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Hey all, i'm new here and i'm just starting to get really into snake breeding. I came across doug (Boa Basement) as I am looking to find some nice boas to start breeding. He said he could help me set up a payment plan which is awesome because i don't have all the money yet :thumbsup:. Anyway, i tried to find out more about him as anyone would, and all i could find on here was an instance of a breeding trade gone wrong, and a few people here and there said he was a good guy. When i talked to him he was informative, and a very well mannered person. He even offered to help me with my new breeding project in the future, which I thought was awesome! Well i guess anyways what I wanted to ask is if anyone on here has dealt with him, or knows more about him. Just want some general opinions as I couldn't find any, anywhere.

Thanks all.
 
Well after further research, i have found multiple popular and positive reviews for Doug, and i have decided to go through with my purchase. Will post pics after i receive my two females in a couple months!
 
i did a deal with doug picked up some animals on trade and bought a few one was a supposed 100% het clown female one of his buddies produced for him i was leary at the time doug guaranteed me the genetics and said they were his animals the guy was breeding . finally got her to give me 5 eggs all normals i pd $450 for a $20 normal and fed her for 6 yrs before i got anything. i emailed him on it just for giggles and was told the snakes he had to have from me at the time were a waste of his time so tough. from knowing doug and his ego figure that is what he would say. I am not saying you wont get a quality visual he has some amazing animals !all i am saying is he does not stand by his word be care full buying hets from him! just my experience Thanks Mike Schofield
 
reptilemike said:
i did a deal with doug picked up some animals on trade and bought a few one was a supposed 100% het clown female one of his buddies produced for him i was leary at the time doug guaranteed me the genetics and said they were his animals the guy was breeding . finally got her to give me 5 eggs all normals i pd $450 for a $20 normal and fed her for 6 yrs before i got anything. i emailed him on it just for giggles and was told the snakes he had to have from me at the time were a waste of his time so tough. from knowing doug and his ego figure that is what he would say. I am not saying you wont get a quality visual he has some amazing animals !all i am saying is he does not stand by his word be care full buying hets from him! just my experience Thanks Mike Schofield
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This may be a premature conclusion.
 
I agree with Nickolas, not enough sample size to make that assumption just yet. One of my sayi pairings this year was a het to het and out of 18 eggs I only got 1 homozygous. You are barely below the average odds producing 0 out of 5 visuals with that pair. I'd definitely give them a few more goes before jumping to conclusions.
 
reptilemike said:
i did a deal with doug picked up some animals on trade and bought a few one was a supposed 100% het clown female one of his buddies produced for him i was leary at the time doug guaranteed me the genetics and said they were his animals the guy was breeding . finally got her to give me 5 eggs all normals i pd $450 for a $20 normal and fed her for 6 yrs before i got anything. i emailed him on it just for giggles and was told the snakes he had to have from me at the time were a waste of his time so tough. from knowing doug and his ego figure that is what he would say. I am not saying you wont get a quality visual he has some amazing animals !all i am saying is he does not stand by his word be care full buying hets from him! just my experience Thanks Mike Schofield
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What was the het clown female bred to?
 
The female was bred to a visual clown so it is not premature ad least 2 should have been clowns . I did not post to play the debate game with people here I simply posted to warn people to be careful buying hets from him since he does not breed all his own snakes which was the case in our deal and he will not back his genetic guarantee. Doug has amazing visual animals buy far some off the best I am not hear to bash him or argue with people . The simple facts are I gave Doug $450 for a 100% het clown female that he him self did not breed and guaranteed the genetics on since the other guy was breeding some of Doug's snakes for him I raised her bred her to my visual clown finally got 5 eggs that all are normals, I emailed Doug to let him know and see if he would back up his guarantee and he told me the vanilla stuff he got off of me was a waste of his time so no he would not make it rite. Thanks Mike Schofield
 
reptilemike said:
The female was bred to a visual clown so it is not premature ad least 2 should have been clowns . I did not post to play the debate game with people here I simply posted to warn people to be careful buying hets from him since he does not breed all his own snakes which was the case in our deal and he will not back his genetic guarantee. Doug has amazing visual animals buy far some off the best I am not hear to bash him or argue with people . The simple facts are I gave Doug $450 for a 100% het clown female that he him self did not breed and guaranteed the genetics on since the other guy was breeding some of Doug's snakes for him I raised her bred her to my visual clown finally got 5 eggs that all are normals, I emailed Doug to let him know and see if he would back up his guarantee and he told me the vanilla stuff he got off of me was a waste of his time so no he would not make it rite. Thanks Mike Schofield
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I wasn't trying to bash you or argue with you, so if I came off that way, I apologize. I was just asking so you could clarify whether the odds of making a clown were 50% or 25%.

I agree with you that it's highly unlikely she's an actually het clown, since you had five eggs and all were normal.

I also don't think it's right for someone to blow you off when you paid $450 for a snake that's not producing what it was sold as... Regardless of how he feels about the snakes he traded you for, which he evidently wanted at the time. I'd you have an emails, texts, ims, screen grabs, etc., post them here. Most people here just want to help, and they don't want people who rip others off to get away with it. Sometimes questions might sound a little curt, but I don't think they mean it in a mean way.
 
If you tossed a coin and got heads five times, it would not make you believe there was not a tails side.

That is what you have done and what you have concluded, but with clowns and heterozygous status.
 
Visual to het with 5 eggs and no visuals is a 3% chance. So it's possible but pretty unlikely. I still don't think I'd call it after one pairing, you might have had some rotten luck. I've played roulette and had it land on black 15 times in a row, as Nickolas said, that doesn't mean that red doesn't exist.
 
Independent events should not be used to attempt to predict a future outcome because there is no owing of either result.

I got 18 hets from a heterozygous female tortoise bred to a homozygous male over two clutches over three years. Then a clutch of two homozygous animals out of three eggs in year four. By the standards of some, they would have sent unpleasant and ill-founded emails on years one, two, and three, but the source would not desire that sort of noise.
 
Also, from seeing people decide early on whether or not a het has proven out despite not really knowing, I suggest people buy all homozygotes if they want to get beyond the same kind of math that coin flips involve. It is even more "fun" if people breed het to het and get disappointed that a clutch does not dazzle. If you have the patience for hets, great. If not, then maybe coin flips are not for you.

Side issue in case I missed it - I would like to see the full emails where the buyer approached the seller regarding his concerns so I can gauge how polite and reasonable different portions of the exchange were by the two parties. Thanks.
 
I've seen way worse odds than that. Try the pairing again and if you double that amount with no visuals, I'd consider it proven not to be het. Still not really proven, but the odds would be pretty crazy at that point. 0 out of 5 is still within the realm of reason.
 
here is the email i sent to doug with his reply and another lovely reply i found this morning on my work email . i never came on here to bash anyone or say anything bad about doug but i guess his true colors are comming out in his obserd 2nd email sent to me . ill try the breeding again next year i was planning on it eaven though i am 100% sure it will be a waste of time even more so with his second email reply . Thanks Mike Schofield

From: Mike Schofield
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 8:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: update het clown female

Hey Doug, Mike Schofield I did some buying and trading with you back in 2009 era I used to supply rodents and we did a trade for some vanilla pastels. Any ways I picked up 2 female het clowns from you in the group one you produced which proved out and another Gary produced which I was very leery about taking since you did not produce it , but you guaranteed the genetics saying he was breeding your animals and you backed the genetics. Long story short I got slugs from her 2 years ago nothing last year and 5 good eggs from her this year that I just cut open yesterday, however 5 out of 5 are normal which tells me that she is not the 100% het clown I gave you $450 for but a $20 normal I just fed for the last 6 years to find out. Please let me know if you will still back your genetics and if there is anything we can do to reconcile this situation. Thanks Mike Schofield

Doug Matuszak - Boa Basement <[email protected]>
Re: update het clown female

No, the vanilla garbage I got from you was a total waste of my time and of good animals you got from me.

Doug Matuszak - Boa Basement <[email protected]>
Re: update het clown female

going to flame your fat ass on BOI you stupid fuck
 
If that is the full extent of the exchange, the response was overly aggressive indeed. Thanks for posting that, Mike.

As for the situation with only 5 eggs, it is not enough information to make a call for reasons explained. Since you are going to try the breeding again next year, I hope it brings you better fortune and it does prove out for you regardless of the currently rough feelings involved. If you get another clutch and it is bigger and without any clowns, then I would start to be suspicious, too, but I usually need a large number of offspring before I will start calling something a non-het (unless a seller is known for other types of fraud or something, in which case I would be far less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt).
 
I find both of the seller's responses atrocious, especially the name-calling and offensive language used in the second one. While your snake may possibly be a het that hasn't yet proven out, I believe the seller's response, by immediately jumping to accusations, blaming and profanity, add more evidence that snake was misrepresented.



Good luck on breeding her next year, and I hope by some turn of luck she is a het.
 
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