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Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

Maggie,

I think Jim's insurance question was relevant to THIS situation for reasons he has explained. I am not sure why you posted yours. And I agree, under normal circumstances it would be quite inappropriate to ask someone to provide that kind information. Sorry to hear about your wreck.
 
Aw shucks, Jim...

I'm not grouching at you, so please don't take it that way. You didn't bring up the insurance deal, Bill did. Another way to garner sympathy? Probably.

At the moment I'm finding it hard to believe anything Bill has ever told me over the course of our "relationship".

Just to set the record straight, though, there was no deposit so he didn't have anything to refund, we hadn't progressed that far. The timing was either incredibly bad or incredibly good depending on your outlook. :)
 
Jim O said:
Maggie,

I am glad all is proceeding "well" for you. I mentioned Bill's insurance only because it pointed to another inconsistency in his story. He claimed that he fabricated the story about the box because he needed money because he had to have surgery and had no insurance. At other times he claimed to have been retired military. All retired military in good standing have access to full health care benefits...so unless he is no longer in good standing or not really retired military he should have insurance. Hence my meaning was simply that there is yet another unanswered question that simply points to another lie. Nothing more.

Did Bill refund your deposit?
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((((Maggie)))))I hope you feel better, body and soul.....

I have not read every single page of this thread but Bill seems to have had a lot of misfortune. He did not call me while he was purportedly in Texas, but did call after he returned home, to say that part of his house had burned down while he was gone. Then I read about his medical woes.

If the fire and medical problems are true, that is a lot to be visited on one person, in such a short time. But at that point, there might have even been an outpouring of help. I even suggested an old fashioned 'barn raising', to broadcast the news of the fire and to see if any Fauna community members in the area would have pitched in and helped repair the fire damage.

Now, there is nothing but questions and heartache in me, it is intensely uncomfortable to wonder what is true, and what is not. As more and more information emerges, I think many of us mirror those questions and feelings.
 
I've pretty much stayed out of this, primarily based on the speed at which the thread has progressed: by the time I would get around to reading the several new pages after logging on, multiple people had already made posts that were virtually identical to any opinion or thought I had.

However, with these new revelations of theft charges and house burnings, I think I'll go ahead and throw some things in.

First of all, to Bill: if the UPS employee theft tale is true, did you not find it excruciating to know that the police were contacting you to discuss the ARREST and INCARCERATION of someone who had done EXACTLY what you did? (You know, stole something?) What frickin' chutzpah. You are an amazing role model to your children.

I also find it wholely unbelievable that Lee would have been notified of the arrest of the UPS employee but NOT notified that the animal had been recovered. The desperation that is fueling Bill's attempts at credibility is also causing him to weave completely incredible paths from untruth to untruth. Regardless, if Lee wanted to put the issue to rest, he is certainly able to contact UPS with that tracking number and ask them to disclose the validity of any of the statements Bill made about this Dragnet scenario.

To those who supported Bill: Do NOT let this man's despicable and disgraceful actions cause YOU any shame. You are good, trusting people who have stood up in the name of friendship. Those of us who are less trusting and more pessimistic may not be as susceptible to betrayal, but we are also insulated from many of the joys that your more trusting hearts experience with such frequency.

Finally, to Bill: This is about so much more than $200 or a snake. It's about disgracing the hobby; it's about betraying loyalties; it's about breaking the law; it's about bringing the GGC into disrepute; it's about honor and honesty and deception. Believe it or not, Hotshot, other people have had misfortunes in their life. Illnesses, surgeries, divorces, deaths, adultery, bankruptcy, unemployment....don't justify your own lack of character by letting yourself believe that the rest of the world lives in a shiny happy place. Morals are not formed by one's actions when there is little on the line, but rather when times have become desperate. What it comes down to, Bill, is that moral people choose to do what's right, not what they think won't be discovered. As for your numerous hints that "time will tell" whether or not you've changed your path, save your breath. The very fact that the return of the $200 seems to be sufficient penance in your mind defines the likelihood of your journey going in the right direction. (FYI, Bill, most criminals go to jail, then finish out a period of probation during which they must make restitution....so that $200 should have been paid after your jail time and in addition to your permanent record for larceny.)

As for Bill's suspension....well, the fact that Wes has been silenced and Bill is still able to come here and chuckle and post innuendo is a fine example of how no system is perfect. Yet, I hope Bill continues to come back. It guarantees that he'll always be exposed to more accurate yardsticks by which to measure himself against.
 
I took a stroll past Bill Levertons BOI Good Guy area today.......MAN! does the "Good Guy" side of that wall project a FOUL STENCH!!!.....If I still had my good name hanging on that side of the wall, for all the world to see.......I would remove it POST HASTE!!!......afore some of that STINK rubbed off on MY good name.
 
lucille said:
it is intensely uncomfortable to wonder what is true, and what is not.
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Lucille,

This is what is true:

Bill stole a snake and lied and lied and lied.


This is what is not true:

The remainder of Bill's utterances.


Any questions boys and girls?
 
Ophis said:
I took a stroll past Bill Levertons BOI Good Guy area today.......MAN! does the "Good Guy" side of that wall project a FOUL STENCH!!!.....If I still had my good name hanging on that side of the wall, for all the world to see.......I would remove it POST HASTE!!!......afore some of that STINK rubbed off on MY good name.
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I know you are not directly that solely at me but since I am on the list Ill explain my prospective on my vote.

My vote was made due to an auction here on fauna, Bill was auctioned off to the higest bidder, I won, he sent me a little email certificate of "ownership", silly auction, just a joke but raised $25 for fauna.

I voted positive at that time, I guess it was back in Jan-Feb or around that time, after that Bill and I became friends, I have had numberous phone calls with him about alot of things, not just fauna but about my personal feelings and daily life.

Bill has provided me an ear to cry to and a friendship that is unconditional, he has listened to me at times for an hour or more when I was having a hard day with my children and I needed some moral support and help with things.

Now has Bill done a bad thing? Yes
Is he still my friend? Yes
Will I change my vote to neg? No
Will I remove my positive vote? No

Why you may ask? Because when I am down in the dumps and am at my worst for whatever reason, I need my friends more then than any other time and I need for them to help pull by big behind back up off the floor. They may tell me over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing I did, but they are there to help me get back up, they most certainly do not say hey Wendy you are scum of the earth and leave me to deal with it all on my own.

So bascially, Will I desert my friends on the worst day for whatever it may be that they did, when they need the above? No

If that alters the way some people view me here on fauna or in my personal life, Im sorry, I really am but I am not the kind of person to walk away from a friend when they need me the most. I may tell them over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing they did, but I will also be there to help them get back up.

To me that is the difference between friends a casual associates, your friends are tried and still true, your casual associates run as fast as they can to get as far away as they can and don't look back to see if you can get back up or not.
 
Wendy....that was an awesome post. Regardless of the situation it is applied to, I wish there were more people out there like you, TRUE friendship is hard to come by, and your words have deep meaning. They may fall on deaf ears in this case for some, but an awesome post nonetheless.
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
I know you are not directly that solely at me but since I am on the list Ill explain my prospective on my vote.

My vote was made due to an auction here on fauna, Bill was auctioned off to the higest bidder, I won, he sent me a little email certificate of "ownership", silly auction, just a joke but raised $25 for fauna.

I voted positive at that time, I guess it was back in Jan-Feb or around that time, after that Bill and I became friends, I have had numberous phone calls with him about alot of things, not just fauna but about my personal feelings and daily life.

Bill has provided me an ear to cry to and a friendship that is unconditional, he has listened to me at times for an hour or more when I was having a hard day with my children and I needed some moral support and help with things.

Now has Bill done a bad thing? Yes
Is he still my friend? Yes
Will I change my vote to neg? No
Will I remove my positive vote? No

Why you may ask? Because when I am down in the dumps and am at my worst for whatever reason, I need my friends more then than any other time and I need for them to help pull by big behind back up off the floor. They may tell me over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing I did, but they are there to help me get back up, they most certainly do not say hey Wendy you are scum of the earth and leave me to deal with it all on my own.

So bascially, Will I desert my friends on the worst day for whatever it may be that they did, when they need the above? No

If that alters the way some people view me here on fauna or in my personal life, Im sorry, I really am but I am not the kind of person to walk away from a friend when they need me the most. I may tell them over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing they did, but I will also be there to help them get back up.

To me that is the difference between friends a casual associates, your friends are tried and still true, your casual associates run as fast as they can to get as far away as they can and don't look back to see if you can get back up or not.
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Wendy I understand your points. I would take another into consideration. The GCC is a vote for the business/person is good or bad to do business with. Is he still a good person to do business with?

It has nothing to do with supporting him on anything else.

Yes, Bill can still be your friend but with what you now know your vote states he still is a good guy to do business with.

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Now has Bill done a bad thing? Yes
Is he still my friend? Yes
Will I change my vote to neg? No
Will I remove my positive vote? No
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Will you still recommend him as a good person to do business with. Yes / No
that is all your stateing with your vote.
 
You have got to be kidding!!

Maybe I hold myself to different standards and I am pickier when it comes to choosing my friends but I would never want a known thief, scammer near me.

This reminds me of a show I watched yesterday of people getting married to deathrow inmates. HELLO.....these people took someone's life!!!! I know Bill didn't take anyone's life but the show just reminded me of your friendship with Bill. Are you that hard up for friendship?

If I found out my friend or family member for that matter stole, scammed someone in the manner in which Bill did I would write them off and never talk to them again.

Wendy if you need someone to talk to about a rough day with the kids maybe you need to seek some other guidance than from an admitted scammer. Seriously this guy is a pathological liar and needs a tough lesson.
 
Wendy,

I respect your position and your choice. They are yours to have and to make. But I would ask you if you believe the contents of that e-mail. If you do not, then Bill has not only lied to you verbally and in writing, but he has INVOLVED YOU IN PERPETUATING THOSE LIES by asking you to distribute them. I found this act to be particularly despicable, as I have stated. A true friend would not have asked that of you.

Think about it.
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
I know you are not directly that solely at me but since I am on the list Ill explain my prospective on my vote.

My vote was made due to an auction here on fauna, Bill was auctioned off to the higest bidder, I won, he sent me a little email certificate of "ownership", silly auction, just a joke but raised $25 for fauna.

I voted positive at that time, I guess it was back in Jan-Feb or around that time, after that Bill and I became friends, I have had numberous phone calls with him about alot of things, not just fauna but about my personal feelings and daily life.

Bill has provided me an ear to cry to and a friendship that is unconditional, he has listened to me at times for an hour or more when I was having a hard day with my children and I needed some moral support and help with things.

Now has Bill done a bad thing? Yes
Is he still my friend? Yes
Will I change my vote to neg? No
Will I remove my positive vote? No

Why you may ask? Because when I am down in the dumps and am at my worst for whatever reason, I need my friends more then than any other time and I need for them to help pull by big behind back up off the floor. They may tell me over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing I did, but they are there to help me get back up, they most certainly do not say hey Wendy you are scum of the earth and leave me to deal with it all on my own.

So bascially, Will I desert my friends on the worst day for whatever it may be that they did, when they need the above? No

If that alters the way some people view me here on fauna or in my personal life, Im sorry, I really am but I am not the kind of person to walk away from a friend when they need me the most. I may tell them over and over what a stupid, ignorant and foul thing they did, but I will also be there to help them get back up.

To me that is the difference between friends a casual associates, your friends are tried and still true, your casual associates run as fast as they can to get as far away as they can and don't look back to see if you can get back up or not.
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I understand your perspective and its certainly your prerogative if you want to keep your name on the "Bill Leverton Good Guy Ledger". I think however that the BOI Good Guy program speaks more to business ethics or lack thereof than if you have a warm and fuzzy feeling in the cockles of your heart for the entity. A person checking the BOI Good Guy forum is interested in being able to buy with confidence, not weather or not you still like a scammer. Keeping your name in his good guy column IMO does a disservice to those honest Heep hobbyists who are looking for a fair shake as well as the system as a whole. If you want to support Bill of a personal level, I understand where you are coming from, but to support him on a business level after his true colors shined sooooo brightly through....not cool.

I would think of ALL of the people who would want to pull your support it would be you, since you were clearly targeted to be his main victim when he conspired to gather a group of supporters together to help shield him from the wrath of the BOI. IMO he is playing you for a fool.
 
Why?

critical bill said:
..for another lockdown on this thread.
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Those of you that have had your say through the initial pages of this fiasco can cry lockdown if you feel you must, but some of us were not involved in the initial tarring and feathering process.

Do you have any idea how long a 55 gallon barrel of tar takes to heat up? And those darn chickens! I have to keep chasing them to pluck them! Where in the world is my paint brush?! :raspberry :dgrin:
 
OK I think of it this way, at the time I cast my positive vote my "transaction" was positive, too bad there are not dates on the votes so people can see when votes were cast and know that they were made before or after other happenings.

When I leave feedback anywhere else, I cannot go back and change it if I find out the person and screwed someone else my feedback is still based on my tracnsaction only and not based on that of transactions with others.

At the time I cast my vote, votes could not be deleted so I made it knowing it would be there forever, just because the rules changed and you can now change your vote does not change the reason I gave the vote at that time.

People can also look at the trader ratings and see what transaction I had that was positive.
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
OK I think of it this way, at the time I cast my positive vote my "transaction" was positive, too bad there are not dates on the votes so people can see when votes were cast and know that they were made before or after other happenings.

When I leave feedback anywhere else, I cannot go back and change it if I find out the person and screwed someone else my feedback is still based on my tracnsaction only and not based on that of transactions with others.

At the time I cast my vote, votes could not be deleted so I made it knowing it would be there forever, just because the rules changed and you can now change your vote does not change the reason I gave the vote at that time.

People can also look at the trader ratings and see what transaction I had that was positive.
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In the words of S.E.Hinton.....That was then, This is now.....the rules were changed for just this reason......you had a good business transaction with bill at one time...that is recorded as you stated in the trader ratings for all to view. He has shown now that he can not be trusted and you have the ability to change your voote accordingly since the system was IMPROVED in order to allow you to do so.
 
Bthacker said:
You have got to be kidding!!

Maybe I hold myself to different standards and I am pickier when it comes to choosing my friends but I would never want a known thief, scammer near me.

If I found out my friend or family member for that matter stole, scammed someone in the manner in which Bill did I would write them off and never talk to them again.
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All people are different and Im glad you can do that and since you can I am also glad you are not my friend. If I were to make a HUGE HORRIBLE mistake and need you to slap my down and tell my how fouly I screwed up but then need you to be there to help me back up, you'd slap me down and walk away, I do not need that kind of people in my life. I need true, unconditional family and friends.

I know what Bill did, that does not change the friendship he has given me for several months now, now had this happened before we had become friends, I would not have run over to become friends either.

And in the words of Forest Gump "thats all I have to say about that"
 
dragonflyreptiles said:
All people are different and Im glad you can do that and since you can I am also glad you are not my friend. If I were to make a HUGE HORRIBLE mistake and need you to slap my down and tell my how fouly I screwed up but then need you to be there to help me back up, you'd slap me down and walk away, I do not need that kind of people in my life. I need true, unconditional family and friends.

I know what Bill did, that does not change the friendship he has given me for several months now, now had this happened before we had become friends, I would not have run over to become friends either.

And in the words of Forest Gump "thats all I have to say about that"
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Life is like a box of............oh nevermind.......I thought we could separate business/personal for the sake of future BOI Good Guy users.....guess not.
 
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