Bad Guy Branden Vullo (gymped)- BEWARE

[Playboid]

Let me put this entire situation in a different light, which is where I think the true problem exists......

$15 for 1000 small
$35 for 1000 medium
$55 for 1000 Large
$75 for 1000 X-Large..... 6k sm 13k md 12k lg 3k xlg

At the time Branden was ready to ship, he claimed he had
6K small = $90
13K medium = $455
12K Large = $660
3K X-Large = $225......

$1430 in roaches. That's a RIDICULOUSLY LONG way from his original thought of having $15,000 and just as ridiculous at the agreed trade of the $10,000.....

Now add in the 30k X-Large that became adults, a $2250 value.... you're at $3680, still about 64% short of the order....

NOW look at what Branden is asking for ADULT females, $1 each.... suddenly, those 30,000 X-Large aren't worth $2250 to him like he agreed.... They're worth $30,000!!!

Which begs the next question, WHO'S ROACHES ARE THEY? If the 30,000 were set aside for me once we agreed to trade, then wouldn't they be mine the minute he accepted the snakes? So who cares if they molted, they were mine at 10:30am EST April 16th..... I don't care if they molted after that. REGARDLESS of their size, Dan was still wholesaling them at XL prices.

So what's really going on here? $15,000 to $10,000 to $3680 to $1430 to $1100 to $181 in 2 weeks? Where did they all go? Not to mention, WHERE ARE MY SNAKES???

I know you guys all like to get to the bottom of everything, but numbers don't lie. If the 30k XL molted, then sell half at $.50 each and send me the money owed. Branden would still be left with 15,000 adults that should technically have been mine. This isn't rocket science. It doesn't take a PhD to see through the smoke screens. He has the ability to pay me. He refuses to send whats mine, roaches or snakes, either is fine with me. He doesn't want to do the work to sell the roaches himself, he wants us to do it. Not to mention, I'd be rebuying what I already paid for but at a huge price increase.... I'm not an idiot. Don't let him fool you. He can end this tonight if he wanted to and make it right. He's choosing not to..... I just don't understand why??? What did I do to him for him to screw around with me the way he is?

I'm sorry I keep posting, but I am extremely stressed out by all of this. I haven't slept, ate, or functioned properly in a couple of weeks. I've had 1 good nights rest, only because I was exhausted. Branden just doesn't realize how this is affecting me. Maybe it's because he's financially set? IDK... Any way you cut it, I kept my end of the deal and I don't deserve how I'm being treated. I hope the community will get behind me, I don't have many other options. This type of thing has to stop!!!

 

[Lucille]

Again, from what I understand, Wayne, your business partner did not want ANY adults. It seems because of the length of the deal, how long it took to get the snakes to Branden, a bunch of the roaches foreseeably molted into adults.
This was a foreseeable event yet there was no contract, so now it has to be addressed after the fact.
He did send some roaches to you and is offering to send more in shipments as they become available. Apparently from his last post he is willing to fill in what he owes with adults at the price y'all had in your previous arrangements. That seems reasonable.
The roaches he has are now adults and valued at $1. You want him to sell them at 50 cents.
He does not want to sell in small lots and neither do you.
There is a shared responsibility to solve this situation, which was foreseeable. That means that both parties were responsible for the molting into adults that your business partner did not want, and Branden is making some reasonable suggestions to complete this transaction based on the past dealings both of you had.

 

[Playboid]

Lucille you're understanding of the time frames are completely skewed. How could he have roaches set aside for a deal that wasn't made? We agreed on a deal April 15th and he received the snakes April 16th. And his offer to send roaches whenever he wants at whatever quantity he wants over however long it takes is UNACCEPTABLE!

MORESO there was no agreed price on adults because NO ADULTS WERE WANTED! And how do you think it's ok to use orevious deal prices for a completely different deal? I was selling banana ball pythons for $1500 in late 2013 and early 2014. If one of those customers contacted me today, do I get to charge them $1500 for a banana today because they bought one for $1500 a year ago?

Lucille, you're either not grasping the deal or you don't want to. There was an agreement. He didn't honor it. Now he wants me to bend over and accept his unreasonable terms to allow him to make it right by what's convenient for him while inconveniencing me???

Anyone else have an opinion?

 

[Playboid]

And why is no one mentioning the easiest thing to do??! SEND ME BACK MY SNAKES!!!

 

[Lucille]

Lucille you're understanding of the time frames are completely skewed. How could he have roaches set aside for a deal that wasn't made?

In the first week of April, Branden contacted me asking if I was interested in trading.

Over the next couple of days (April 22nd to April 26th, I'm speculating dates at this point and I will explain why at the end), Branden explained to me that the roaches he had set aside for me had molted and were now adults.

From talk to molt, I see 3-4 weeks.

 

[srsb]

I don't often comment, but this one seems so obvious to me as to who is right: Wayne, I think you are in the right, without a doubt. Remind me never to ask Branden for "help" if this is his idea of "helping" you - takes your snakes, and is unable to complete the deal as agreed upon, and refuses to send cash. So, Branden now has everything, and you have nothing.
Since Branden apparently can't come up with the agreed-upon roaches immediately, then he should send your snakes back, or send you the cash value. Immediately.

 

[Lucille]

And why is no one mentioning the easiest thing to do??! SEND ME BACK MY SNAKES!!!

You could discuss that option with Branden, there would have to be agreement on both sides as to how many snakes might be sent, because you were sent a shipment of roaches on April 29.

 

[Playboid]

Talk to me shipping is no more than 10 days Lucille. Besides, even if they didn't molt, he would still be 64% short of what he said he had!!! How are you missing all of the pertinent information?

 

[yeloowtang]

I have to side with Wayne on this one, the deal was made and roaches were set asside for him..

so no matter if they morphed into adults, they are his roaches..

best example i could give to compare!!! is someone making a deal on a bunch of baby snakes that are not sexed yet.. you fix an agreed pricing for them,, then if it takes two weeks to ship and the guy decides to sex the snakes and realizes they are all females and should be worth twice as much !!!! the deal was made plain and simple... he can't turn around and change the deal and price to suite his needs..

If he had shipped the roaches when he was supposed to, this wouldn't be an issue..

either he sends him the roaches that were set asside for him
or
send back his snakes, even the stolen ones that his brother took

 

[Playboid]

Lucille, again, how about ALL of the snakes! The roaches he sent were worth $181! That barely covered shipping.

I appreciate everyone's opinion. I'd love to hear from Branden again. I really would like to come to an agreed, fair solution. Like the one I suggested where he sends me back what snakes he has then compensates me for what's missing.

 

[Lucille]

Lucille, again, how about ALL of the snakes! The roaches he sent were worth $181! That barely covered shipping.

I appreciate everyone's opinion. I'd love to hear from Branden again. I really would like to come to an agreed, fair solution. Like the one I suggested where he sends me back what snakes he has then compensates me for what's missing.

I don't know either of you, and there appears to be disagreement on the value of the roach shipment sent to you.

On Wednesday April 29th, Branden decided to ship what was left of the roaches he had set aside for me originally. His value was $2500, but the value at the agreed prices was around $1100 Branden estimated.... When the box arrived, it weighed 3lbs, 10oz. The box and egg crates accounted for almost half of the weight. After sorting, the roaches he sent had a $181 value based on what was in the box and at the agreed prices..

I agree with you that what is needed here is an agreed, fair solution.

 

[Pasodama]

Branden breeched the contract.
He agreed to the terms, of the deal, and failed, miserably, in upholding his end of it.
Therefore, Branden is, completely, in the wrong.

Worse yet, it appears (later) that Branden did not even have enough roaches, to begin with (in order to uphold his end), while making the deal with Wayne.

After deal was made, and after receiving the snakes, Branden decided to change the terms of the deal (breeched contract). Branden also refused to send Wayne's snakes back when it was requested (since Branden could not uphold his end).
He should have returned the snakes.

It appears that Branden had, immediately, sold a couple/few of the snakes that Wayne sent him. This seems to be what Branden told Wayne when Wayne requested his snakes back (after finding that Branden could not complete the deal).
Branden, apparently, kept the proceeds, of the snake sales, and didn't have the decency to even think of offering some of it to Wayne (in consideration that he owes Wayne roaches that he cannot provide).
Plus refuses (again) to send what snakes he has left when Wayne, then, requested that.

Meanwhile Branden is trying to get Wayne to agree on different, and unacceptable, terms re. the roaches.
This is, all, so wrong!

 

[Gymped]

Once again I was told to send whatever denomination of roaches at their said price per 1k and the rest in adult females at our price. Once the value of the roaches as adult females exceeded what they wanted they had attempted to change the agreement. As for anyone who asks how I had put aside roaches and if they were his already this is not true, as with our last ($14,000) deal that went smoothly. When I had a ballpark price during negotiations prior to any final deal being struck I put aside roughly $7500-9000 in nymphs aside depending on how the sizing went away from my main collection as to not over trade in other deals at the time and have to delve into my
Main colony. This was roughly 4-6 weeks before our deal was struck. By the time the deal was completed and his partner had found a buyer for a large deal of them. Many had turned to adults which I thought would be no problem as you can not argue the value of females sent as all are hand counted and sold a flat price (hence why I like selling adult females no scrutinizing value as they did on my apparent 3.5lb box of roaches being only worth $181) I figured they would not mind that many adult females. This was unsatisfactory as he told me that he did not want adult females. Another reason for delay on shipment is that Wayne and his silent partner live in the Chicago area and the temps were dropping to 45 at night and I believe reaching 55 during the day max, I could not guarantee live arrival with said temps on such a large order so he did not mind waiting at the time. Plain and simple Wayne did not specify anything about what was 100% what he wanted until he realized his partner did not want adults. As per messages they both said fill whatever you have to with adult females but we prefer nymphs nothing was said about no adult females until the amount that he wanted was exceeded. I will not go into anymore detail as Wayne has threatened me with legal action, and as per my council I should not even be posting here but I do care about the community. Everything was fine until Wayne did not want the roaches offered there was no set in stone this was all a send me x dollars in any roaches, I sent roaches it was not what he wanted. I will not be told I what I sent does not match up when I have done this for years and never had a complaint I agreed with his expertise his snakes were worth his time quotes but now under his scrutiny my x amount isn't worth what he said based on his biased weighing. He could
Have easily taken adult females which can not be argued as you can hand count them. I was never told no adult females until he realized it was more than he wanted leaving no room for them to squeeze more and more nymphs from me. I sent roaches he didn't want a scenario that didn't give him complete control over the bartering. Enough said anyone who feels I am wrong is entitled to their opinion just know that this is the first complaint I've ever received and this is on an open ended deal to send what I wanted to cover animals. Next time I will make sure I get a contract to save everyone time and a headache.


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[Playboid]

First sentence is 100% FALSE! Branden we said NO ADULTS!!! PERIOD! Please post some sort of proof that, BEFORE YOU DEFAULTED ON THE DEAL, we ever said it was ok to send adults.

Your entire post is false Branden. I have written proof of our deal in the assessment from Facebook. NONE of what you're claiming is true.

 

[Playboid]

Now I hope you all see what I'm dealing with. One lie after another. He has provided NOTHING to back his claims. And he keeps saying "what I wanted was exceeded" I DID NOT WANT ANY ADULTS! PERIOD!

Now he wants to run and hide behind his "council" and if anyone notices, he still is refusing to simply send back my snakes!

Branden, you're a fraud. Plain and simple.

 

[Pasodama]

Branden, it would be in your best interest to post any proof you have, if any, about all that you stated.

BTW You stated that the box (of roaches), that you already sent to Wayne, was about 8 lbs. However, the box label clearly shows 3 lbs. 10 oz. That includes roach, box, and egg crate weight. Why the discrepancy?

 

[Pasodama]

Next time I will make sure I get a contract to save everyone time and a headache

This is a good business practice for everyone.

 

[Playboid]

Pasodama, contracts I learned mean nothing. All you can do is file a civil suit and even with a contract all you receive is a judgement that allows you to garnish wages and put leans on property. I'm going through it all now. Technically the Facebook assessment is a reinforcement of a verbal contract. A written contract in all reality doesn't mean anything more than proof of a verbal one. It's just easier to prove fault. It doesn't help recover anything.

Branden is gone. He won't reply again. He did this via text and on Facebook. He just runs and hides. Still would like an answer on why he won't ship back the animals he didn't have "stolen"?

 

[Lucille]

Branden, it would be in your best interest to post any proof you have, if any, about all that you stated.

BTW You stated that the box (of roaches), that you already sent to Wayne, was about 8 lbs. However, the box label clearly shows 3 lbs. 10 oz. That includes roach, box, and egg crate weight. Why the discrepancy?

Is it possible to see a photo of the shipping box with both Branden's and Dan's names? Not just an anonymous box with a weight?

I'd like to see the box with the names on it, just to be sure that is the box used for this transaction. Could we have another picture please?

 

[Pasodama]

You are right, a verbal contract is just as enforceable as a written contract.
A written contract is better, though, since everything is spelled out and leaves very little room for "he said, she said".