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Blizzard Boas?

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Have these been produced yet? I have seen pictures and ads up the wazoo for DH Blizzards, yet I cannot find any pictures of a Blizzard. Supposedly they should be proven out by now, or this year. Does anyone have a picture of one? I know they are from an albino X type 2 anery offspring breeding. Are they all white as adults, unlike the snow boa that turns yellow with age?
 
For the past year my wife and I have been asking the exact same thing. How does anyone have a het for somthing that does'nt exist. I.M.O. this is total misrepresentation of said animial.
 
Actually, in this case, you would have hets before the homozygous animal is produced because we are working with a combination gene trait.

The Blizzard Boa should ultimately be produced by combining an albino boa with a Type II Anerytheristic. I have similar things in mind with my bloodline of Blacktail boas.

Because you are breeding two homozygous animals together that carry separate genes, you will first produce all double hets. The babies from the breeding of the albino and the Type II will be double het for both traits.
When these double hets are bred back to each other, the goal is to produce the blizzards.

This is the same procedure that was used to produce Snows. Albinos were bred with Anerythristics to produce double hets. These in turn, were bred together to produce Snows.

Make sense?
 
Mike, This makes perfect sense, but, it sounds like maybe you have questions about naming a new morph, and selling hets for that morph before the first one is produced. The reason I feel you may be questioning is , in paragraph two you state SHOULD, now I don't understand selling 100% hets that SHOULD...... That is my question. Please don't get me wrong, I would love to see another new morph added to the boa list, but it feels like putting the cart before the horse.....
 
rick c said:
Mike, This makes perfect sense, but, it sounds like maybe you have questions about naming a new morph, and selling hets for that morph before the first one is produced. The reason I feel you may be questioning is , in paragraph two you state SHOULD, now I don't understand selling 100% hets that SHOULD...... That is my question. Please don't get me wrong, I would love to see another new morph added to the boa list, but it feels like putting the cart before the horse.....
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Rick,
Let me clarify a couple of things.

1. I have not produced or offered double hets for Blizzard myself. The purpose of my post was simply to explain the genetic principles behind the combination gene traits.

2. The reason that I used the word "should" is because, in my mind, you can't be absolutely positive when you're dealing with animals with combination genes. The probability is very high, that the Type II's and the Albino's will produce snows, but with such a diverse gene pool associated with boas these days, there is always the possibility for unexpected results.
 
Mike I wasn't pointing a finger at you or any one individual, I never said a name. I am truely not bashing, I just can't comprehend selling 100% het anything before seeing what it's het for. Everything you explained makes good sense.
 
So, is the answer NO, they haven't been produced yet?? :shrug01: :shrug01:

I think what you are saying Rick, is produce one first, than name it. ???? I can see your point, but a question......would they be wrong to sell them as DH for Type II Snows? And if it made the blizzards instead, hmmmm. LOL
I believe they named bat eaters before creating those abominations also.

I was curious about this a while back, but it was put to the back of My mind till I heard of some being produced. Kinda freaky others are thinking about it too.

Rick
 
Rick, have type ll snows been produced yet? If so then I would say yes. All I am trying to say, is, the animals listed for sale, should be listed as, maybe potential het for Blizzard. I'm not saying they are not het, but right at this time, no one can say for sure.
 
NO, not that I am aware of. But anerythristic albinos have (snows). assuming Type II is recessive as well as type one, in theory, you would get a type II snow. (blizzard)
And if it has been proven recessive, than it would work the same as normal anery, or any other recessive gene in passing on. That would mean they are homozygous, and would pass one gene on to the offspring. No proving needed to determine them as hets. You just have to prove the gene recessive. Now the outcome of these DH x DH is unproven I agree, (a blizzard has not been produced yet), but the question of whether they are het or not, shouldn't be a question. Just if the hets would make the blizzards or not.

But I wasn't trying to argue, I merely throwing in a twist for everyone to ponder. I actually agree with you. Don't name it till it's produced.

Rick
 
Thanks Rick, that is all I was trying to say. Isn't it funny how great minds think alike. LOL. It's early and I need my coffee....
 
I've heard rumors that Blizzards have been produced but stillborn. If the rumors are true then it kinda leads towards maybe the genes are incompatable to the point of offspring showing both genes not being strong enough to live through birth. Or it was just very bad luck. There are plenty of double hets yet to be proven so time will tell. The other drawback is maybe some of the " Type 2 " anerys aren't really anerys.
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
I actually agree with you. Don't name it till it's produced.
Rick
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Because you end up with the situation where if YOU aren't the first one to produce it, the other person names it what they want anyway, lol

Case in point: the long awaited "snowglow" being dubbed a "moonglow"
 
BryonsBoas said:
I've heard rumors that Blizzards have been produced but stillborn. If the rumors are true then it kinda leads towards maybe the genes are incompatable to the point of offspring showing both genes not being strong enough to live through birth. Or it was just very bad luck. There are plenty of double hets yet to be proven so time will tell. The other drawback is maybe some of the " Type 2 " anerys aren't really anerys.
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I haven't followed the blizzards much at all. Just the little bits that have come by My attention. Hell, I don't even know who all is trying for them. But yer statement makes Me wonder.............Is it an actual incompatability of the genes? Or is it that the DH's used were too young, and/or too closely related, and someone is in a hurry? Many people still try to breed snakes at too young an age just because they obtained a decent size. Many big breeders have even openly admitted to doing this, so they can get there answers quicker.
Just seemes to Me that not enough time has elapsed since the type II anery's were imported, for them to breed them, grow them, and breed the offspring to prove them out.

But like I said, I have not followed them, and don't know who is trying for them. So this is mere speculation.


Rick
 
You have a good point right there Harald. I remember reading that one from somewhere too. LOL And if that is the concern, then I guess they would just have to hold back all the DH's until they have created what they are looking for. That would seem to be the only cure for that. The "claim to fame" that would accompany such a creation should make it more than worthwhile keeping all the young until viable offspring were created.

Just My oppinion,
Rick
 
With so many " new " type 2 anerys popping up its doubtful that all of them have been proven as type 2 so some dh blizzards could actually be het albino.
 
BryonsBoas said:
I've heard rumors that Blizzards have been produced but stillborn. If the rumors are true then it kinda leads towards maybe the genes are incompatable to the point of offspring showing both genes not being strong enough to live through birth. Or it was just very bad luck. There are plenty of double hets yet to be proven so time will tell. The other drawback is maybe some of the " Type 2 " anerys aren't really anerys.
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Similar to the bateaters, when they are first produced with a retic and burm, most of the clutch does not survive. Yet when a bateater is bred to another bateater, burm, or retic, the entire clutch can survive. This may be the same thing for blizzards, we have to wait until one survives and breed to strengthen the gene. I have also heard of the luecistic jungle carpet python, yet none have survived longer then two days out of the egg.

I have been reading on websites of people swearing they will be the first to produce blizzards. I have noticed that since probably 2004, so far I have not seen one. Who knows, maybe this year will be the year for someone to be able to price a new boa morph at $50,000
 
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