUVIANS. DALE TOLD ME THE PERUVIANS HAD BEEN LOST IN SHIPPING, YET HE HAD SEVERAL TABLES FULL OF ANIMALS. I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO WALK AROUND THE SHOW AND CHECK BACK LATER TO SEE IF THEY HAD ARRIVED, BEFORE I HEADED BACK FOR CHATTANOOGA. SO I PRECEEDED FROM TABLE TO TABLE, LOOKING AT ALL THE ANIMALS. I MADE MY FIRST PURCHASE FROM BILL AT GLADES. THEN I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH BEN SIEGEL AND HIS WIFE STACEY. I PURCHASED ONE SMALL SURINAME FROM BEN. I CONTINUED AROUND FROM TABLE TO TABLE, WHEN I NOTICED THAT DALE PICOLA WAS FOLLOWING ME, TRYING TO SEE WHAT I WAS BUYING. I THOUGHT MAYBE HE HAD INFORMATION ON THE MISSING PERUVIANS. SO I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY NEW INFORMATION AND HE SAID, "NO". I FOUND THIS A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT CONTINUED ON ABOUT MY BUSINESS. I STAYED AT THE SHOW FOR FOUR HOURS AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AT LEAST TWICE. AT THAT TIME, I NEEDED TO GO HOME, SO I WENT AND ASKED MR. PICOLA IF THE ANIMALS HAD SHOWN UP. HE SAID, "NO", BUT OFFERED ME SOME OF THE ANIMALS HE DID HAVE. THE FIRST ANIMAL HE OFFERED WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LARGE MALE SURINAME. UPON EXAMINING THE ANIMAL, I IMMEDIATELY NOTICED THAT IT WASN'T A SURINAME, BUT A PERUVIAN. IT ALSO WAS NOT A MALE, IT WAS A FEMALE. AT THIS TIME, I FIGURED DALE WAS JUST VERY UNEDUCATED. THIS ANIMAL ALSO HAD DIME SIZED SCARS IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS. THE SCARS ARE SOLID WHITE AND WERE COMPLETELY HEALED, BUT I ASKED DALE WHAT HAD CAUSED THEM. HE SAID THEY WERE NOT SCARS AT ALL, THAT SHE WAS "PIEBALD". AT THIS TIME, I WAS REALLY STARTING TO WONDER ABOUT MR. PICLOA'S INTELLIGENCE, BUT NEVER THE LESS, I ASKED HIM HOW MUCH. HE SAID $600, SO I OFFERED HIM $300, AND HE QUICKLY SAID "OK". WE THEN MOVED ON TO AN ADULT 7FT. FEMALE SURINAME. SHE WAS A VERY AVERAGE ANIMAL, BUT AT LEAST SHE HAD NO SCARS. SO I ASKED HIM HOW MUCH FOR HER AND HE SAID AGAIN $600. I OFFERED HIM $300, AND HE QUICKLY SAID "OK" AGAIN. HE THEN SHOWED ME SEVERAL, VERY THIN, IMPORT GUYANAS, BUT I WASN'T INTERESTED IN THEM. I WAS ABOUT TO LEAVE WITH MY 2 ADULT BREEDERS FOR $600, AND DALE SAID HE HAD 3 MORE BOAS THAT WERE 5FT.SIPPERLY SURINAMES.HE PULLED A RUBBERMAID OUT FROM UNDERNEATH HIS TABLE AND SHOWED ME THE TRIO. THEY WERE A BIT THIN, BUT AGAIN, I ASKED "HOW MUCH?", AND HE SAID "$1200 FOR THE TRIO". I OFFERED HIM $600 AND ONCE AGAIN HE QUICKLY SAID "OK". I THOUGHT THIS WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE AND IT WAS! DALE ASSURED ME THAT AS SOON AS THE 2 ADULT PERUVIANS WERE LOCATED, THEY WERE MINE.I GOT MY 5 NEW BOAS AND WENT HOME. ME AND MY HELPER TALKED ABOUT WHAT A GREAT DEAL I HAD GOTTEN FROM DALE, ALL THE WAY HOME. I GOT THE ANIMALS HOME, PUT THEM IN THE QUARANTINE BUILDING, AND SPRAYED THEM FOR MITES, AS I DO WITH ALL MY "NEWCOMERS". UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAD A FEW MITES, BUT I GOT THEM CLEARED UP WITHIN A FEW DAYS. ALL THE BOAS READILY FED AND APPEARED OUTWARDLY HEALTHY. I KEPT THE BOAS IN QUARANTINE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND SEVERAL FEEDINGS. THE 3 SUBADULTS THAT I PURCHASED WERE THIN, BUT APPEARED TO BE IN GOOD HEALTH, SO I OFFERED THEM FOR SALE AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE. A PAIR OF THEM WERE PURCHASED BY MR. CHRIS HENRICH.SEVERAL DAYS AFTER RECEIVING THE ANIMALS, CHRIS EMAILED ME AND SAID ONE OF THE BOAS APPEARED TO BE SICK AND HE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE VET. A FEW DAYS LATER, HE SAID THE BOA DIED. SO I OFFERED HIM A REFUND OR REPLACEMENT ANIMAL. HE EXPRESSED THAT HTE OTHER BOA WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD, SO I ASKED HIM WHAT HE WOULD LIKE ME TO DO, FOR HIM TO BE A SATISFIED CUSTOMER.HE SAID FOR ME TO SEND HIM 2 REPLACEMENT BOAS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LITTLE REDICULOUS, BUT I SENT HIM 2 REPLACEMENT ANIMALS ANYWAY. I KNOW AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS BUSINESS KNOWS I WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY IN DOING THIS. WHEN CHRIS RECEIVED THE REPLACEMENT ANIMALS, HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME WHAT NICE ANIMLS THEY WERE AND HOW NICE A PERSON I WAS FOR DOING SO. I TOLD HIM NO PROBLEM AND APOLOGIZED AGAIN FOR THE OTHER ANIMAL. I DID ALL THIS IN GOOD FAITH WITHOUT SEEING A PICTURE, MUCH LESS HAVING THE DEAD SNAKE. SEVERAL WEEKS LETER, CHRIS CALLED ME SAYING HE HAD A VET REPORT SAYING THE ANIMAL HAD DIED FROM IBD AND WAS REQUESTING THAT I PAY HIS VET BILL, OR HE WOULD GO ON THE FORUM AND BOI AND RUIN MY BUSINESS. AT THAT TIME WITH NO DEAD ANIMAL OR VET REPORT IN HAND, I TOLD HIM TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTED TO. AS YOU ALL KNOW, HE POSTED ON THE FORUM AND NOW CONTINUES TO POST ON THE BOI REGARDING THIS MATTER. CHRIS ASKED ME WHERE I ACQUIRED THE ANIMALS FROM AND I TOLD HIM I PICKED THEM UP AT THE ATLANTA SHOW FROM DALE PICOLA (SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM). HE THEN TOOK PICS, SENT THEM TO DALE AND CALLED HIM TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WERE IN FACT THE SAME ANIMALS I HAD PURCHASED FROM HIM. DALE CONFIRMED THEY WERE THE SAME ANIMALS.CHRIS HAS CONTINUED TO ATTACK ME THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE ORDEAL, EVEN THOUGH I DID EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE IT RIGHT, SHORT OF PAYING HIS VET BILL. ON THE OTHER HAND, I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THE PERUVIANS IN QUESTION FROM DALE, NOT THAT I WANT THEM NOW! NOR HAVE I RECEIVED AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SICK BOAS I HAD PURCHASED FROM HIM. I KNEW IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE HAVING PROBLEMS TOO. A FEW WEEKS AGO, A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, CHUCK BARKER (CENTRAL FLORIDA REPTILE BREEDERS) CALLED AND TOLD ME THAT A FRIEND OF HIS THERE IN FLORIDA, MATT HUNTER (TRUEREDTAILS.COM)BOUGHT SOME BOAS FROM DALE PICOLA, NOT KNOWING THE DANGER. ONE OF THE ANIMALS HE PURCHASED WAS AN ADULT SURINAME. DALE ADVERTISED HER FOR $650, AND MATT OFFERED HIM $300 AND HE TOOK IT. MATT SAID ALSO THAT HE THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS UP, BUT PURCHASED THE ANIMALS ANYWAY. THANKFULLY MATT PUT THE ANIMALS IN QUARANTINE, BECAUSE WITHIN ONLY A FEW DAYS, THIS BEAUTIFUL OUTWARDLY HEALTHY LOOKING SURINAME DIED. MATT TOOK THE ANIMAL TO THE VET AND HAD A NEUCROPSY DONE. THE RESULTS CAME BACK POSITIVE FOR IBD. MATT CONTACTED DALE AND HE CLAIMED "HE PICKED UP IBD FROM A PET STORE" AND HE WOULD BE REFUNDING MATT'S MONEY ASAP. I SPOKE WITH MATT TODAY BEFORE ELABORATING ON THIS TOPIC. AND BY THE WAY, MATT HAS YET TO RECEIVE HIS MONEY. I HOPE THIS SHEDS SOME NEW LIGHT ON THE IBD SITUATION. AND HEY DALE, I STILL HAVE THE ADULT PERUVIAN. YOU KNOW, THE "PIEBALD", AND THE ADULT SURINAME, AND ONE OF THE SUBADULTS. THEY ARE IN MY QUARANTINE BUILDING AND THEY APPEAR TO BE DOING FINE.I HAVE CONTACTED DR. ELLIOT JACOBSON AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND AM MAKING ARRANGEMENTS TO SEND THEM DOWN. NOT THAT I NEED ANY MORE PROOF, JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP IN THE STUDY OF THIS DISEASE. I ALSO FELT THIS POST WAS NECESSARY TO INFORM ALL THE OTHER HERPERS OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO QUARANTINE YOUR ANIMALS.
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