crotalusadamanteus
Brother Infidel
Let me attempt to clear this up.
You are on a public forum. You asked for help. BUT, you left out pertinent information, like, "I saw a vet on Monday, and they agreed with the treatment". Go back and read your own posts. They lead one to conclude that you did not see a vet, but merely went by someones advice. The vet tidbit didn't come out until after I jumped on you.
You also didn't mention Greg was the one who advised you. There are people out there with very little actual knowledge, that will gladly advise you to "try this stuff, it worked for me" not knowing what they are talking about. We see it all the time. THAT is what aggravated me enough to lash out like I did. Judging by your post's, this appeared to be the case, yet again. Had you mentioned Greg, I may have held my tongue a little better, as I know him to be fairly knowledgeable, whether I agree with him or not.
Now, I'm a big boy too. I can admit when I do wrong. And perhaps in this case I was a bit quick to react and not ask more questions. For my part in that, I do apologize. But at the same time, if you are going to go to a forum for advice, you really should include all the facts. Leaving stuff out will most likely cause a mis-interpretation of what's actually happening. Just like what happened here.
What's to learn Greg? We had little facts until the last few posts. We did learn though that you are willing to prescribe a treatment based on a verbal or written description of an ailment. Something a proper vet would never do. Hmmm. Wonder why a vet would never do that? Or a doctor for that matter? Any ideas? Could it have something to do with the fact that many medical ailments may appear the same by verbal description, but when seen in person, it turns out to be something different? You think, just maybe?
I truly hope you never run into that situation and wrongfully "prescribe" a treatment that does harm to the critter. May have worked out in this case, but still a foolhardy thing to do with out actually seeing the animal. IMHO.
Back to Tony. Again, My apologies for jumping the gun. I should have asked if you actually seen a vet yet. My bad.
I admit to not being the most patient person in the world when it comes to sick animals, and what APPEARS to be negligence from the keeper. It really is something we see a lot of. I for one have had so many sick/injured reptiles come my way from keepers that don't want to do the right thing, it's sickening. Having spent literally thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get them in shape and find them a suitable home, has probably added some to my impatience on these subjects. (Not an excuse, just a reason.) I have 2 more sick ones coming this weekend, just to emphasise what I'm saying.
BTW, antagonism was not my goal. If it was, I would have been a bit more pointed about it. Being direct was my goal. (you know, like a wake up call) I try to help people with problems probably as much or even more than a lot of people on this site. I admit to being rather direct about it, but my concern is very real, and 100% FOR the animals.
Anyway, peace out. I apologize again for my part in this. I really do hope it all works out for the best.
Rick
You are on a public forum. You asked for help. BUT, you left out pertinent information, like, "I saw a vet on Monday, and they agreed with the treatment". Go back and read your own posts. They lead one to conclude that you did not see a vet, but merely went by someones advice. The vet tidbit didn't come out until after I jumped on you.
You also didn't mention Greg was the one who advised you. There are people out there with very little actual knowledge, that will gladly advise you to "try this stuff, it worked for me" not knowing what they are talking about. We see it all the time. THAT is what aggravated me enough to lash out like I did. Judging by your post's, this appeared to be the case, yet again. Had you mentioned Greg, I may have held my tongue a little better, as I know him to be fairly knowledgeable, whether I agree with him or not.
Now, I'm a big boy too. I can admit when I do wrong. And perhaps in this case I was a bit quick to react and not ask more questions. For my part in that, I do apologize. But at the same time, if you are going to go to a forum for advice, you really should include all the facts. Leaving stuff out will most likely cause a mis-interpretation of what's actually happening. Just like what happened here.
Greg Riso said:
What's to learn Greg? We had little facts until the last few posts. We did learn though that you are willing to prescribe a treatment based on a verbal or written description of an ailment. Something a proper vet would never do. Hmmm. Wonder why a vet would never do that? Or a doctor for that matter? Any ideas? Could it have something to do with the fact that many medical ailments may appear the same by verbal description, but when seen in person, it turns out to be something different? You think, just maybe?
I truly hope you never run into that situation and wrongfully "prescribe" a treatment that does harm to the critter. May have worked out in this case, but still a foolhardy thing to do with out actually seeing the animal. IMHO.
Back to Tony. Again, My apologies for jumping the gun. I should have asked if you actually seen a vet yet. My bad.
I admit to not being the most patient person in the world when it comes to sick animals, and what APPEARS to be negligence from the keeper. It really is something we see a lot of. I for one have had so many sick/injured reptiles come my way from keepers that don't want to do the right thing, it's sickening. Having spent literally thousands of dollars out of my pocket to get them in shape and find them a suitable home, has probably added some to my impatience on these subjects. (Not an excuse, just a reason.) I have 2 more sick ones coming this weekend, just to emphasise what I'm saying.
BTW, antagonism was not my goal. If it was, I would have been a bit more pointed about it. Being direct was my goal. (you know, like a wake up call) I try to help people with problems probably as much or even more than a lot of people on this site. I admit to being rather direct about it, but my concern is very real, and 100% FOR the animals.
Anyway, peace out. I apologize again for my part in this. I really do hope it all works out for the best.
Rick
