Andrea1784
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It is a shame more research isn't put into this. Personally, I don't think a breeder is unethical for freezing or CO2-ing.
As far the suffocation thing goes, obviously I don't know for sure about it. However; The way I look at it, when you hear of people dying from carbon monoxide suffocation from letting their cars running in a closed garage they obviously don't feel suffocated even though they are suffocating internally. If they did they would run out of the garage gasping for air. The mammals I've put down this way don't seem to act like they are in pain from suffocation, they just want to get out of the bag, then all the sudden they go into a daze. The avma has done research on putting animals to sleep using CO2 and it shows that the animals seem to have minimal stress from being exposed to the gas unless it is in an extremely high amount like 90% (we use less than that). The only reason that is stressful is because the gas is noxious not because they feel suffocated. That at least is what the avma says. They create guidelines for many vets and researchers and freezing (according to them) is unacceptable and inhumane while CO2 is acceptable.
Another point according to the avma is that slow freezing is preferred over rapid freezing since slow freezing allows for that "cold coma" before the onset of pain while rapid freezing doesn't. So Marcia's method of refridgerating first would be preferrable over just sticking them in the freezer.
As far the suffocation thing goes, obviously I don't know for sure about it. However; The way I look at it, when you hear of people dying from carbon monoxide suffocation from letting their cars running in a closed garage they obviously don't feel suffocated even though they are suffocating internally. If they did they would run out of the garage gasping for air. The mammals I've put down this way don't seem to act like they are in pain from suffocation, they just want to get out of the bag, then all the sudden they go into a daze. The avma has done research on putting animals to sleep using CO2 and it shows that the animals seem to have minimal stress from being exposed to the gas unless it is in an extremely high amount like 90% (we use less than that). The only reason that is stressful is because the gas is noxious not because they feel suffocated. That at least is what the avma says. They create guidelines for many vets and researchers and freezing (according to them) is unacceptable and inhumane while CO2 is acceptable.
Another point according to the avma is that slow freezing is preferred over rapid freezing since slow freezing allows for that "cold coma" before the onset of pain while rapid freezing doesn't. So Marcia's method of refridgerating first would be preferrable over just sticking them in the freezer.
