Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

[pch101]

I think it is great that you keep coming back. It reminds us (and anyone else that visits here) of how foolish you are.

 

[Lucille]

No got caught at the only bad deal....The one and only But if you can prove different then prove it

Bill, you should know, since you told me you had legal training, that I do not need to prove anything; all I need is to point out your inconsistencies. I didn't even have to break a sweat to do that, in fact, you did it yourself on this thread.

 

[pch101]

I found this nice little nugget on another thread. It is yet another example of Bil's incredible ability to rationalize anything he wants to.

Originally Posted by Karen Hulvey
"Please point out where the fraud comes in? Methinks you didn't read those threads very well. However there is a thread that has scam written all over it. It consists of lying, stealing, multiple screen names and shill bidding. What more could you want?"
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...ead.php?t=70240

Bills response: "Scam nothing it was paid and its you that needs to read nobody in that thread wanted nothing more then a hanging. was what I did right no but then again I wont lie down and die over 1 deal gone south...And yes my ole lady bidding on my snakes wasnt cool ...so do I beat her up for it??"

What do you mean Scam nothing???? You seem to have the ability in your mind to take your misdeeds and twist them into totally acceptable behavior. What do you call what you pulled on Lee? Can you answer that? Please don't answer if you are going to say a mistake. Ya, you paid Lee back, but only after YOU GOT CAUGHT RED HANDED, and only after 20 pages of your lies and denial. If it was not a scam then what was it. I guess you could just call it out right theft, but you seem to think it was a loan. Yes and we know that you consider shill bidding "salting the mine", and I am sure that you think that the ridicules secret e-mail that you sent out was just creative writing. How do you do it Bill? How do you justify all of this?

 

[Chris@TSE]

who cares.... really....

a thousand posts and guess what? nothing has changed. he still scammed someone, he still got caught, and he still stooped to pathetically low standards in order to try and make excuses for himself. Even by using "fake" or questionable aliases.....

I mean, really, there isn't much left to be done. Bill did it all for you.

People will always remember. His presence alone will remind people........ Let him stay if he wishes.... at least you wont need to hire anyone to dig the grave.

As for bleeding this on any further, its pointless. Give it up. He's already received more attention than he deserves, not to mention it's simply getting old.

 

[Lucille]

who cares.... really....

a thousand posts and guess what? nothing has changed. he still scammed someone, he still got caught, and he still stooped to pathetically low standards in order to try and make excuses for himself. Even by using "fake" or questionable aliases.....

I mean, really, there isn't much left to be done. Bill did it all for you.

People will always remember. His presence alone will remind people........ Let him stay if he wishes.... at least you wont need to hire anyone to dig the grave.

As for bleeding this on any further, its pointless. Give it up. He's already received more attention than he deserves, not to mention it's simply getting old.

Chris, I care about right and wrong. I for one do not feel easy about someone who has done what Bill did, lying low for a week and then returning and posting as if nothing happened.

I understand that you feel this thread is now pointless, but I do not. I believe part of the function of the BOI is for people to express how they feel when someone lies or scams, and in fact what with all of Bill's *recent* behavior, the shill bidding, the broken promises not to post here, I think that people's continuing feelings on the matter are valid, and that they should be able to express them.

 

[Chris@TSE]

dont get me wrong, i agree...

but there IS a difference between expressing how one feels and repeating themselves to hear thier own voice and drag out a topic. Its obvious many who have contributed have only done so to keep this topic "above the others"

granted I feel it should be, but at what cost.....

 

[ms_terese]

I understand that you feel this thread is now pointless, but I do not. I believe part of the function of the BOI is for people to express how they feel when someone lies or scams, and in fact what with all of Bill's *recent* behavior, the shill bidding, the broken promises not to post here, I think that people's continuing feelings on the matter are valid, and that they should be able to express them.

I understand how you feel, Lucille. You should absolutely be able to post here about what has transpired. The only negative aspect of that is that it makes Bill happy (he is SO loving the attention) and it gives him the opportunity to lie some more. In most situations, it's absolutely essential for people to discuss their honest feelings about any sort of disagreement or misunderstanding. However, in Bill's case, that sort of exposure is only used to to calculate the next manipulation, as was evidenced by the secret "The UPS Guy Did It" email. So, protect yourself.

 

[DaveyFig]

Lucille, I too agree that posting what you feel is apreciated on the BOI. However, you had 4-5 posts in a row where you were trying to explain that you had caught Bill in a lie. Bill has been caught in many BIG lies in this thread, and it does nothing to repeat over and over that he lied about not posting here again. On many many threads there are people that claim that they will not return, for whatever reason. Whether it is because they need time to cool off, are trying to hide, or just really don't think there is any more to add, they say they wont be back. More times than not they cool off, come out of hiding, or feel the need to add something. BIG DEAL!
BIll has made a pretty prickley bed here, adding one more little thorn(a microscopic blunted one at that) isn't doing anything to effect the thread. The only thing it did is added 5 pages to the thread for those of us who are set to 5 posts a page.
Blah Blah Blah.
Bill is bad.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Bill,

I would suggest laying low on this thread. Try to get some good deals going and let any satisfied customers add to this thread.

If anyone after reading this thread buys from Bill, what they have to say would be meaningless in my IMO. I would say it would reflect on them as much as Bill.

Lucille for what it is worth, it was more than twice.

To anyone else who has bought from Bill, who cares how those deals went before this. If you won an auction, I bet your wishing you had a screen capture of who bid before you won.

Keep it in perspective, Bill just came on this thread and said again
"I only had one bad deal out of thirty". It is not a "Bad Deal", it was a theft.
Bill justified bidding on his own auction

Its called selling a product

In the the real world it called salting the mine...

then

And yes my ole lady bidding on my snakes wasnt cool ...so do I beat her up for it??"

Which is it?


OH and Bill,

Well the way I see it is, I paid my $100 to be here

Did you not pay $25 and then you were bumped up to Benefactor for contributing before the new rules came to be?

 

[Bill_Leverton]

OH and Bill,[/COLOR]
Did you not pay $25 and then you were bumped up to Benefactor for contributing before the new rules came to be?

Nope heres the reciept
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[gmherps]

who cares.... really....

a thousand posts and guess what? nothing has changed.

My point EXACTLY!!!!

 

[pch101]

"a thousand posts and guess what? nothing has changed."

"My point EXACTLY!!!!"

I find it very interesting that there individuals that were not originally involved in this thread at its beginning, that take it upon themselves to come here and tell everyone to stop posting. I am personally tired of people coming here saying things like this thread is going nowhere and that it is a dead horse that is being flogged. There has been a lot accomplished on this thread. Bill eventually got caught, and eventually Lee got paid back. That was an accomplishment. Then the thread went a bit off track, but sometimes that is just inevitable. It was subsequently locked and then opened Because LEE asked for it to be opened. Bill and Lee both confirmed that he was paid back, and then Bill then got caught in yet another big web of lies with his (now notorious) "secret e-mail" then Bill got caught shill bidding, and came here and went on a rampage.

My point is this: All through this entire thread there have been those that have felt the need to say that the posting should end. If it did end then there many things that we would not know now. Knowledge is Power, and ignorance is bliss. Right? Now, my questions to these people (not just Gregh and Chris) are: Where were you when we needed someone to step up and make a proper photo ID? And, who are you to tell us to stop posting? Honestly, nobody is forcing you to read any of this, but, instead you do, and then you post your complaint about how long this is (adding to the length with your post), but you expect everyone else to stop posting. Kind of self centered isn't it. Hypocritical also comes to mind. This is simple, if you don't like it, don't read it. And if you think it is too long than practice what you preach, and stop posting yourself. See how easy that is...

 

[Chris@TSE]

It was obvious from the photos that the snakes were one and the same..... It didnt take fifty people to point that out. It is obvious he has proven himself to be a scammer, liar, and all around bad guy. It does not take thousands of posts to figure that one out either. My comments are regarding AFTER all of this has been found to be true, the rest... well.... is rather pointless. It's just amazing after all is said and done and we've all now seen what Bill is capable of how far people will go to keep rehashing the same information.

Is there something I'm missing? Are we waiting on confirmation for something? Perhaps another scam? Confirmation on another lie? Or are we just basically baiting in order to add more fuel to the fire or keep this thread at the top of the BOI?

I'm all for nailing scammers, trust me... Most of you already know this fact VERY well.
I just dont see someone like bill deserving all the extra attention. The case has been shut and closed for quite some time... unless I'm missing something?

Just seems like the only point of this thread since all of these things have been 'confirmed' is to bait someone we already know has lied and scammed. This is nothing new folks

And dont worry Jim, I havent wasted much tiem reading this thread. From what I've skimmed I only found perhaps fifty or sixty posts out of now 1012 that actually had some substance or did not repeat previously known facts...

Guess I just miss the old days

 

[Rockford]

Who really cares where this thread is at and who is posting what? Does it really bother you that much? If it does that's pretty sad. If people want to keep posting on it, let 'em. That will insure that this thread will stay at the top of the BOI for awhile.

If this thread is "simply getting old", then do yourself a favor and don't read it. How's that for a simple solution!

 

[Chris@TSE]

Oh, and by the way.... I do believe I was on a vacation when most of this went down and asked you fine folks a few hundred posts back for a pm'd version of the 'cliff notes' considering how crazy this thread got while i was away. FYI.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Who really cares where this thread is at and who is posting what? Does it really bother you that much? If it does that's pretty sad. If people want to keep posting on it, let 'em. That will insure that this thread will stay at the top of the BOI for awhile.

If this thread is "simply getting old", then do yourself a favor and don't read it. How's that for a simple solution!

No, it dosent bother me at all. I just expected a bit more from some people, thats all... Seems alot of the 'shark' mentality has become quite contagious. But you're right.... If people want to keep posting on it, they will. And if I feel like saying its pointless, I will. You don't have to read that either. Dont take it the wrong way however

 

[Rockford]

No, it dosent bother me at all. I just expected a bit more from some people, thats all... Seems alot of the 'shark' mentality has become quite contagious. But you're right.... If people want to keep posting on it, they will. And if I feel like saying its pointless, I will. You don't have to read that either. Dont take it the wrong way however

Well, if anyone deserves to get ripped apart by the "shark mentality" I would have to say it would be Biker Bill.

Thank you for acknowledging that I am right and another thanks for posting here Chris. Your insight on this thread is so appreciated. What would we do if your opinion wasn't typed here?

 

[Jim O]

It was obvious from the photos that the snakes were one and the same..... It didnt take fifty people to point that out. It is obvious he has proven himself to be a scammer, liar, and all around bad guy. It does not take thousands of posts to figure that one out either. My comments are regarding AFTER all of this has been found to be true, the rest... well.... is rather pointless. It's just amazing after all is said and done and we've all now seen what Bill is capable of how far people will go to keep rehashing the same information.

Is there something I'm missing? Are we waiting on confirmation for something? Perhaps another scam? Confirmation on another lie? Or are we just basically baiting in order to add more fuel to the fire or keep this thread at the top of the BOI?

I'm all for nailing scammers, trust me... Most of you already know this fact VERY well.
I just dont see someone like bill deserving all the extra attention. The case has been shut and closed for quite some time... unless I'm missing something?

Just seems like the only point of this thread since all of these things have been 'confirmed' is to bait someone we already know has lied and scammed. This is nothing new folks

And dont worry Jim, I havent wasted much tiem reading this thread. From what I've skimmed I only found perhaps fifty or sixty posts out of now 1012 that actually had some substance or did not repeat previously known facts...

Guess I just miss the old days

Chris,

I like you and respect you so please don't take this the wrong way, but you are so sounding like the pot calling the kettle black. A little while back there was a 300+ post thread that had to be locked. There was NO new information after the very beginning, just personality bashing and chest thumping. I was criticized heavily and accused of "siding with the bad guy" when I asked everyone to simply stop baiting him and stop beating a dead horse.

I'm sure that you remember the thread, but if you've forgotten, here's the link: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65133.

Now before you compare post totals, remember that here there were facts in dispute here, Bill came up with new stories, then Bill had another whole episode of trolling ID's and shill bidding. One thread exposed a felon, the other was just a guy tightening a noose aound his own personality.

So much for the old days.

Oh, and in case you have forgotten who, in those good "old days" that you miss so much, posted the most in that *other* thread, I am posting a screen shot of it to remind you.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Yup. I agree.... I guess I've just grown tired of the same things being said over and over again. Blame me?

 

[Chris@TSE]

And btw, I never said I had not fallen victim to the same behavior in the past. Actually I've made quite the effort to avoid it

I realised it was an extreme waste of time, to say the least. Not exposing them for who they are, but the whole "repeating" crap. I guess after you do it so many times you end up choking on it LOL