Blazin Reptiles--- Bad Guy Post

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[JeffMarjama]

Re: Settled ?? NOT!!!!!!

Well being that the original slanderer didn't have the character

Slander = spoken... why do you keep calling me a slanderer? I have never spoken any words against you, to my recollection. And anyway, how am I such? No lies were told, so you can’t do anything "legal" about this post being libel (proper term for the printed form of slander) or what not. Stop resorting to petty name calling.

 

[Vince]

Blazing

I dont know sounds like blazin whatever is holding off on the payment for the webpage. You get what you pay for , you wanted to give him 1 leopard gecko thats the kind of webpage its worth so pay up. im sure these gecko cost you next to nothing to produce , throw in some babys and make him clean it up and make your personal improvements. post like these only hurt you not the webpage dude. Its your deal you should make it right.

 

[W.Wedeking]

I am curious, what exactly, does your contract with Blazin state?

Did you agree to provide a website for him that he liked?

Most small webdesign companies do as Ms Terese said, they make up 3 examples of what they think the potential client is looking for based on the communication with the potential client. If the potential client picks a design he likes, then webdesign company has won a client and can expect to get paid.

Until you have won this client, don't expect anything.

Once you have become a well established webdesign firm with a good reputation,t hen you can charge a "non refundable deposit" that will pay you for your front time. However, until you are that well established, you will have to win clients like everyone else in the webdesign industry.

 

[Blazin]

NO LIES? I COUNTED AT LEAST 4 !

In your original post you stated and I qoute " Blazin asked us to make them a totaly new website." NOT!! You approached me in the chatroom. #2 "Went back and started website from scratch"
again NO! You changed the color like I asked but failed to do anything with the banner. #3 " He seemed to like it" We all know what you get when you ASSume something. #4 " I offer a professional web design service" If you did we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

 

[OldHag]

Ive worked with Blazin before and have found that he is very fair and conscious of how the customer feels. I have gotten Geckos from him and he is always asking me if Im satisfied and if he can replace them with ones that are satisfactory to me. How much better buisness can you do?? I know Leo Land too and know that hes a good guy. There HAD to be some misunderstanding between you two. Your both great guys, to be trusted, see if you cant work it out..
To everyone else on the forum TRUST Blazin!! he does good buisness, above and beyond the call of duty!!
Michelle

 

[JeffMarjama]

I have gotten Geckos from him and he is always asking me if Im satisfied and if he can replace them with ones that are satisfactory to me.

Now I've never said anything about the quality of his herps or anything... I don't see how this is relevant here. Also, why would he keep asking if he could replace the geckos he sent? By saying that, it makes it sound as if he sent off sick geckos or something. I'm not saying this is the case, but it sounds that way. And this still doesn't clear up the original problem here. I've never gotten a straight answer on why he offered me a gecko that he had up for sale on KS and later sold. I mean, why not just offer me something that wasn't currently up for sale?

Oh yes, and I did make a whole new page.. if you notice the two pages look different. I had to make all custom button menus on the header, add more herp pics to it, change all the colors and other misc. things.

Anyways, I was feeling bad about this post a few days ago and even told E2macpets that on chat so I was gonna make a whole new page for free. I even made a quick design that I was going to improve on later, which you can see here, but Blazin started in on the name calling and now I don't feel so bad any more and don't feel like offering it anymore.

 

[Blazin]

Feeling BAD?

Yeah you should. As of this post over 1900 people have viewed this. I only hope they will give me the benefit of the doubt. The website was not to my liking . PERIOD! Therefore I was under no obligation to send you the leopard gecko. If I would have recieved a product I was pleased with you would have gotten your gecko. When you enter the work force Jeff you will realize you don't get something for nothing. Either the work is done properly or YOUR OUT OF A JOB!

 

[BallKingdom]

I personally just had my website built by Jeff, and it was awsome. It was cheap, and he had to re make a ton of things to fit my specific needs. He would have done the exact same thing for you, he probly would have re-done the site a few more times for you had you asked.

Now you call him on making a crappy site, you should have gave him more ideas to work with. And it seems you're expecting a 500$ site for a cheap leopard. Not gonna happen. You need to learn how web design works. I've been good friends with Jeff for a long time now, and he was showing me your site as he worked. He was working his tail off. He spent hours on your site, then re-doing it for you without complaint. In my book that is extremely good business. He worked for more then he was getting back. You do owe him a gecko. You've made yourself into a fool on this thread.

Now regardless of what you call Jeff and his business, you got one big fault in this thread. Possibly one enough to seal everyone's assumptions of you. You sent him a pic of the exact gecko he was to receive, knowing full well that you were selling the exact same one. That really makes it seem like you never even intended on paying him. It's the shadiest part of this whole thing.

Jeff is a good guy, no doubt. I mean, even after being trashed by you on this thread he was willing to work it out for the best. He went and made a completely new site for you with no incentive. That really does show his character. I'm sure this thread has brought out the truth on you.

 

[Blazin]

Ball Kingdom! Loyal subject of leo-land?

From your obvious biased post I can see you know very little of the actual facts. The fact is the picture was a representation of a super hypo tang I would be trading. I produce quite a few of them. The gecko once again is not the issue here. I had every intention of living up to my end of the bargain if he met his end. A SITE I LIKED AND HAD INPUT IN. Jeff failed to email me for over a month and a half. I am just curious DO YOU OR ANY OTHERS PAY FOR MERCHANDISE YOU NEVER RECEIVE???? I certainly don't! If you contracted a carpenter to build you some racks, and you gave him dimensions and other descriptions of how you wanted them. THen he built half of a rack with the wrong spacing for your rubbermaids would you pay him? OF COURSE NOT! THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS! JUST AS RIDICULOUS AS THE ORIGINAL POST I AM STILL HAVING TO REFUTE DAILY!

 

[Wilomn]

I'm curious. Was there any paperwork between you two? Was there a specific gecko that was supposed to be traded? Did you guys ever sit down and spell out EXACTLY what was expected? Did blazin's expectations change from the time the deal was originally made? Did Jeff deliver what he said he would? Is there any proof to any of the questions I've asked? If so could whoever has it please post it?

Wes Pollock

 

[Nick]

Chad is a Good Guy

I have known Chad/Blazin for at least 3 years. I have never heard of a bad deal going threw that he didn't fix a.s.a.p. I am not saying I have personally done business with Chad but the people i know that have tell me his geckos and service is second to none. I would recommend any one to Chad for care or buying animals.

Nick Asher
www.GeckoReptilian.com

 

[JeffMarjama]

Now, I don't want to sink to Blazin`s level and call names, but.....

From your obvious biased post I can see you know very little of the actual facts. The fact is the picture was a representation of a super hypo tang I would be trading. I produce quite a few of them. The gecko once again is not the issue here.

This is an outright lie and I have proof Here is the original, unedited logs from one night we were talking about payment...

First I got into what I'd be getting for this site I was making him, these are the logs. I will bold the important stuff:
[22:55] ¤Leo-Land¤ I've done something for someone and gave it to them before recieveing anything in return, and never got anything
[22:55] ¤Leo-Land¤ no, I did not
[22:55] ¤@ Blazin¤ http://www.blazinreptiles.com/nitro64.jpg
[22:55] ¤@ Blazin¤ http://www.blazinreptiles.com/sunshine62.jpg
[22:56] ¤@ Blazin¤ I understand
[22:56] ¤@ Blazin¤ just don't release it to me
[22:56] ¤@ Blazin¤ until you get your end of the bargain
[22:56] ¤@ Blazin¤ but I will tell you I want you to TWEAK THIS SITE FOR ME
[22:56] ¤Leo-Land¤ yea, that's what I was thinking
[22:57] ¤@ Blazin¤ i have some other stuff on hand Leo
[22:57] ¤Leo-Land¤ lol
[22:57] ¤Leo-Land¤ what have ya got on hand?
[22:57] ¤@ Blazin¤ that way we both get what we want
[22:57] ¤Leo-Land¤ nitro is nice
[22:57] ¤@ Blazin¤ i have some tangs,albinos,carrot tail crosses,goldens
[22:57] ¤@ Blazin¤ one of the nicest!!!
[22:58] ¤Leo-Land¤ how are the tangs?
[22:58] ¤@ Blazin¤ http://www.blazinreptiles.com/triptangs.jpg
[22:58] ¤@ Blazin¤ those are close to 300 dollar trade value

As you can see, he had these tangs on hand has he stated. He showed the pic to me. We talked about the site a little more, then I got back to the payment. Here is what was said:
[23:14] ¤Leo-Land¤ I see
[23:14] ¤Leo-Land¤ so the deal would be the best looker of the 3 shipped for the site?
[23:14] ¤@ Blazin¤ we can do that
[23:14] ¤Leo-Land¤ sounds good
[23:14] ¤@ Blazin¤ or you can tell me what you feel the value is for a site

Now, if that's not promising the gecko to me, I dunno what is. As you can see, Blazin lied in his last post about never offering the gecko in the pic. This log shows he did actually say he'd give me the best looker in the group. When he sold the gecko that was promised, I was then told I had to wait until next breeding season for a gecko, about a year away. I have logs of this too, if needed.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Jeff,
You said you bolded all the important parts....seems to me

[22:56] ¤@ Blazin¤ but I will tell you I want you to TWEAK THIS SITE FOR ME

would be important as well, especially to Chad.

This whole thing is very simple, you didn't make the site the way CHAD wanted it (your part of the deal) so you don't get the gecko.

Would YOU pay for something YOU didn't get?

Seems to me you are much more worried about YOU than you are about customer service.

 

[JeffMarjama]

No one seems to get the point here..... Lemme break it down ONE MORE TIME. I was in the process of doing every little change he wanted (tell me if you want to see logs for examples) when he sold the gecko he obviously promised me. Now I ask you, if you're doing every tiny little thing someone is asking of you in hopes that you'll get a herp already shown to you for payment, and that herp is sold, how would you react? What would you all do? W.Wedeking?

 

[XzyluM]

First, I would like to say I have known Jeff for quite awhile. He is more than a honest person and will do as you ask if you stick with your part of the deal. I was pretty much there when the site was being constructed and put together. Let me say, I also design websites and such. It's no easy task and can be quite time consuming, especially if you have to do everything from custom images to tweaking. While the site may not be the prettiest of the prettiest and the best of the best, it's simple and functional. Keep in mind, web design usually averages around $80/hour give or take. Most of the time, logos aren't even part of the packages and can run you another $100-300. This is only a summary of what web design is all about. The point here, is Jeff was guaranteed a gecko in exchange for the website. During the process of Jeff designing and tweaking the website, the gecko he was promised was sold. This is bad business and something you just don't do. Blazin' owes Jeff a gecko and he pretty much knows it whether he likes it or not. That's my .02 cents.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Well, IF that were the case, the first thing I would do is call the "client" and ask them about it. If it was I would ask them if they still wanted my services and if not, the work would be over.

According to Chad, you did not keep in contact with him which can be seen as ending the contract from your end.

Keeping in contact would means, making a change, emailing or calling Chad and asking "Is this what you want?" If so, then you move to the next change, if not get more specifics so it is what the client wants.

Customer service is all about communication, making sure you understand what the client wants and when he expects results. It doesn't sound like that happened. It doesn't appear there was even a contract. You really have shown nothing here to give you grounds to make a badguy post.

Yes, working your butt off for nothing sucks, but it is part of being in the webdesign business. Live and learn. Next time, write up a contract that outlines specifics like:
Payment
Timelines
what exactly is to be done (listed individually)
Communication (how often and what form)

This will do several things 1) protect you and 2) improve your customer service and satisfaction 3) give you more of a professional appearence.

 

[W.Wedeking]

Devin, I don't believe Jeffs honest was in question and you are not the only one here who does webdesign. I am fully aware of everything it entails as that is our "other" business.

 

[Wilomn]

What's the timeline here guys? How long after the website was started was the gecko promised to Jeff sold? And it does now seem that he was promised a specific gecko. If it was sold and Jeff knew about it before he was done with the site I can see where he would be less than enthusiastic about continuing.

Was there an end date to this project? Let's get a timeline established.

 

[Blazin]

Ridiculous.

Jeff you never changed the site to my specifications. The banner is not even the color I wanted. The flames are wrong etc,etc, etc.
You are making the claim I sold "your " gecko out from under you. Thats a bunch of CRAP! You stopped working on the site and never even contacted me about it. I never denied selling the gecko in the picture I originaly showed you. I had NO SITE, but I did have a interested buyer for the gecko. Ever heard of the term BREECH OF CONTRACT?