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I'll remove the post if it's a female give me one sec to get more pics

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Snake-Queen said:
That appears to be a female.
Get a picture of the pores please.
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I'm doing all this solo but the vet confirmed male not that their perfect either. I won't be mad if he's actually a she...
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Without seeing the pores on the legs (turn the dragon over and take a picture of the back legs), I am almost positive the dragon sold to you is a female, not a male.
 
Robert Walker said:
Try taking a breath instead, read what I wrote again. Pretty clear, I said nothing of this particular seller.
So... again, was it sold to you as a "proven breeder"... yes or no?
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I'm not in need of a breath lol I went off what you said on my thread about a guy selling me a dragon to breed. You stated if you can't breed them you sale them, correct? If you can't make money you have to make room. I can understand that but again any dragon being sold for none production need to be sold with full disclosure that they are pet quality... Then there would be no need for these kind of post.

Snake Queen do you believe the vet was incorrect in also determining this to be a male?
 
Snake-Queen said:
Without seeing the pores on the legs (turn the dragon over and take a picture of the back legs), I am almost positive the dragon sold to you is a female, not a male.
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I may have to wait for my son to get home he/she is not going to just lay on the back. I was also told he was easy to handle when he hates being handled pretty much has gotten better but still is nervous as heck being handled. I'll see if I can get some pics but probably have to wait. I'd prefer this is a female rather than he sold me a male that doesn't perform. I do agree with some of what was said about dragons having individual personalities and such as all mine are different.
 
Redsky29 said:
I can understand that but again any dragon being sold for none production need to be sold with full disclosure that they are pet quality...
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"Never been bred"
What does this mean to you?
Did you ask him elsewhere if he was a proven breeder.
If the dragon has "never been bred", then the seller admits he doesn't actually know if the male is great, good or bad at breeding...he simply doesn't know. Those waters have never been tested.

By you purchasing a unproven animal, you also don't know. You took a gamble by not purchasing a "proven breeder", correct?
 

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Robert Walker said:
I may have missed it, but was this animal sold to you as a "proven breeder"?

Side rant independent of the this thread:
Sometimes it is hard for us to remember that these are individual animals with distinct personalities & preferences, they are not automated machines.

Meaning, just because we want them to breed with a specific girl/boy, doesn't mean they will.


Similar to humans, there are simply some that may have very little to no reproductive sex drive.

Low testosterone


It happens. Selling off animals that won't "produce" is fairly common. Not saying that is the case here. Unless it is 100% a pet, animals cost money to maintain and that cost can be justified by some because they hope to recoup those losses by producing offspring.

Meaning, you bought the animal as an investment, but if it will not breed, you cannot sell babies to recoup the cost of the original dragon plus upkeep.

No offspring, no money...animal gets sold.
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Robert Walker said:
"Never been bred"
What does this mean to you?
Did you ask him elsewhere if he was a proven breeder.
If the dragon has "never been bred", then the seller admits he doesn't actually know if the male is great, good or bad at breeding...he simply doesn't know. Those waters have never been tested.

By you purchasing a unproven animal, you also don't know. You took a gamble by not purchasing a "proven breeder", correct?
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Had he not stated he would make a great breeder there would be no dispute at all..... go see the message I posted directly from him..... In the end yes it is on me for purchasing an untested male and relying on something someone stated...
 
Attached are some bearded dragon sexing guides.
 

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Redsky29 said:
He has never been bred...but he would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines.
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Redsky29 said:
Had he not stated he would make a great breeder there would be no dispute at all
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Hopefully this all can be a learning experience for you and others reading.
Putting aside the male vs. female issue (thanks Melissa), twice the seller clearly states "he has never been bred". Any other statement past that regarding future breeding gusto by the animal is 100% speculation.

As buyers it becomes our job to understand these statements. "he would be a perfect breeder" alone is an improvable statement. It becomes the sellers job to avoid such insinuations, BUT it also falls on the excited buyer to realize what "never been bred" actually means.

I take the sellers statement of "would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines" to be more of a generalization of genetic pairing possibilities vs. any kind of guaranteed claim on behalf of the dragon's sex performance (had it been a male).

As for the seller not responding, that is a different matter that needs addressing if this is in fact a female.
 
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