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Bill Cagle

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Just completed a purchase with Bill Cagle, and I must say everything went very smooth. Animals were well packed, delivery was on time, and he sent me emails confirming payment received, when the animals were sent, and then the tracking information. I wont hesitate to buy from him again...
 
I REALLY HOPE YOU DIDNT PURCHASE ANY OF THE ANIMALS THAT HE HAS SEEN FIT TO LABLE JUNGLES, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE YOUR PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN FOR A SURPRISE WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO PRODUCE OTHER JUNGLES. BILL HAS DECIDED TO CALL THESE ANIMALS JUNGLES ("AMERICAN JUNGLES" AND "BRAZINLIAN JUNGLES") BUT HAS FAILED TO DO BREEDER TRIALS TO SEE IF THEY ARE INDEED GENETIC, AND WHEN ASKED NUMEROUSE TIMES ABOUT THE GENETICS AND VALIDITY OF HIS CLAIMSON THE KINGSNAKE BOA FORUM, HE HAS CONVEINTLY DANCED AROUND THE SUBJECT, OR HAS BROKEN T.O.S SO THAT THE POSTS WHERE CONVIENTLY REMOVED BY THE KINGSNAKE NAZIS. I BELIEVE THAT A PERSON CAN CALL AN ANIMAL WHATEVER HE WANTS IF HE PRODUCES IT AND SHOWS A TRAIGHT TO BE GENETIC. BILL HAS DONE NONE OF THIS THE ANIMALS THAT HE IS MARKETTING AS "JUNGLES" WERE NOT PRODUCED BY HIM. THEY WERE PRODUCED BY OTHERS WHO ARE NOT MAKEING THE SAME CLAIMS THAT HE IS . AND WHILE HIS "BRAZILIAN JUNGLES " DO SHOW ABERENCIES HIS "AMERICAN JUNGLES" SHOW LITTLE TO NO ABERENCIES AND ASIDE FROM SHOWING REALLY NICE COLORS LOOK IDENTICAL TO NORMAL BOAS. HE ALSO MARKETS WHAT HE CALLS "SILVER SALMONS" ,"SALMONS", AND" HYPO HOGGS" WHICH ARE NEITHER HYPOS NOR ARE THEY HOGGS AND HIS SO CALLED SALMONS APPEAR TO BE JUST NORMAL BOAS NOW IF THIS ISNT SOMEONE TRYING DESPERATLY TO CASH IN ON THE MORPH TRADE WITHOUT HAVEING DONE THE WORK OR SPEND THE MONEY THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS JMHO
JOHN PERAZA
 
what did you purchase george not that hypo hogg that was neither hypo nor a hogg?












john peraza
 
Glad to hear that George, I feel the same way.

Bill happens to breed other boas other than those few recently bashed on some forums, and he has been producing many boas for a long time.
Glad to have him as a friend.

Take care guys, Joe - BciJoe
 
BASHED?????????????

BASHED???? OH IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL ASKING QUESTIONS AND AND NOT GETTING ANY ANSWERS BECAUSE THERE REALLY ISNT ANY. LOOK IF YOU FEEL THAT EXPOSEING A FRAUD IS BASHING THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU JOE. BILL HAD PLENTY OF OPPERTUNITY TO SHOW HIS PROOF . WHEN ASKED TO BACK UP HIS CLAIMS HE JUST BASICLY IGNORED ALL INQUIERIES SO IF THATS THE ACTIONS OF A RESPONISBLE BREEDER THEN I DONT WAT TO BE ONE . IF HE'S REALLY YOUR FREIND I WOULD ADVISE HIM TO ATTEMPT TO SALVAGE WHATS LEFT OF HIS REPUTAION
JOHN PERAZA
 
John

Its quite obvious from your first post in this thread that you dont care for him or his "practices"....I simply started this thread to say "hey, i just had a good dealing with bill cagle"..nothing more, nothing less...

After seeing your thread on your nightmare with DHL, and how you were so quick to piss on the seller and blame him for your delivery issues, I wouldnt buy a pack of gum from YOU...Your attitude and temper tantrums are nothing that i can stand nor tolerate...bill cagle may have folks that dont like him, BUT all i am saying is that he did good by me!!

How many years of breeding have you been doing compared to Bill, eh JON??

And simply put, its none of YOUR GD business what i purchased from bill cagle....all you need to know is, it went smooth!! (and i was awake to meet the delivery at the door)...*grins
 
hey george
i was awake to meet the delivery guy too would have been nice if he knocked on my door. as for my years of experience i have 4 with my collection and another 2 working for someone else. and unlike others who do this part time i live eat and breath boas as for you not buying a pack of gum from me thats cool i dont sell gum!! i sell top top quality animals at a fair price so if you chose not to do business with me that is your porrogative. as for my temper tantrum you try spending $750 on some snakes have them disapear , show up as deliverd , and have everyone involved act like they dont give a damn and blow you off lets see just how calm and cool you remain. as for my not liking bill cagel i dislike anyone who misrepresents his animals gets caught and does not fess up who remains on a high ground acting like he's the only one in the world who breeds boas, and to top it off takes and renames other peoples existing bloodlines if you breed boas or plan to this should also piss you off im glad that your deal with bill went off with out a hitch and i am also glad that your happy with what you payed for i just figured that people should know the whole truth about your buddy bill and as for what you purchased being none of my business your right
i was just curiouse have a nice day george
 
Hi John, I have had the pleasure of Bill's friendship looong before many began asking him questions on the boas he had labeled as 'American Jungles'.

I remember when Bill posted the ads for sale claiming they were not related to the European/Swedish line.

That is why when I bought my two pairs of these from Bill, I didn't do so expecting to produce the Jungles that Lars created and Pete and Jeremy and Alex and Chris have produced.

I posted a long winded, highly detailed response to the post on another forum when people were bashing Bill, because he would not satisfy them with a response to their questions. I do not care to divulge into that again.

I think Bill's ad was much better, much more honest and truthful than many other ads out there posted by others with blatant misinterpretations.
But I don't see a bunch of people taking the time to badger these people for weeks and weeks on end.

These are general questions, are not intended to you, and will not be addressed again if I receive a response:

Does it satisfy you to spend time trashing/asking questions of this person or any other?

Does it satisfy you to try to abate his reputation, all the while potentially diminishing yours as well?

Don't you think if some breeder tried this in a hopeful, yet pathetic, attempt to possibly snatch the one out of 1,000,000 newbies that may be ignorant enough (unknowing, not stupid) and have enough money to possibly afford a $1000-$2000 snake, it would probably be the most pitiful attempt at scamming ever heard of !!!

and last but not least, Don't you think that he may be getting a kick out of this? out of so many people 'getting their panties up in a bunch' over something so trivial?



IMO, if you don't like it, don't buy it!
If you know a friend who actually did buy them thinking they were the European line, help your friend out!

otherwise, worry about your own affairs!
I don't have a girlfriend for the last 2 years because I simply do not have the time to become involved, let alone worry about someone else!

Again, this is not a personal 'attack', just my opinion about the subject matter.

I'll be at Daytona again this year and maybe we can meet up and have a few drinks or whatnot... i'm sure we're both reasonable guys..
I know other breeders, friends of mine, who don't agree with what Bill did with these particular animals. I also know, and so do they, about the blood, sweat and tears put forth to produce the outstanding true redtails Bill has been producing for many, many years ... longer than some of these morph breeders have been around!
Not saying anything about the morph breeders... i'm one of them... can't we all just get along? ... lol

Well, take care guys.. there is so much negativity and problems in this world of ours, if I thought about and worried about them all, my head would explode!

Joe
 
This BOI

Remember one thing when you post on here JON...This board is setup so that would be buyers can somewhat "investigate" a seller and see his good points and or bad points before laying down the money....However,

It also serves the "sellers" on who is a "good buyer"....and who to STEER CLEAR OF....and not waste their time with...

Those who exibit temper tantrums are those who i personally would stay away from myself.....
 
well you know what george, you can look me up on the boi and see as a seller i have zero complaints, and the one or two times that stuff has gone wrong i have droped everything that was being done to make it right. as a buyer i have purchased well over 60 boas this year alone and out of that number ,i have had 3 problems 2 that have been rectified and one that is ongoing. so you know what? i feel that im not even close to a problem buyer and if any seller feels that this is the case with me and decides they dont want to do business with me then hey thats thier porrogitive. saves me some money .your insistance to make me seem like a bad guy here is not necessary my only purpose for posting here was to let the truth be known. im not a bad guy i conduct business the right way. my whole problem with bill is as i stated before was that its amazing how someone who had zero love for morphs all of a sudden wants to cash in without putting in the time or money. i do breed morphs and people like him destablize my business as well as anyone else who breeds morphs .this is much more than a hobby to me it is my living and it is my lifestyle that i love dearly. that is why i do things correctly , that is why i only offer for sale animals that i have had in my own collection for a while to ensure health and satisfaction ,that is why i correctly represent my animals. im sorry if i just cant digest some one who misrepresents his animals as being something he dosent know for sure if they are or arent what they are labeled as they very well may be, all i ask is either prove it or sell it as what it really is .im sorry that i have rubbed you the wrong way george, and i also apoligies to joe im sorry that you have chosen not to purcahse from me ever due to this issue and my refusal to let unsavory business practises lie in the dark where it may hurt ,that is well in your right to do so .i also apoiligies to anyone else i may have irritated with this post .
john peraza
 
John,

If you have such a big dislike for bill and what he may or may not do perhaps you need to skip on over to the Hell forum rather than highjack this thread outright for your little personal feud. It seems pretty apparent that your attack on him belong over there not here.

Adrian
 
thank you adrian i have no fued with bill, nor was it my intension to"highjack" this thread as you put it. As i stated before my only intention was to let the full information be told and let others decide. i guess i'm a bad guy for having the stones to do so. There is no need for a thread in hell i've said my peace. Obviously everyone here loves"Capt Cungle" so i guess im just wasting my time here . enjoy all those "American Jungles", "Silver Salmons", "notleys "and what ever else the saintly Bill Cagle decides to misrepresent
John Peraza
 
This is what is wrong with the BOI

Seems like there is a thread asking how to improve the integrity of the BOI? Plenty of lessons here. People like mr confused jumping this guy for simply stating he had a good dealing. After the opening bash I wouldnt want to tell you what I bought either. You could try gradually working up to being pissed off instead of going full on instantly?<p>As for Bill, I have sold him a few snakes over the last couple of years and spoke to him a few times and have had zero problem and he has always been very pleasant and his money is always good. That is all I have direct knowledge of and that is all that needs to be said here regardless of what I think of the "Jungles" and the selling tactic. In a perfect world this would be an impartial forum with posts that state the facts. Now I guess this is when I get threatened and bashed??
 
OK RICH TRY EXPLAINING TO ME WHERE I THREATEND ANYONE??FINE YOU GUYS HAD GOOD DEALINGS WITH BILL COOL IM GLAD FOR YOU I THOUGHT THAT I SHOULD ADD WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT HIS MARKETING TACTICS IM NEITHER LIEING NOR STRECHING THE TRUTH ITS NOT LIKE IM MAKEING ANY OF THIS UP. AND I TAKE OFFENSE TO YOU CLAIMING I THREATEND ANYONE!!!IM JUST CALLING IT HOW I SEE IT BILL IS MAKEING CLAIMS THAT HE CAN NOT BACK UP WITH A SINGLE MARKETING CLAIM. AND THATS NOT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE TRUE MORPHS, WHO SPENT THE MONEY ON THEM AND WHO PUT IN THE TIME PROVEING THEM OUT. IS HE THE ONLY ONE DOING IT? NO HE ISNT BUT HE IS THE ONE BEING LABLED A GOOD GUY HERE. AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS ANYONE WHO DOES THAT IS FAR FROM A GOOD GUY. NOT TO MENTION HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS HE ACTUALLY FOOLED? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE PURCHASED THESE ANIMALS ONLY TO FIND OUT IN 2 YEARS THAT THEY ARENT GOING TO PRODUCE ANYTHING BUT NICE NORMALS. LETS SEE IT HAPPEN TO ANYONE OF YOU GUYS AND SEE IF YOU DONT COME HERE CRYING. DONT GET MAD AT ME IM NOT THE ONE MISREPRESENTING ANIMALS IM JUST THE GUY WITH THE BALLS TO STAND UP AND SAY WHO IS DOING IT AND THAT ITS WRONG!!!! YOU WANT TO KEEP COMEING AT ME ALL YOU GUYS? FINE KEEP IT COMEING ILL JUST KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING: BILL CAGEL IS 100% WRONG FOR NAMEING HIS ANIMALS AFTER A EXISTING BLOODLINES .HELL THE FUNNY THING IS HE DIDNT EVEN PRODUCE ANY OF THESE ANIMALS HE BOUGHT THEM FROM OTHERS? DONT YOU THINK ITS WRONG TO NAME SOMEONE ELSES BLOOD LINE? IM SURE YOU DONT BUT WETHER YOU HAVE THE STONES TO ADMIT IT HERE THATS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT OH BY THE WAY NONE OF THIS WAS ANY BASHING I FIGURED I HAD TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU SEEING AS YOU THOUGHT I WAS BASHING SOMEONE BEFORE IM JUST CALLING IT HOW I SEE IT.
JOHN PERAZA
 
John, I'm assuming you post messages because you want people to read them? if so PLEASE.... PRETTY PLEASE.... do not SHOUT (using all caps is a form of shouting and is impolite).

I never read messages written all in capital letters. I can' t stand shouting!
 
Sorry i will stop posting in all caps just for you but only if you promise to read all my posts:D
 
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