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Bobby Pruett "Possible Law Suit"

WoW, I have never had retics? Why would I be meeting someone with a retic?
Dont guess this person has a name? Didnt think so. Feel free to help your
friend out.

Bobby Pruett
Arboreals Etc...
http://www.corallus.com/arborealsetc

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Re:


> HEY BOBBY, I HAVE SPOKEN TO ANOTHER PERSON THIS AM THAT WAS DISAPOINTED BY
> YOU. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET HIM AT A SHOW WITH AN ADULT RETIC AND YOU
> STOOD HIM UP. THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO BUILD A GOOD REPUTATION BOB. THE
REPTILE
> COMMUNITY IS VERY SMALL AND WORD TRAVELS FAST. YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF RANDY
> AND YOU KNOW IT. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND RETURN THE MANS ANIMALS.
>
> THANKS, BILL
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I just got another email from your friend Bill Cagle. Now you guys are just
lieing. When did I ever have a retic? When was I supose to meet someone with
an adult retic?

Bobby Pruett
Arboreals Etc...
http://www.corallus.com/arborealsetc
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: A LITTLE ADVICE....(RANDY BUSH SITUATION)


> Just answer your phone and Talk to Bill.
>
> Randy Bush
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Now that im being named in a possable Lawsuit by your friend Randy Bush
anything you need to say can be put in an email or certified letter so I can
hand over copies of it to my lawyer.

Bobby Pruett
Arboreals Etc...
http://www.corallus.com/arborealsetc
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Re:


> I HAVE TRIED FOR TWO DAYS NOW BOB. LET ME KNOW THE BEST TIME TO CALL.
>
> THANKS, BILL
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Randy

I will not be bullied or presured into making a deal with you just have you
tell people I made good on a deal. I have done what I think is right. Post
your emails and file your lawsuit. Funny thing, as soon as I posted Mr.Cagle
is emailing me wanting to call me??? I think you might be able to get ahold
of your friend now.

Bobby Pruett
Arboreals Etc...
http://www.corallus.com/arborealsetc
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: A LITTLE ADVICE....(RANDY BUSH SITUATION)


> Bobby:
> This is what Philip forwarded me.I told you as soon as I got the
animal that he looked poor.My exact words!! After a few more days evaluating
his behavior,I concluded that the snake was mis-represented because you told
me he was thin from breeding and that was it.You told me nothing of the
OBVIOUS neurologic problems he has.I think you owe me an apology and my
animals and then I will let everyone know that you made good on the
deal.Thanks for your time.
>
> Randy Bush
>
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Am I the only one seeing this? Bill Cagle and Randy Bush get your stories right. You both can get on here and have your friends post for you all you want. You never had a problem with the snow other then it eating for the first time for you. Now that you and Bill Cagle no longer need the snow for breeding you start all this over it? I will not be bullied or presured by you two guys or any of your friends that are emailing me. File your claim and lets get the ball rolling. Its easy to come on here and run your mouth. I for one would really like for you two guys to take me to court and once all the facts are shown I have no dout I will win. Anybody thats knows me knows all this is BS.
 
If I recieved a snake that I determined was sick, I would let the seller know right away. If the seller wanted me to take the animal to the vet I would . I would not assume that the seller would wish to have the animal examined by my vet.
Bobby, I would like to see 1 e-mail from Randy stating that he was satisfied with the deal.
 
Mike C.

In all fairness.
If I did a trade and the snake I got was not to my satisfaction.

I do not have to take afformetioned snake to the vet just to get the other party to send me back what is rightfully mine.
I will not spend hundreds of dollars on a snake that should have met my expectations upon arrival.

on the other side of the coin

I would not have waited so long to send the snake back or whatever. I would have done it right away. I would have contacted the other party upon the snakes arrival and told them I want the transaction reversed immediately.

Good luck to both of you.
What happens from here will reflect upon both of you for quite a while. So whatever the right thing is.....make sure it happens
 
Here's what I don't understand

Bobby Pruett,
I checked out your web site. I saw the pictures of the Snow Boa and the female he was mated with. The female appears to be very a nice animal. The Snow Boa does look very thin and does appear to have "funky eyes". I don't know if it's genetic or if it can be inherited, but there's no mention of the problem when you post info on the soon to be available offspring. I would think if the male has a "known genetic defect" then it should be stated upfront.
Now since there's no info about any "defect in the male" when posting info about "possible" offspring............ Well, it makes me think you may have forgotten to mention a "defect" proior to the sale/trade of the adult male. I do believe that "genetic defects" are enough reason for Randy wanting his animals back. I wouldn't give him an albino boa with his animals, but the fair market value of the animal that was sold sounds good. Either way I think your customer is entitled to a refund of some sort. Also "if" your Snow Boa male has a genetic defect that should be mentioned with the possible ofspring.

Just my .02 :spinny:
 
Casey Hulse said:
If I recieved a snake that I determined was sick, I would let the seller know right away. If the seller wanted me to take the animal to the vet I would . I would not assume that the seller would wish to have the animal examined by my vet.
Bobby, I would like to see 1 e-mail from Randy stating that he was satisfied with the deal.
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Heres the first email Randy sent

----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: SNOW


The snow got here.. He is warm.Looks like he is been through a long breeding season!!! He looks pretty poor right now but I got some breeding males that are slimmed down also.I'll keep you posted and let you know when he eats.

Randy Bush
 
I know that everyone has their own threshold, but I can't imagine trading, buying, or selling a $10K snake (or $10k worth of snakes) without picking it up in person (or having someone pick it up on my behalf) with the agreement that the deal can be canceled at that time if things aren't right -- unless I had a long history with the person on the other end.

A contract outlining all the expectations of boths sides also seems prudent at this $ level no matter how obvious they seem before the transfer/sale.

It also seems sensible for the buyer (and the seller) to have the snake(s) checked out by a vet prior to a sale of this magnitude in an attempt to document their health.

Were there lots of pictures exchanged beforehand (hopefully with the snake(s) embracing a well-known newspaper with a recent headline to lock in a time frame :) )?.

I realize it's water under the bridge now and hope that things work out....

Ed Trind.
_____
 
Ritchie,

I would take an ill animal to the Vet, mine or one injured along side of he road. But if I had dropped 10k, you bet. It may have been just stressed, now was he put into breeding to further stress him out? was he fed and quarantined? Was he examined by a Vet when picked up. I always quarantine and would definately have taken a 10k animal straight to a Vet. That way I have proof if it came in sick. I'll have you ship me some animals, then leave them outside for a day. post on the BOI that they are lifeless. I would never do this, but you get the point? I've been in business 25 years and been burned many times. If you want to even attempt going to court you need paperwork from a qualified Vet. Just my two cents, good luck.

Mike Conley
 
Bobby Pruett,
In one of your posts you said, "Like I stated in one of my emails to you poor eye sight is a genetic fact when dealing with the albino,and snow morphs. "

In an email to Randy Bush you said, "Since their has been a total break-down in communication since Mr.Cagle has gotten involved in this deal, my partner(in the ground boas) and I have both decided things are not adding up. Poor eye sight in a snow boa is no reason for you to be acting like this. That's just one of the genetic facts that goes along with the morphs."

Both these statements might lead to the possibility that the snake has a "genetic defect".

So I'm just going to ask, "Does the snake have a genetic defect of any kind or do you suspect him of have a genetic defect of any kind??".
I don't want to hear that it goes along with any morph. I'd like to know if there's a possibility that if the Snow Boa in question has a genetic defect of any kind?

Why would I like to know??????? Well, I'd like to know, because you've never said one way or the other on that subject. I find it a bit "questionable" that you never took a stand on that part of Randy's claims.
 
Linda Demadura said:
Bobby Pruett,
In one of your posts you said, "Like I stated in one of my emails to you poor eye sight is a genetic fact when dealing with the albino,and snow morphs. "

In an email to Randy Bush you said, "Since their has been a total break-down in communication since Mr.Cagle has gotten involved in this deal, my partner(in the ground boas) and I have both decided things are not adding up. Poor eye sight in a snow boa is no reason for you to be acting like this. That's just one of the genetic facts that goes along with the morphs."

Both these statements might lead to the possibility that the snake has a "genetic defect".

So I'm just going to ask, "Does the snake have a genetic defect of any kind or do you suspect him of have a genetic defect of any kind??".
I don't want to hear that it goes along with any morph. I'd like to know if there's a possibility that if the Snow Boa in question has a genetic defect of any kind?

Why would I like to know??????? Well, I'd like to know, because you've never said one way or the other on that subject. I find it a bit "questionable" that you never took a stand on that part of Randy's claims.
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No this animal did not suffer from a defect. The eyes and lite came into it when randy said he shined a flashlite in its eyes and it reacted but the eyes didnt. I said to him albinos and snows are lite sensative. Why dont some of you ask Randy why hes not posting the emails on this? I posted the first one on the 4th and my final say on this deal on the 17th.
 
~Read between the lines...

Looks like he is been through a long breeding season!!
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~Sounds to me like a nice way of saying the snow looked like hell!

~Randy seemed to be trying to give Bobby the benefit of a doubt. Were it me, I, too, would figure someone with a good reputation would not misrepresent a snake, much less subject it to shipping stress if it was sick.

~Bobby,
One splash of bad business can totally destroy your future transactions. {And say "splash" because that is just what it does. } What you need to think over carefully is, what is your priority? If there is the slightest possibility that what Randy says is true, even partially, you need to decide something. Do you stand your ground, regardless of how shaky it appears to be, and chance the loss of future customers?...Or do you look at the big picture and come to an agreement with Randy to make right on the problem?

~What makes a good reputation is not merely professional and honest transctions but, how well the reputation is lived up to in difficult situations.
 
One last question.........

Bobby Pruett,
If Randy takes the snake to the vet and it's determined that the snake has a defect, such as blindness or neurological problems, what then???
 
I don't know what we could hope to accomplish here on the BOI, now that lawsuits are threatened. If I were the attorney for Randy OR Bobby, I would advise them to not say another word on this forum or any other like it. All emails would be set aside for evidence, and deposition requests would be the next time you heard from either of these guys.

That's the sad thing about lawsuits: They're really about winning rather than searching for what's fair or right ina situation. The terrible thing is that usually no one wins in the end.
 
still no facts

I still haven't seen any facts? People listen, if you suspect you have an ill animal don't wait a day, two days a week then post on the BOI. Spend some $$$ get that animal to a qualified Vet ASAP, for the animals sake and your pocket book. I'm really not taking sides, but why have an animal for several weeks before taking it to a Vet if you suspect it ill. I can't imagine taking a 10K loss. Also WAS THIS ANIMAL QUARANTINED? WAS IT PUT WITH FEMALES ON THE BUYERS END?
 
You people really cant read or you have another problem. Heres the email when he got it on the 4th of feb.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: SNOW


The snow got here.. He is warm.Looks like he is been through a long breeding season!!! He looks pretty poor right now but I got some breeding males that are slimmed down also.I'll keep you posted and let you know when he eats.

Randy Bush

Heres the next one on the 5th
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: SNOW


> That's what I thought,it looks like he might be going into a shed.He's very active!! Everytime I checked on him he was cruising all around the cage.He probably senses other females in the room.I've just nevered owned a snake of this value and I want him to thrive! I'll keep you up to date..
>
> Randy Bush
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Heres the next one from the 7th
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:00 AM
Subject: snow


> Bobby:
> Just wondering when is the last time he ate? I put a rat in there last night but he did not eat it. Were you giving him small or medium rats? I'm assuming they were rats not mice.I'm just worried and want to see him bulk up and get back on his feet"so to speak"...
>
> Randy Bush
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Heres the next one on the 7th
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: snow


> I have not yet put him with a female.I've just noticed him cruising around the cage and thought he may sense other females in the same room not cage.I'm not sure yet if he is going into a shed,sometimes it's hard to tell with albinos.
>
> Randy
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Heres the next one on the 11th
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: SNOW


> Bobby:
> I finally got the snow to eat yesterday!! I kept leaving a dead one in with him overnight and he never would eat it.So I got the rat and just kept rubbing it all over him until he got aggravated and struck and coiled it.I left the room and came back 20 minutes later and he had eaten it!Please tell me again for my info how old he is and how many females he has bred? How many clutchs he has produced.Is he a "proven snow" yet.I know it's assumed I was just wondering if he has been proven out yet? Evidently he was not in a shed either.Talk to ya later.Thanks..
>
> Randy Bush
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From the 4th to the 11th the boa was eating and cruising around just fine. Thats 8days after he got the boa. Now Ive noticed nobody has paid attention to any of their post. I also did a check on Randy before this deal went through and everything came back as good as I could have wanted it. The point nobody is catching is that I never had a problem with Randy Bush. My problem was when Bill Cagle stuck his nose in all this. I dont think anyone would want a boa from Cagle if they did a search on this forum. But for Randy to post threats and flat out lies to get this to go his way is wrong. I dont want the snow back if its been in with any of Bill Cagles animals. That was my point and still is. If its been with Cagles boas then noway am I taking it back. I have 2 here out of the 9 left that are from Bill Cagle. For the safty of my collection they will be vet checked. My reason for thinking Randy di breed the snow to females was his ad on Kingsnake selling his normal males because *he has added new boa morphs*. Here the FACTS of the first 8days he had the snow boa. Now lets see what people say. Then we will see just who is his friends posting for him or just people that are really concerned with two breeders going at it.
 
It sounds like he was satisfied to me. If he wanted to return the snow male it should have been said by the first or second day after accepting the Snow.

Mike Conley
 
On the fifth and the seventh, the boa was noted to be "very active" and it fed on the elventh, by striking and constricting its prey.

My question is this: Randy has stated that the animal has obvious problems with locomotion. Yet no mention is made of this in any of those three e-mails, which cover a period of 7 days.

Apparently:

Everytime I checked on him he was cruising all around the cage.
[/qutoe]

The snake was being observed with some regularity.

Unless the e-mails posted were edited, I fail to see why no mention was made of possible neurological problems after seven days of observing the snake, so some explanation seems in order.

Just out of curiousity: Aside from being light sensitive, what other problems are common in the albino boa morphs? Are neurological and other birth defects also common? I've heard of problems with fertility and coming to term in female albinos, and I've heard of albino babies born with over-large yolk reserves which fail to thrive, but this is the first I've heard of neurological symptoms being common. Any info on that's appreciated. (Might want to post a reply to that on the boa discussion area rather than sidetrack this thread.)
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Randy,

Mike raises some very good points and so do your emails that Bobby has posted. Let me just amplify some of the better ones that I see right off the bat:

First, if the snake was as obviously uninspiring as you have said, why not contact Bobby for a return of your animals immediately? Why just say he looked "poor" from breeding if he was listless, possibly neurologically impaired, and lacking muscle tone to the point of being noticeable?

Second, if the snake was that bad off, why NOT take it to a vet right away? I understand why you wouldn't want to spend any more money on an animal you intended to send back ASAP, but as of 8 days from the snake's arrival, you were emailing Bobby about it had eaten for you, and you said nothing about any illnesses or sending the snake back then.

Third, you have painted two different pictures of this snake, it seems to me. To Bobby, you said that the snake was cruising around possibly looking for females. You also said in emails that the animal struck and coiled up on a rat while feeding. Quite frankly, neither of those statements you've made sound very much like the limp, almost lifeless animal you have described here for us in the beginning of this thread.

Fourth, you have yet to answer Mike's questions regarding your quarantine practices employed with this animal. It may make no difference at all, but your lack of an answer begins to be suspect each time you post without a response of some sort.

Bobby,

I also have a couple of things for you to address, if you would. These are:

First, where are the other emails that you sent to Randy? We see his to you, but where are your replies? I think the complete context needs to be seen for a full comprehension to be had.

Second, is it common knowledge that snow boas are light sensitive (photophobic)? I have no interest or experience in boas, so I have to plead ignorance on this. Should Randy have known to expect this from anyone's snow boas? Granted, I would never spend 10K on any animal without knowing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING about my new acquisition BEFORE sending the money, but is Randy in the wrong for not knowing this ahead of time? Do you think that is something you should have made certain he was aware of before accepting his money?

I don't know either person involved, but I have seen people say that both of you are trustworthy. Surely two intelligent, trustworthy individuals can come to a suitable solution in this. Addressing the issues outlined above (and what ever other questions others may have) seems to be a good start, to me.
 
JMHO here (both mine and my "business partner" lol, my wife Angela)...
We both read these posts and were real "pro Randy" up to the part about the amount of length he had the animal...8 days is just too long. If you were just a little uncertain about the snake when it arrived that issue should have been taken up immediately...also Randy's emails state the animal was active in his care and feeding...Not boa folks so we don't know who Bill Cagle is or what the implied issues about his reptiles are, but it seems a valid concern, not to want to reintroduce an animal into your collection that has been with other "questionable" reptiles...maybe some "sellers remorse" on Randy's part? I'm sure we'd all like to know what the vet findings are, and don't envy either of your's position...also jmho i would have wanted to see a vet report on the animal due to its value before initiating a trade in the first place. We hope you two can work this out.
 
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