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BP Growth Charts

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Hey, everyone! Long time, no see! ;)

One of the questions I hear a lot from new BP owners is, "How much should my BP weigh at ** months/years?" There are lots of things I'm keeping track of with regards to my own ball pythons and FAQs, and one of them is growth rates.

Below are plots of weight with respect to age for most of my ball pythons. (Y'all are stuck with Excel graphs for now, sorry. Once I get off my butt, I'll be plotting this in IDL with a trendline and 1-sigma error bars.) Because of the few number of snakes listed, the errors in these are going to be rather large; however, I thought I'd post 'em here for now as a reference. I will continue updating these, of course, and I'll try to re-post the charts every so often (especially when I do them properly).

I'm not saying these are the "be all, end all" of "proper" BP growth; I'm just showing what mine usually do.

Please note: Europium and Ferrum are outliers (i.e. not normal with respect to the rest of the snakes).

101218_growth_f_norm.jpg


101218_growth_m_norm.jpg


If anyone would like to include their snakes, feel free! I'd love additional data. (And yes, you will be cited...not that these data are going to be published or anything, but it's still a good practice.) However, please note the following guidelines:

1. I've broken down the time into the following bins: 0 (hatch weight), 2, 4, 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 36, 42, 48 months for females and up to 36 months for males. Round to the nearest one, if you can. (But don't worry too much about accuracy; some of these are averaged values between weighings, so just use your best judgment.)

2. Please only include female weights up until follicle development during their first breeding season; I don't want the data contaminated by the changes that occur with breeding.

3. If you received the snake when it was, say, 6 months old, don't estimate the weight prior to then; start at 6 months and go from there.

4. If you power-feed, if a snake is a poor feeder, or if your snake has other issues that would make its growth atypical, don't include it, please. You can include snakes that eat normally but seem to grow abnormally slowly or quickly (like Eu and Fe above), but if there's obviously something wrong, then don't include those data. (For example, Xenon, my female Woma, is not here because she has a severe wobble and is a terrible eater. She's almost two years old and is still less than 400 grams.)

Other comments, as always, are encouraged and appreciated.
 
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Thanks, John!

Yes, they're nutso!!! They're brother and sister (from OzzyBoids), and despite that they're only 1 yr 5 mo old, they're 1600 and 2000 g, respectively. I wasn't sure whether to breed Eu this year or not. She's plenty big enough, but she's not even 1.5 years old yet!!! (And both only get fed one small rat a week.) o_O Oz must breed some crazy-go-nuts snakes!
 
neat! I ONLY just weighed my pastel female, but i may have her 6mo weight. let me see if i can, sadly it will only be 2 points, but she isn't powerfed.

How frequently do you feed your snakes?
 
Updated Growth Charts

Okay, I finally got my data transferred over to something other than Excel.... :p And they've been updated with new data! Yay!

Three-Year Plots

1. Black dots are individual weights including measurement errors (too small to see).
2. Red squares are averages in 100-day bins with 1-sigma errors (1 standard deviation).
3. The blue line is a running average in bins of 50 days with 25-day steps.
4. Only includes snakes for which I have exact hatch dates.
5. Only includes weights for females up to ovulation (if not before).
6. Note the different y-axis scales.
7. Vertical dotted lines indicate 1 and 2 years, respectively.

weight_3yr_all.jpg


The error bars are huge mostly because of Eu (female) and Fe (male), who are incredible outliers. (They are the heaviest and fastest-growing snakes in the above plot.) So to better compare with normal-growing pythons is the following graph, which is the same as the one above but without these two snakes.

weight_3yr_noEuFe.jpg



One-Year Plots

It's a bit difficult to see the first years' worth of growth due to all the points being so close together, and I have additional data in this age range from hatchlings I've sold, so now I plot basically the same thing as before but only up to one year of age. The same caveats apply to these as the ones above with the following modifications:

1. Includes snakes in my collection and babies sold.
2. Averages are in 25-day bins.
3. Running average is in bins of 20 days with 10-day steps.

weight_1yr_all.jpg


And the same thing but excluding Eu and Fe.

weight_1yr_noEuFe.jpg


Now, all of these are still pretty rough given the small number of snakes in each plot. This can especially be seen in the rapid variations of the running averages. The data will get better as more snakes are added.

These are not meant as the be-all and end-all of "how BPs should grow." Growth rates will change depending on location, food items, how many times they're fed each week, average temperature, etc.


Pre-Lay Shed to Laying

One more thing I've been looking at is the amount of time between the pre-lay shed and laying. The vast majority of the websites/books I've read say female snakes lay their eggs 26 to 30 days after their pre-lay shed. With both my own experience and reading about others' clutches here, I started wondering if this range was even remotely accurate. So I put my data in with several others' from here and binned it all up.

prelay_to_lay.jpg


This shows the distribution of pre-lay shed to lay times for 19 snakes (some of these are from the same snake, just different breeding years). Again, we're dealing with small numbers, but it's already showing a very different trend than what is generally accepted.

The Day 48 way out there on the right is probably an outlier, so if I remove that point, the mean becomes 33 +/- 4 days, which is not significantly different than if we include that point.

I know this seems like a minor thing, but it's nice to know not to panic when a female goes much longer than 30 days! ;)

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Questions, comments, and suggestions are welcome! Let me know if anything doesn't make sense or is confusing; I want these to be easy to read!

Thanks to Bob O'Brien, Sue Anderson, Pamela Trentham, and Michael Losoya for contributing data to the Pre-Lay to Lay plot.

All plots will eventually be posted on the website. If anyone wants the data used in these plots, just ask.

All plots were made using IDL.
 
What a cool project.. even though their are only six snakes represented at the moment, I think it just shows what a huge range in growth occurs in these animals! Thank you for sharing this!
 
Updated Charts

Been a while since I posted new plots, so here we go! Only a few changes this time around:

1. I removed the running average because it was kind of pointless.
2. For the one-year-long growth charts, I color-coded the points: black for snakes in my collection and blue for snakes I either sold or am planning on selling.

Three-year growth charts. As before, the dotted lines indicate one and two years of age, respectively, and the right edge of the plot is year three.

weight_3yr_all.jpg


Same but with two outliers removed.

weight_3yr_noEuFe.jpg


One-year growth charts.

weight_1yr_all.jpg


Again, same but without the outliers.

weight_1yr_noEuFe.jpg


I have also added a few new clutches to this plot, which shows the number of days between a female's pre-lay shed and actually laying the eggs.

prelay_to_lay.jpg


Without the two outlying points beyond 40 days, the mean is 33 +/- 4 days.
 
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