Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

[daniel1983]

The poor get welfare...the rich get building permits...which often destroy herp habitat. Which is easier, rich or poor?

What kinda of comment is that?...rich or poor? Was that directed just a Bill or just a general comment? That really has nothing to do with the topic too. I don't know what you have done in your life, but I am not rich, have been on welfare, have gotten building permits , and have never destroyed a herp habitat.

Lee has not posted in a while. I would like to hear more input from him since he is the person that had money involved in this deal.

I am glad to see that even a 'good guy' that does something wrong will be dealt with here. I think that the BOI Good Guy Certification works great. Bill may have been 100% good guy when his certification was received but he did something wrong and is being held accountable. I like that and it makes me feel more secure about the BOI system.....EVERYONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DO.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

First of all, I must apologize for what I am about to ask everyone to do.

I jumped the gun when I deleted Bill's BOI Good Guy Certification. That was not my place to do and is not in the spirit of how the program is suppossed to work. Myself and the other MODs are not going to act like judges when it comes to issues like this. This will be left up to all of you, the Fauna Members.

What this means is you need to go to his certification poll and vote. (I have put it back up.) If and when it falls into the negative, then his certification can be pulled. Those that have voted in the past can delete that vote and vote again. This is how the program was designed to work. You, the Fauna Members, decide who is a good guy or not.

Again, I am truely sorry for my mistake and any confusion this may cause. This is entirely my fault and I will accept all the heat for the blunder.

Dennis

I don't believe any blunder was made. You did not arbitrarily decide to strip him of the certification....he requested it. If he were arguing against it's deletion, I can see you leaving it up. Leaving it up against his wishes is the worse blunder.

 

[The Constrictor Zone]

This site has a ton of hipocrites

Im not pointing fingers but if the shoe fits wear it
I have never seen anyone get treated on here with so much respect that friggin ROBBED someone. Thier has been people accused of **** Who gets gunned down. This goes to show that everything has some coruption esp.if self governing!

 

[devenomized]

Here is the explanation I got in over my head with the buying of boas and thought I could some how make this all right in time but it just started to pile up to the point where I had nothing left and made a wrong turn ..A big wrong turn. as for emotion I dont really know how to type emotion other then those funny little icons I screwed up and you cant see the tears that stream or the void I feel .Its really hard to go from being on Mount High to now being with the low lifes of this hobby, Wes you and everyone else cant think any less of me then I think of myself there are no excuses here just down right stupidity

I was reading a reply you made earlier today and you mentioned something your grandfather told you. I think if your grandfather still around, he would give you a beating for what you did to his name. very sad! Everyone makes mistakes at some point in our lives, but your mistake carries criminal implications if taken to the right authorities. I honestly hope you NEVER do this crap again... leave that to the www.ebolamonkeyman.com

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

OK.....I just read through this whole thing and I am pretty floored. I don't know either of the two parties involved so my opinion is completely neutral minded. If Bill is serious about pulling this scam and is he not being sarcastic with his remorseful and down in the dumps posts then by all means his good guy certification should be pulled because he is not a good guy....good guys don't do things like this, not even once.

 

[The Constrictor Zone]

I think that came out abit wrong

Everyone knows I have a wonderful way with words. Its human nature to try and help you one of your fellow peers. Everyone truley wants to see others do well for the most part. What I more lesswas trying to say Next time Joe Blow robs Jane Blow try and help this person instead of bashing them. It only helps society as a whole if some can be helped from acting in self destructing ways , because 9 times out a 10 those destructive behaviors affects others. So by helping that person your helping yourself as well a little self-help mutual-help. EVERYONE BENEFITS!

 

[pch101]

" jumped the gun when I deleted Bill's BOI Good Guy Certification. That was not my place to do and is not in the spirit of how the program is suppossed to work. Myself and the other MODs are not going to act like judges when it comes to issues like this. This will be left up to all of you, the Fauna Members.

What this means is you need to go to his certification poll and vote. (I have put it back up.) If and when it falls into the negative, then his certification can be pulled. Those that have voted in the past can delete that vote and vote again. This is how the program was designed to work. You, the Fauna Members, decide who is a good guy or not.

Again, I am truely sorry for my mistake and any confusion this may cause. This is entirely my fault and I will accept all the heat for the blunder."
Dennis Thomas

Dennis, I think you are ok, no one is going to fault you here for doing what you thought was right. I would not worry too much. You are still a Super moderator!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Bill I had to leave soon after this first started this morning and didn’t have a chance to state what a Good Guy I perceived you to be. I had a very bad feeling after briefly comparing the pictures.
As I read this, I would have never believed that we would be at this point tonight.
Bill, I am saddened and sick to my stomach that this is what it is.
I can understand hardship. I can’t understand this. My first thoughts naturally would be to post something along the same lines as Wes did but I cannot.
You see I believe the BOI is a great tool and I don’t see it as entertainment as so many people have posted in the past.
Bill you earned the respect of many people here, Look what Wendy and others have done for you alone in this thread. I can’t believe someone would put their “friends” through this.
You have participated in bringing past scammers to light on different threads; you have vouched for other “GOOD GUYS”. People have bought from people based on your posts and have passed on purchases based on whole or part on your posts.
As much as I would like to, I am not going to say you can make this up or in time get back to the same point you were at before. I am not going to do it.
I know you have posted in the past problems with transactions and as others have stated you need speak-up if there were any other situations. Have you ever claimed that you have not received an animal before?
Real or not?

This is probably the hardest post I have ever had to make. It’s probably the first time I will not be in agreement with the majority of people I respect here.

I can’t agree with cutting you any slack or making any excuses for you. I am not going to write you up a road map on how to get back up to the top. What you did is such a big problem for many here already.
It is hard enough to trust anyone as it is.
Instead, I am going to handle it the same way all of us including you have in the past on so many threads.
Bill, I am sorry. You’re a liar and thief and yes a scammer. Anyone in their right mind will NEVER trust you again.

 

[DThomas]

Dennis

I don't believe any blunder was made. You did not arbitrarily decide to strip him of the certification....he requested it. If he were arguing against it's deletion, I can see you leaving it up. Leaving it up against his wishes is the worse blunder.

I understand what you're saying John. But right now, I am going with how Rich intended this program to work.

I ask everyone to please read the following thread, ALL the way through, and you will better understand why I made the decision I did. And you will also see Rich had already thought about this type of situation by allowing votes to be changed.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64249

 

[devenomized]

Let's just hope the next EBOLAMONKEYMAN award won't be someone holding a sign saying "Mr. Bill Leberton".

 

[pch101]

"You gotta be KIDDING me!"
Joe Black

I was a little surprised myself to see Wes's softer side in this case. However, this is a very unusual situation, and I think he sees something in Bill that many are not seeing. I think it is the way he is not making up any lame excusses (once he confessed). I also think it was the way Bill seemed to not have the stomach to fight it out and that he did not go for the kill and take the extra $165.00 when he had the opportunity. These things show a conscience is at work in Bill (a fact that Bill did not count on himself). All this said, I was still surprised by Wes. He can be a very hard core guy when it comes to calling out scammers.

 

[pch101]

"First of all, I'm nobody here. Secondly, those of you who jumped the orginal poster (remember him) saying he owed Bill an apology need to put your hat in your hands and step up to the apology plate."

I agree 100%! What happened to Lee, and the fact that for the fifst few pages of this thread he was questioned and told that he should apologize to Bill by more than one of you. Now it is time to put your money where youe mouth is. In other words, it's apology time...

 

[Wilomn]

I am hardcore with hardcore scammers. So far I have no eveidence that Bill is such. Until I do I'll continue as I am.

I am in no way dismissing this with a mere slap on the wrist. I've never done business with Bill, I don't believe I've ever spoken with him in person or in chat, we may have emailed or pm'd about someone, I don't recall.

I just have a feeling that there is something more at work here. That's all. The same little voice that says, " hey, essay, is that TUNA?" is now saying that there is a piece missing in this diarama.

Or maybe there isn't and I just really wish there was.

Either way Bill is NOT trying to lie his way out of this, he's not making excuses, now, he's taking the crap he's dished up for himself. He's doing it without whining or bitching or complaining, too much, about it too.

He tried to steal a snake and got caught. Ok. Apparently it's a first. If it's not then he's REALLY good. Now what?

This isn't some newbie that has no name and no history. This is not some known crook or suspected scammer. This is an up til now good guy who seriously screwed up.

I am HARDLY the one to cut slack to anyone and I do NOT believe that everyone is redeemable. I think Bill is.

So, while I won't trust him blindly, while I'll probably never forget this, while I'll always wonder if there will be another time, I'll hope that this incident is singular in nature.

Who reading this hasn't screwed up big time? Who here hasn't made a dumbass move that you wished you had a chance to make over again?

I don't know why but I am lead to those thoughts, not the ones of dollar signs and toilet seats I get when I think of known scumbags and scammers like sal and ken and cmg and their ilk.

That's what I think of this.

Bill, is there something else you haven't told us yet?

 

[pch101]

"He can be a very hard core guy when it comes to calling out scammers." Me

By the way Wes, I mean that in a good way. I have a great deal of respect for you and your no nonsense way of saying what is on your mind, as well as your insite and objectivity when you look at a situation.

 

[ReptileZone1]

Bill if you have anything else to say, come clean like Wes said. If you get caught while in another one, then it's game over. Period. If there is anything else to say. Now is the time. You blew it once don't make it twice.

 

[Greg Riso]

"Certified Good Guy"???

Dennis, you asked for our vote and mine can clearly be read for others to see. If anyone can vote otherwise then we have quite a different opinion of what a "certified good guy" is. Yes, Bill has owned up to what he's done, but only after getting caught. What if Lee hadn't spotted the animal posted at Reptibid? I sincerely doubt anyone would have ever known the truth. Dennis has made it clear what is needed to revoke Bill's status as a Fauna certified good guy so I feel everyone here should stand up and be counted.
One statement that hits home is the following:
QUOTE=dutchoven]Do you know what pisses me off more than anything? I have been out of the herp field for 10 years and just recently got back into this. 10 years ago the thought of scamming someone just was not there. I have had to learn to take my time to figure out who I can trust and who I cannot. One of the first deals I looked at doing was with Sal of Boca. I come to the BOI and bam, I see his reputation is not a favorable one to say the least. The BOI saved me. I had a list of 10 or so people that I just knew I could trust and dammit, Bills name was one of them. Who the hell can a person trust now adays? It's people like Bill that are causing individuals like me to only deal with people when I am physically standing in front of them. Bill, you just took everything I knew to be correct and threw it out the window for me. Whose to say that I can trust these other 9 people on my list now? Thanks alot Bill for shattering my reality. You are getting off way to easily.

Bob Woodard[/QUOTE]

Why does this bother me? For one thing, I'm planning on shipping an animal to Bob in two days. Hope I'm one of the 9 others remaining on your list Bob! Actions such as Bill's make things harder for honest people like me. Even though I've got scores of happy customers and nothing but positive threads here I can't become certified because I don't have a website to attach the certificate to. My procrastination in getting one put together is the only thing I'm guilty of lol.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

Bill if you have anything else to say, come clean like Wes said. If you get caught while in another one, then it's game over. Period. If there is anything else to say. Now is the time. You blew it once don't make it twice.

Jon, I think the "if you have anything else to say" issue has been posted enough times that Bill has seen it loud and clear.

I think that maybe in time, Bill will come out with more to say. If there is anymore, we don't know. May not be anything more to post?!?!?!?

But strangling him with more and more "come clean" comments is not going to speed things along. At this point I think he has said enough. The main topic at hand was completely blown open for all to see. Anything else is just a minor player in this drama.

 

[A_Kendergirl]

I have to say, this whole mess is gut-wrenching to say the least. I understand that desperate times can make a normally good person become irrational and do bad things. Bill, you have a very long and hard road to travel to regain everyone's trust. There are people who will never trust you again. I do not feel that you are beyond redemption.

Even when you were denying why you did, it was never with conviction. While I don't agree with what you have done at all, I have a small amount of respect for the fact that you DID confess, and that you are now sleeping in the bed you have made without a fuss.

Is this the only time you have done this? I hope so..but the only person that knows that for sure is yourself.

I feel I'm generally good at judging character, and my feeling are that you are a good guy that has lost his way. I hope I'm right. If you have lost your way, you can find your way back, though even best case your reputation will still be tarnished.

 

[Ophis]

To all of the people who smell something fishy with all of this, I say this is either some insane April Fools joke gone bad, or exactly what it is, plain and simple.

To all of the people who are going easy on Bill, suggesting that deep down he is really a good guy and all of that other malarky, would your toon be the same if YOU were the one he ROBBED?

Just try to put yourself in Bills shoes. Can you even concieve of perpetrating the act he fully admited too AFTER his back was up against the wall with no way out??

If Bill had the capability to concieve of and carry out the theft he claims he commited, he should be treated like the scammer he claimes to be.

I'm sorry man, but anyone who can contemplate, plan and carry out this type low down crap deserves absolutly NO sympathy, one timeBOI good guy or not. That fact just makes it all the worse.

 

[devenomized]

I am hardcore with hardcore scammers. So far I have no eveidence that Bill is such. Until I do I'll continue as I am.

I am in no way dismissing this with a mere slap on the wrist. I've never done business with Bill, I don't believe I've ever spoken with him in person or in chat, we may have emailed or pm'd about someone, I don't recall.

I just have a feeling that there is something more at work here. That's all. The same little voice that says, " hey, essay, is that TUNA?" is now saying that there is a piece missing in this diarama.

Or maybe there isn't and I just really wish there was.

Either way Bill is NOT trying to lie his way out of this, he's not making excuses, now, he's taking the crap he's dished up for himself. He's doing it without whining or bitching or complaining, too much, about it too.

He tried to steal a snake and got caught. Ok. Apparently it's a first. If it's not then he's REALLY good. Now what?

This isn't some newbie that has no name and no history. This is not some known crook or suspected scammer. This is an up til now good guy who seriously screwed up.

I am HARDLY the one to cut slack to anyone and I do NOT believe that everyone is redeemable. I think Bill is.

So, while I won't trust him blindly, while I'll probably never forget this, while I'll always wonder if there will be another time, I'll hope that this incident is singular in nature.

Who reading this hasn't screwed up big time? Who here hasn't made a dumbass move that you wished you had a chance to make over again?

I don't know why but I am lead to those thoughts, not the ones of dollar signs and toilet seats I get when I think of known scumbags and scammers like sal and ken and cmg and their ilk.

That's what I think of this.

Bill, is there something else you haven't told us yet?

Maybe you didn't read it, but Bill said he "stole" the boa. HELLO???