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Bill Cagle

Chris Mcquade

one of the most honest guys I know...Chris will tell you the BLUNT honest truth and that is why he is a good guy in my book. I have purchased many animals from him over the years and all have been as Chris said they were.
I saw the pics and read this whole thread.
Stephen I have sent you Chris's e-mail and am gonna send Chris a link to this thread
 
Does he still send a free case of IBD with every purchase?? Just kidding. I hope bill will see the light and refund your money, I think in alot of people's mind he is way on the bad guy list over his cungles already. Craig
 
I agree. I hope Bill will do the right thing and set things right. I use to have a lot of respect for Bill. But, with all of his false naming, just for the sake of selling animals, I have lost all respect for him.
This whole time myself and others have been warning him about the possibility of buyers being "taken in" with these names and unproven genetics. I am sad to see that it has happened. Again, I hope Bill will do the right thing.

I've given up on the fact that he will change his unproven/stolen names. Maybe, just maybe he will see the light with this.
John Lokken
 
non-hypo/non-hogg

Chris Mcquade gave me a call and replied to email today to confirm what everbody all ready knew. This snake isn't a hypo/hogg and wasn't sold to Bill as one. I'm currently trying to find out what Bill has to say about it. No answer on the phone or reply to email. I will post when I find out something.
Respectfully,
Stephen Kennedy
 
This post should be renamed when good guys go bad. just further proof that bill cagle takes animals produce by others and names them what he wants. a real good guy huh? whats funny is that all those people that were so quick to defend bill before have suddenly gotten extreamly quiet.personally i think that everyone in the boa comunity should email or call bill and let him know exactly how wrong he is and send him a link to this thread.see if he has the stones to share his side of the story. i for one would like to hear it. maybe one of the now so very quiet "we love capt cungle club" can make this happen.
 
John, Don't get me wrong. I think what you are doing is well deserved, and aplaud your effort. However, I would like to see a bit more tact. I would hate to see all of this usefull info lost in HELL simply because we go overboard.
 
ok if you can possibly explain to me exactly how im being untactfull here i would greatly apreciate it. i dont find my self being out of line ive been reading the boi for a long time and ive seen people get slamed alot harder for alot less . and here we have bill and either people want to turn thier heads and ignore it or treat him with kid gloves
1. the guy blatantly misrepresents animals on a regular basis
2. he blatantly renames animals purchased from others and makes up history for them that is totaly false
3. offers a 100% satisfaction garuntee on his animals until someone actually wants thier money back then he conviently changes it to 48 hours
and the list goes on and on and you imply im being untactful? well i dont think i am but if i was is this a person who deserves tact and respect? this is someone who deserves to be tared and feathered and run right out of the reptile comunity before he divises a new scheme to defraud people im sorry if im coming across a bit harsh but hey im a new yorker lol i see it like this every time a person like hime does something like this it makes it that much harder for you and me to sell our animals please dont take this the wrong way dave i have nothing but the utmost respect for you and your animals and this is not intened to be harsh twoards you . once again im sorry if i've offended anyone
john peraza
"cungle" free since 1970
 
John, I agree with everything you said. There were more harsh treatments of bad guys in the past. A lot of name calling, and dead horse beating was done. That was prior to the creation of the HELL section though. I just really don't want to see this thread sent there. It is too valuable here on the BOI. I will shut up now. I see where you are coming from, and you see what I am saying. We have our mutual respect, and I am done...for now.
 
what a shame!

Stephen sorry to see what has transpired. I hope you can get whats yours back and some type of closure with the pursuits you have taken ...

just so you know KS aint gonna do diddly ( its Jeffs income) if he cancels accounts lol

Someone asked how many other people have been taken by cungle ? id say all of them .While he does have some nice snakes he IMHO ask to much for everyone ofthem .And i to use to think cagle was a decent guy until the entire IBD ordeal he had where he took no claim in sending someone a snake with IBD then blamed the IBD on the person he got it from ... and wouldnt refund the customers monies AFTER showing him proof he sent him a snake with IBD ... hey Billy ..... remember that nice snake skin and vet report you were shown then refused to handle .. ur a waste of flesh and now this wannabe hypo hogg? dude you should have ur a@@ kicked in for that stunt i hope you crash hard and burn hot for you sales antics you have taken on . Its a shame to cause you peddle some nice stuff.
Long live the Cungle King .... ( in your own imagination)
how many new morphs will you be producing this year Billy?
 
Nothing new to add

The reason for my silence is I have nothing new to contribute. I have already publicly changed side to the "cagle bad guy club" and also listed my dealings with him. I see no reason to type just to hear myself talk and lengthen this thread unessecerarily. Makes it longer and less likely to be read by the people we are trying to save from cagle. Something new or exciting comes along I will be happy to jump back in the fray.
 
An Appeal to Bill

Bill, If you're reading this thread then you know this can't possibly help your business. From the picture provided I or anyone else that knows better would not consider that animal to be even close to a hypo hogg cross. Although it may be the product or should I say byproduct of such a cross it is by no means what this person bargained for. Please do the right thing and take care of this situation before you completely destroy your credibility.
You've sold many beautiful animals over the years but there's a very good saying I'd like to give you that is said on Wall Street. It is "stick to your last." This means if you're successful at something and doing well at it don't change anything! It's a very good piece of advice I hope you'll heed. Please take a moment and put yourself in this person's shoes.
Are you going to do the right thing which is to make your customer happy or live by the "there's an ass for every seat" philosophy?
 
I came to defend Bill
I was gonna say that "Technically"
All Hoggs are hypos
blah blah blah

But d@mn
He could be the biggest most respected breeder on earth.....
He might deserve the benefit of the doubt.
But after seeing that picture I would have done a 180 and ran away.

they might have been a by product of a hypoXhogg.
but they should not have been sold as hypo hoggs.
That ain't no hypo and it ain't no hogg.

But then again I should not and could not say they could have been the product of a hypoXhogg. Because the person Bill bought those animals from says differently.

And I think what he says is acceptable because it is not anonymous. There is a name attached to that third party post. Now if onlyyoucan copy and paste his e-mail including headers.


and to the guy in another post who says "friends" of "moderators" and advertisers, get special treatment....... YEAH RIGHT <---sarcasm
 
i was sent this...

email by some one who sent bill this link asking for his side of the story here is bills email reply

__________________________________________________
Forwarded Message:
Subj: YADA YADA YADA....
Date: 6/29/2004 10:01:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Bcaglereps
To: SMAKNHOETS



I COULD CARE LESS WHAT ANYONE SAYS ON THE BOI. THAT IS A SITE FOR FOOLS. MY REPUTATION IS SECOND TO NONE AND MY ANIMALS ARE THE BEST AVAILABLE IN THE HOBBY TODAY.

THANKS, BILL

____________________________________________________

we may be fools bill but not only can we tell the difference between a hypo hogg and a normal common columbian but we can also tell the difference between a "good guy" and a "bad guy". your throwing away your reputation for $350 and you call us the fools.
John peraza
"cungle" free since 1970
 
Same thing he told me

Hey John that comment from Bill doesn't surprise me a bit because he basically told me the same thing on the phone the last conversation I had with him.
Respectfully,
Stephen Kennedy
 
Well fools have long memories.

I have avoided posting this for many years, as it did not directly involve me. However seeing as we are all fools, might as well be educated fools.

Back during the whole Chris Red deal with Bill (the ibd issue) at the Birmingham show (I believe) Bill sold a very good friend of mine a suri.

Well the following day we did a show in St Louis. A very well known collector of bcc approached my buddy and asked for details on the suri.

My buddy explained the known background on the snake, and that it was just aquired the day prior. Instandly the person says "I know that snake, it has NO TOUNGE and came from a collection with IBD".

Well sure enough the snake had no tounge. It turns out the snake had been sold a week or soo earlier to this collector and RETURNED TO BILL BECAUSE IT HAD NO TOUNGE AND WAS FROM THE INFECTED COLLECTION.

When bill had his kid or young friend (not sure on that one) sell it to my good buddy NO MENTION WAS MADE OF THE LACK OF TOUNGE OR EXPOSURE TO IBD.

I have sat on this story for over 2 years always cringing when I see the name Cagle. As far as Im concerned he will do or say anything for a sale.
 
OMG HE'S AT IT AGAIN...

Look at his new misrepresented animal does this guys audacity have ANY limits?? now he's saying this animal looks like a leopard . Well at least this time he added the word "looks" so he's not really representing it as such but how come everytime he has a normal boa he has to ad proven morph names to it wasnt he a purest who detested morphs at one time? here is the ad you decide for your selves wether this animal even comes close to "looking" like a leopard
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=228556
imposting the link because i have no idea how to doa screen shot so if someonecould do that it would be cool
 
i had questioned his ethics/ morals once on KS forums

when he was using the term "jungles" on the bolvians i think it he has he used the term /prhase " I saw the money Jungles were demanding over normals " i asked him if he was in this for animals or money he replied "Animals not the money" so i then asked why if that was the case was he so worried about getting into jungle then if it wasnt for the amount of $$$ they bring in .. well needless to say it was deleted by the gustapo of KS
 
heres that boa .... HMMM lepoard looking my A@@

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