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BP Genetics Question,How Is This Possible?

WillArt

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So,I have this normal female I got last year that I paired with a pastel,which did lock this year.When I purchased her she was paired with a spider already and possibly gravid from the spider pairing.The gentlemen I purchased her from only had her for a short time and unsure of her history before this.Since then she has laid and after pipping I have cut the eggs,still waiting for them to emerge from there slumbers.Heres the thing though,she laid 9 healthy eggs and all 9 of them are spider and I am not completely sure of that either?There is not one normal in that clutch and they look almost pewter.No color to them at all!Hard to see exactly,but what I know for sure is no normals! How and has this happened to anyone before?
 
Since the Spider morph is a dominant trait, it's (rare but) completely possible that you could end up with all Spider babies. It's just a roll of the dice for each baby, and it sounds like you got all '7's.
 
Thanks for the info
, I gave that thought,but reverted back to same rules apply as co-dom. Learn something new every day I guess. Lucky me! Nice spiders too
 
^Yup, in a Spider x Wild Type (Normal) pairing, each egg has a 50% chance of being Spider...

Just like when you roll a single 6 sided die, you have a 50% chance of the number on the die being odd...

In your case, having 9 eggs each with a 50% chance of being Spider and all of them proving to be Spider... is like rolling 9 dice and all of the numbers displayed being odd. While the odds are against it, it is totally possible.
 
If I read that correctly u said u bought her last breeding season after she was paired with a spider, then bred her to a pastel this year and got all spiders? AMAZING!!!! Screw the odds, the only way u could be luckier is if they were all females!
 
Th Egg Gods smiled upon your clutch. I had a spider male that never sired a non-spider in the clutches I got from him. Now if I could just get that kind of odds with any other clutches...

The babies probably look extremely pale because they haven't finished coloring up yet. Wait until they hatch out and have the first shed before you decide on the coloration. Lots of early hatchlings will appear pale then darken with the first shed. I saw it with my clutches(even in non-spiders).

Good luck and congrats!
 
Update !

All doing well.Yes she was paired with the pastel,but apparently retained the spider instead.Six out of nine were female,so not that lucky but very close!
 
congrats on the odds!!! I hope I get one of my females to lay 9 bees out of a clutch I would probably shed a tear lol.
 
Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? It was bandied about that a Super would produce all Spiders in every clutch (although there would be no way to visually differentiate a Super from a Normal Spider)...something to consider?
 
deborahbroadus said:
Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? It was bandied about that a Super would produce all Spiders in every clutch (although there would be no way to visually differentiate a Super from a Normal Spider)...something to consider?
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Unless someone is willing to do some really in depth lab work,I guess we will never know.That had actually came up from a local breeder in my area who thought the same thing.Seems logical that it should be that way but....
 
The odds of you getting all nine spider babies is just less than 0.2%. Terribly unlikely. Id say odds are she was bred to a male homozygous for the spider trate. A "super spider" which would look no different but would carry 2 spider genes and would sire 100% spider babies. As far as the delayed fertilization goes, you'd need to know more about the timeline of the spider pairings to warrant a guess. Though snake sperm is encapsulated and capable of surviving for quite some time. Congratulations though!! That's very exciting!!
 
Erhm.... (whispers) - its actually 4 letters.

But all the same yes we want pics! And to the person who has the spider male that consistantly throws all spiders, ( sorry, im on my phone so cant go back check ur name) how many females has he produced with?
 
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I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?
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Randy F said:
deborahbroadus said:
Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? QUOTE]

I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?
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I'm not sure that I'm getting your point. Can you clarify?
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Randy F said:
deborahbroadus said:
Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? QUOTE]

I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?
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I think my brain just exploded, :rofl:
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