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Inquiry Boas and Balls

register for this thread? Learn your facts magikalmorphs

I first started a thread on cbcreations so know your facts first! I live in wa and saw your add, boas and balls attracted me cause I know her and how amazing she is. Since you feel the need to get into the $ you have spent with other breeders means nothing. Lynns snakes that ive purchased are small percentage of my animals. I have motleys from Jeremy Stone, Harlequins from Magees, Carpets and womas from Inland, leary, spitfire, lasic, and price animal, Coral albis and reg albis from Kahl, high end retic morphs from mike wilbanks and bob clark & ba reptiles, Balls from brian B. and Lynn, Surinams from Tudehope and crutchfield, Bolivians from Barry miller, and on and on! And I still stand by Lynn like I said. I did not start an account for this thread I had to register to post for cb creations but iots nice to see you chastize me for being a new member instead of welcoming me like everyone else has. And the posts speak for themselves, is there one that agrees with you?
 
RobbiesCornField said:
Sorry, but I don't see how Lynn owes you any refund. You told her that you'd have NO TROUBLE paying her off in 6 months. Then you go and not make any payments for 3 of those months with no contact from you. Is it her fault that YOU didn't make clear that you wanted to pay over the year? No.
I'm sure that if you would have let her know what's going on AS IT WAS HAPPENING and not months later, she would have been more than accommodating.
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Shadera said she SHOULD be able to be pay them off ..not that she WOULD.
Does that constitute a contract? What someone should,may,or might do?
Not in my book. From the information posted the only contract/agreement
I see is that Shadera was given 12 months to pay off a balance. And that's
without any specific payment structure.


Masonexotics said:
I think customers wanting 12 month payment plans would be few and far between, and breeders willing to offer such plans even thinner on the ground.

Perhaps stopping spending money you don't have would be an idea. a 12 month payment plan? Unbelievable.

I can't see your problem here, I don't see someone trying to change terms, I see someone who, after what I think it around 3-5 months who expected at least some payments to have been made. you've taken longer than most breeders would offer you full stop and not sent her a cent over the initial deposit you paid. To me it seems that the pair of your misunderstood each other after all you did say you'd be paid in 6 months. You're almost half way through your 12 month payment period, without a cent in her hands yet, I can sure understand why she's chasding you for money. She said she didn't mind people taking their time, but there is a difference between taking your time and taking the piss.

If it takes you 12 months to save up, then save up for 12 months rather than taking advantage of someone elses generosity/strange business practices!
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It was Lynn's choice to offer a 12 month plan. Shadera didn't ask for a
plan that long. Yes Shadera said she should be paid in 6 months.. that doesn't
make the intial agreement null and void. Oh and by the way..we haven't hit
6 months yet.

serpentminded said:
Lynn owes you nothing in my book but she will probobly pay you anyway because thats the kind of person she is. And if she does not im glad she is sticking up for herself! The economy has no bearing on your breeding plans. Dont have someone hold animals if you cant buy them. A 12 month plan is crazy but lynn does it cause again she rocks, but if you did not talk to her since your initial deposit and it has been 6 months the animals are worth a lot more now. And if you would have sent her 50 or 100 a month she would have had no issues. All she did was inform you that it had been 6 months with no contact and you needed to resolve the issue and you want to bad mouth her. She spent 3 hours with me @ midnight to hold a hog island that was on her web page. I did not buy anything and she was willing to help me out. Sounds like thats what everyone says but you.
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3 months have passed ..not 6. If Lynn wanted payments to be made on
any type of schedule she should have made it known.

As a side note I have never done business with Lynn. I have zero problems
with her or her animals. I have done business with Shadera..at one point
she was on a payment plan. I didn't have any problems. Then again,I set
my terms ahead of time of what was expected.

David Fernandez
 
:iagree:. Thank you for putting it so well, David. Whether or not a customer can expect a 12-month payment plan is not the question. Once a 'termless' 12-month-plan has been agreed upon, the seller shouldn't 'browbeat' the customer 3 months in.
 
no!

no nobody agrees with him. I still am shocked that some one would complain about this. I think it is a really nice thing lynn does for people and this guy is why most people dont. Also did anybody else pick up that lynn was not the only person he set up a payment plain on animals at the same time. what in the hell is that about. instead of paying one person off you put 20 different animals on payment plains with 10 different people. wow.
 
"no nobody agrees with him. I still am shocked that some one would complain about this. I think it is a really nice thing lynn does for people and this guy is why most people dont. Also did anybody else pick up that lynn was not the only person he set up a payment plain on animals at the same time. what in the hell is that about. instead of paying one person off you put 20 different animals on payment plains with 10 different people. wow."

I hope you were not talking about me? I never said I had payment plans with anyone. All my animals are paid off! Lynn is the only one that has ever held an animal for me. I was trying to tell you I noticed you were a customer of hers. Now im wishing I had not wasted my time. And i was refering to the origanal post you were comenting on. About shandel because ive never got any negative vibes from lynn. Sorry you did not understand.
 
ASnakesView said:
To stop confusion A snakes view and serpentminded are 2 people with one cause. Matt and Zach started working together.a snakes view/ serpentminded
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Then that makes it all the more important that you indicate who is posting
 
Matt=asnakesview
Zach=serpentminded

The posts on serpentminded earlier were from Me matt, I made my own handle so people would not think one person was running 2 handles thats all. So again from no on
Matt=asnakesview
Zach=serpentminded
 
Right on brother, i just get the wrong impression from these threads, im new to this and its kind of hard to distinguish whats what.lol I was glad to see you here becaus id seen alot of lynns stuff sold to you and ive sent many of my friends her way as well. I have some hogs, poss jungles, from her. Also getting an awesome breeding pair of hoggs from her to. I was not supprised to see soo many people happy with her services. Well hope to talk to you some more.
 
he or she does it matter

I called Shadera a she untill She was referred to as ahe in one message. So to make sure Brandon was clear I put he down as well. Ohh and with any other large purchase on a payment plan, lets say a car do you wait until the last year the loan is due and say "ok ill pay it off by then". Or would they repo if you did that? Exactly you need to keep in touch with whoever you owe money to. Shadera is grabbing at straws to make Lynn look bad its not cool.
 
Given a year to pay with NO other specific terms, it would have been well within my rights to have paid the balance on the last day before that year was up. No straws here, and I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. Again, this was MY experience with this seller who apparently is one of your friends who can do no wrong. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I posted my facts and others can make their own decision. There are those of us out there who are sticklers for good customer service and appreciate sellers who stick to their terms. IME, Lynn is not one of those people. She told me up front I had a year to pay when I specifically asked what her terms were on payment plans, no mention whatsoever of any schedule. And again, when I asked her last month if me paying when I had it was a problem, there was no response from her. Had she spoken up then about hey can you at least pay something every so often it would've been taken care of then. Someone's definitely grasping, and it's not from this end. I leave good feedback where it is due on transactions, and left some just this morning for a wonderful experience I had with a breeder/seller.

Every snake I have except for my pied from Steel City, my het clown from Greg Graziani and my calico from NextWorld, were paid for via payment plans with no issues at all. As long as the terms are stated up front, as David said, there is no problem on my end. I had two layaway transactions with him alone, and he welcomes me back any time. As do the other big names I've paid through on payments. I bought approx $15k worth of snakes last year, all on payment plans. And NONE had to badger me for money since I knew what they wanted from me.

Again, she got $260 for doing nothing, as those animals are bigger and would sell for more now anyways. If you think my being upset about that is "not cool", that's not my problem. Perhaps we should all just start writing checks to total strangers and just give our money away with nothing in return.
 
ASnakesView said:
I called Shadera a she untill She was referred to as ahe in one message. So to make sure Brandon was clear I put he down as well. Ohh and with any other large purchase on a payment plan, lets say a car do you wait until the last year the loan is due and say "ok ill pay it off by then". Or would they repo if you did that? Exactly you need to keep in touch with whoever you owe money to. Shadera is grabbing at straws to make Lynn look bad its not cool.
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It would be a non-issue, as when I purchased both my cars the terms of the deal were specified up front - monthly payments of a certain amount due by a certain date.

Apples and oranges.
 
your post asked for others opinions

I was giving you my opinion on the subject only! I spent over $40,000 last year on animals for my personalprojects alone but that has no bearing on what you asked about boas and balls. So this david guy is the one person that is happy with your payments? Like I stated ITS MY OPINION not fact.:D
 
MagickalMorphs said:
Again, she got $260 for doing nothing
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After speaking with Lynn I was under the impression that she was going to refund you all the money you paid is that what happened or am I to assume by you statement above that she is keeping your money. Let me first say Lynn in my friend and a year is a great bode of confidence to the buyer that no seller I know will give, I would think some sort of monthly payment with the last payment by the 365th day unless otherwise set up would be how a year long payment plan would go. Now with that said Shadera I've known, through the forums, for a year or so has never given me the impression of being a "bad" customer. In fact I hear nothing but good things about her. Can we all agree that both parties showed less that satisfactory communication. Lynn for not laying out here payment terms out before taking money and Shadera for not following up on a regular basis even if money was not being sent. There is a big trust and relationship that starts when a buyer and seller make a payment arrangement and it either makes a friendship or in make enemies. I hope that my post is understood and I hope that things can be worked out soon.
 
ASnakesView said:
I was giving you my opinion on the subject only! I spent over $40,000 last year on animals for my personalprojects alone but that has no bearing on what you asked about boas and balls. So this david guy is the one person that is happy with your payments? Like I stated ITS MY OPINION not fact.:D
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$40k? Sure you did. :rofl: This is just getting ridiculous now.

Nope, he's not the only one I bought from, but most of those other gentlemen don't hang out on Fauna. And just for the record, it normally only takes me a couple months to pay off an animal that's $1k+, before you go thinking that I scuttle around asking people to let me pay off a hundred dollar animal over a couple years. Who I've bought from via that route really doesn't belong on a thread about this particular seller anyways. Suffice it to say that they are all respected breeders in the community, and I would buy from them again if they had something I was looking for. I'm just trying to make my point that I'm not an unreasonable person when it comes to my buying animals. I like someone to give me their terms up front and in all the detail I need, when they have no such terms posted on their website, and I expect them to follow those terms. I am not a mind reader. No opinions here, just facts.

I won't go into what your opinion means to me, as that's irrelevant to why I started posting in the first place. I posted my facts, and the emails to back it up, and there are a few of you who just refuse to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about it from a business standpoint. All you can see is that someone had a deal go south with someone you consider a friend and cannot fathom would wrong someone. Lynn may very well be the most wonderful person in the world, but as a customer she treated me pretty iffy. Let me mention again that she has my money. She has the snakes which will undoubtedly be sold for more than they were going to be sold to me for. And I have nothing. That's acceptable business to you? Hang on, lemme make sure I have you down on my don't buy from list.

I'll be back with any updates, if there are any that need to be posted.
 
Thank you Timothy. I can agree with that, and accept that I could have kept in closer contact. I am usually much better about that. But I will not shoulder all of it.

As far as getting anything back, I've heard nothing else about that. Just a line in an email about how she's not that kind of breeder.
 
ASnakesView said:
I was giving you my opinion on the subject only! I spent over $40,000 last year on animals for my personalprojects alone but that has no bearing on what you asked about boas and balls. So this david guy is the one person that is happy with your payments? Like I stated ITS MY OPINION not fact.:D
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Hey Matthew guy!
I prefer David dude over David guy. Thanks!


Royal Morphz said:
After speaking with Lynn I was under the impression that she was going to refund you all the money you paid is that what happened or am I to assume by you statement above that she is keeping your money. Let me first say Lynn in my friend and a year is a great bode of confidence to the buyer that no seller I know will give, I would think some sort of monthly payment with the last payment by the 365th day unless otherwise set up would be how a year long payment plan would go. Now with that said Shadera I've known, through the forums, for a year or so has never given me the impression of being a "bad" customer. In fact I hear nothing but good things about her. Can we all agree that both parties showed less that satisfactory communication. Lynn for not laying out here payment terms out before taking money and Shadera for not following up on a regular basis even if money was not being sent. There is a big trust and relationship that starts when a buyer and seller make a payment arrangement and it either makes a friendship or in make enemies. I hope that my post is understood and I hope that things can be worked out soon.
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Well said Tim!


David Fernandez
 
It sounds like 2 people in a misunderstanding, you asked for my opinion, you brought up $$ I dont LIE and dont care If you believe what ive spent. I have spent well over that and have all the paper work. Im sorry you didi not agree with my origanal post but you should have been in contact with her and when you start throwing stones watch out for my MISSILES. Again i never stated anything about you, just what I thought of your situation. If I buy an animal for $200 im in contact with them throughout the process, you did not talk to Lynn for how many months?
 
From my perspective, blame for this misunderstanding falls on both your shoulders, since neither of you established or agreed to any specifics. (It doesn't matter how flexible one wants to be, or how many times one has bought on a payment plan....some basic plan should be outlined and agreed upon).
I'm curious, did you ever officially tell Lynn that you don't want the animals...or that you aren't going to honor the "payment plan"? Did she ever officially tell you that she was terminating the transaction? You've mentioned that you haven't heard anything about your money (while also stating that you don't expect it to be returned); but if things are still in limbo between the two of you, who knows what is expected?
Regarding your comments that they would undoubtedly be sold for more money because they are larger now: I'm something of an outsider in the BP world, but my impression of the current market isn't that the prices keep going up as the snake grows (though that would be nice). I see more people reducing prices on their remaining 08s than I see raising them. Of course, if you were given a price break for a multi-snake purchase, that may well be true.

One last comment about your refund. If the transaction has been terminated, according to Lynn, your deposit will be refunded when the animals are resold
I am not a breeder that will keep your deposit but if you can't afford them, then I will sell them instead of feeding them and send your money back.
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