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Break in at Carolina Reptile Exchange (Bruce Eisenmanns store)

Aries54 said:
isn't it funny that anytime someone tells bruce something like this,....that someone is pissed at him,......he acts like he has no idea what has happened. "geez, that's the first I've heard of it. wow." I can even picture him saying it. It's so sad and pathetic, that it's almost funny. And as far as Bruce's "word",.............well, lady, I dont know you,................but Bruce's word means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! There is NOT a single person that he has come into contact with that he has not lied to. He lies to everyone,....friends (what few of those he actually has), his sons, his mom, his minister at church, the list goes on and on. Chuck, I wish you the best of luck.


Look, I am not saying that I believe anything. But I am being bullied by Chuck and that is totally wrong of him to do. If he would have played nice to begin with, with me, he may have had to wait a little bit, but may have liked the outcome better.
 
Oh Please!

My guess is that this 'kim' either is brucie, or is some naive fool that he has badgered into kicking tires for him.

Dont play your hand, Chuck. Anyone who is friends with bruce obviously has no shame, intelligence or sense of what is right.

Gino Beniquez
 
My flaggs were flying !

Yea I have to agree with gino on this , Im not sure who Kim And Scott are for sure but it wouldnt suprise me if Scott was Bruce .lol.
I did hear a womans voice in the background so I believe kim Moore is an actual woman. (not bruce)
My gut feeling is that they are just friends with Bruce , Obviously they have some reptile related dealings with him .
And now they have come to realize that they can not opperate in this industry if people associate them with Bruce , So they are acting like they have severed all ties.
WHO CARES,,,,,,,,,
Bottom line is this .
They are associated with him , and Im not threatining them or BULLYING them
at all .
They offered to help ------ They reached out to me ------- And when the time came to actually go through with it, They started back peddling and comming up with excuses.
Dont be thinking your being bullied by me "slinkybink"
I dont give 2 shtz about ya,
Chuck Tornetta
 
Kim,.........Chuck is right. As soon as it came time to put up or shut up, you started acting like he was "bullying" you. OH PLEASE! How about this, you go out and get ripped off for thousands,.....yea,...THOUSANDS,............if you're actually a friend of Bruce's, I probably have to say this one more time for you to understand,..............FREAKIN' THOUSANDS of dollars, and see how you act towards people that say they want to help, but then dont. I understand your point about giving the snakes away. You're right, you cant' do that. They may not be the ones in question. But if you cant help, then shut up. Bruce has screwed me out of lots of money as well. Not quite as much as Chuck though. Heck, 80% of the people that are reading this have probably been screwed by bruce. By the way,....just out of curiosity, I noticed your last name.....are you related any way to the person that owns "pet pros" in Rock Hill??
 
A Question

Chuck,

I'd ask the mods for an IP check on what's-her-face if I were you...

The woman's voice could be brucie (he is good at that) or one of his gentlemen callers from his days in the joint.

Best Wishes,

Gino Beniquez
 
I read all the e-mails.
Below is a short synopsis of what i gathered from the e-mails



Person A : I have snakes here that might belong to you.

Person B: Cool, ship them over.

Person A: I can't ship them. why don't you come over and just pick them up.

person B: I can't come over, but I have a customer that can pick them up.

Person A: I changed my mind. You will now need a receipt.

Person B: Sure thing. I will have my guy come with receipts.

Person A: I changed my mind. You will now need a sheriff to come with you.

Person B: I am not bringing the sheriff.

Person A: In that case. They are not going to you. Stop bullying me. I wanted to help you but you keep bulllying me. Leave me alone. Why am I in the midle of all this? This is between you and bruce. Now he is going o pick up the snakes. And they will die. and it is all YOUR fault


HUH !?!?!?! Nuts anyone?
 
yea,..........and the more I think about this,..............the more I start to think that this is either Bruce acting under another name,.....or it's a puppet of bruce's and he's pulling ALL of the strings. Because that line about bringing cops, sounds like something he would pull. Everyone has to remember one thing. In order to screw as many people as he has, he's not stupid. The man is a VERY smart scam artist. He knows what he's doing. He uses the people closest to him in order to accomplish his goals. Oh, and Kim,.........why have you not answered my question????????? Kim, my other question is, you have the retics,...........right? Well, where are the other animals that he had in the store? Dead? Shoved in shoe boxes under his bed?
 
Well I think Kim's request to have a sheriff oversee is perfectly reasonable. She claims she is just taking care of Bruce's animals so she has absolutly zero legal grounds to give them to anyone, reciept or not. But if a law enforcement officer took them she would be protected from Bruce.

The way I see it there's two possibilities. Kim is legit and only trying to report the location of some of Bruce's "hidden wealth". Maybe she just "jumped the gun" trying to help, then realized that she could be liable to Bruce if she gave away his animals without sufficient proof. The other possibility is that she is not legit and she is trying to obtain info about what kind of evidence Chuck might have against Bruce. I don't see any conclusive proof either way.
 
Aaron Mattson said:
Well I think Kim's request to have a sheriff oversee is perfectly reasonable. She claims she is just taking care of Bruce's animals so she has absolutly zero legal grounds to give them to anyone, reciept or not. But if a law enforcement officer took them she would be protected from Bruce.

The way I see it there's two possibilities. Kim is legit and only trying to report the location of some of Bruce's "hidden wealth". Maybe she just "jumped the gun" trying to help, then realized that she could be liable to Bruce if she gave away his animals without sufficient proof. The other possibility is that she is not legit and she is trying to obtain info about what kind of evidence Chuck might have against Bruce. I don't see any conclusive proof either way.

Thank you very much for saying what no one would believe coming from me. Yes, I AM the idiot that thought I could help, but found that I could not help...I should have kept "shut up" from the get go. One thing no-one has considered....Chuck could not copy and paste the phone convo between him and my husband....so MUCH was left out. What you read about me agreeing to give Chuck the snakes was AFTER the phone convo, in which Scott told Chuck of the conditions for retrieval. That is something you cannot read from a copy and paste. I apologize Chuck, for involving myself in something I could not really help you much in. I also hate that you have lost so much. I am NOT stupid or nieve....I myself have caught Bruce in some lies. My only stupidity was thinking that I could effectively mediate something that has been way past mediation. I am sorry.
The reason I did not respond to you, Aries54, is that I said I was done the other day, and was trying to hold true to that.....no, I am no relation to the Pet Pros Moores....though we do go there and talk to them quite a bit. Other question, Bruce did come and get the 2 retics. I was upset about all of that, but another friend called and told us that Bruce gave them to him to hold on to for now...so at least I know they will be taken care of. As for the "shop" animals....most were sold. The "hot" snakes, I think he still has. I have no interest in "hots", though I hope they are being cared for.
Because Chuck was untrustworthy to me and posted all of my personal info for you all to read, feel free to check me out anywhere.....IP addy or whatever....let me just tell you it all, you all already know my addy and phone number, here is the rest.... I am almost 39 years old, female. Worked at Continental Tire for 16 years and was layed off after 16 years of service in May '06. I have since been going to ECPI Medical Institute for Medcial Assisting and graduated November 14th, 2007. I am currently out of work, but serching a medical assisting position.....I have a 4.0 GPA, perfect attendance. I owned a red-tailed boa several years ago, but had to get rid of it because the apartment owners found out about it. I got my next rtb at the Spartenburg show this past March, got another at the Columbia show in May. I found a black rat snake in my laundry room in March 2006 and kept it, and added another black rat snake a friend in Georgia found to the mix back in May. I have 2 horses, 6 ferrets, 4 snakes, and 2 kitties. Got married to my best friend, Scott, in March this year, after being together for 5 years.

Anything else I've left out, just let me know. I am an open book and have stepped both feet into a terrible situation.

If you all need a picture of the 2 of us.....I do have a good one of me and Scott when we got Stormy, my RTB at the Spartenburg show.....holding Stormy......otherwise, I AM done.
 
Oh, what the heck,........lets see the pic. The funny thing is, how do we know that this still isn't bruce? He could post a pic of some random person holding a boa.
 
GinoInDaBronx said:
Chuck,

I'd ask the mods for an IP check on what's-her-face if I were you...

The woman's voice could be brucie (he is good at that) or one of his gentlemen callers from his days in the joint.

Best Wishes,

Gino Beniquez


Guys come on, I know from what I have read this Bruce is a complete jerk and I didn't really follow the whole thread here to see what exactly is Kim's involvment, but I do know that Kim and Scott are Kim and Scott and not Bruce or one of Bruce's lackies. I know Kim from some other forums and she is who she says she is. And actually, she was on those sites looking for advice on what to do to help the snakes that were in pitiful condiction when they got them. I don't know her other than the internet but from what I do I know, I would trust her as far as I could trust someone on the net. I have close friends who trust her completely, so due to their faith in her, I wouldn't hesitate. I think she is trying to do what is right here and really, if she were to give away these snakes and Bruce would get his panties in a bunch, she and Scott could be liable and be sued by him. And from what I have read and heard, Bruce is the type of scum that would do just that. Having a sheriff or law offical there at the pick up is for their safety and I would check into having that done by the local on her end. As I said, I don't know exactly all that is going on, but I do know that Kim is Kim and she is trying to do what is right.

Scott Hartsock
(and before it is said, I am not Bruce :) )
 
A picture of her driver's license would be adequate.

Your's too Scott. You see, given brucies fondness for using other people's names, anyone who just "drops in" to defend anyone in reguards to him is suspiscious.

Nothing personal, but there is no trust involved where brucie is involved.
 
I have no involvement whatsoever with Bruce other than when he shows up at any show I'm vending at, I have a standing policy to add at least 3 zeros to the end of any priced item on my table and no animal is to be sold or priced to him at any price. And II have made every effort short of staging an all out boycott on the shows to get him banned from even entering. He is not in any way a friend of mine...nor is anyone that deals in voids. That said, Kim and Scott are friends and members of my site's forums. I recruited them to join when I met them at the Spartanburg show where I both sold them their boa and photographed them. I was doing pet portraits at the show. Someone had a kangaroo. It was pretty cool :)...anyway I am also the "guy from Ga" that gave them the black ratsnake at the Columbia show. I've met them a few times. Scott and a coworker has even been to my house. He was in town on business and stopped in. I've seen Bruce enough slithering up and down the aisles at the shows enough to recognize him. Scott and Bruce and certainly Kim and Bruce are not the same person. The reality here is, Scott and Kim are relatively new to all of this and are not yet familiar with who the good and bad reptile dealers are. Their getting mixed up with Bruce at all was as innocent as any tourist stumbling into a mob run Italian restaurant. They live near a pet store. They went in and made friends with the owner. The owner happened to be Bruce. By the time they dropped his name to enough people to get recoil and enlightenment...They already had his snakes in their possession under the guise of "babysitting". They knew no better. I allowed her to list them for sale on my site VERY reluctantly and made sure to add a few Bruce slams so people would know what they were dealing with. I told her and Scott both on the phone that he was probably hiding them from someone for some reason and that YES absolutely if they could find out who they are being hidden from that they should contact them and let them know where they are and make arrangements to get them to their rightful owner. There was also an albino green burm at one point but naturally, it died of chronic RI despite any attempt to save it. Bruce supposedly came over and gave it a shot of baytril right before it died. Who really knows what was in that shot? He has from what I've been told by the few people that admit to know him, been for quite some time now just letting everything die off from neglect. Too bad his mom didn't think of that way back whenever :)
 
You know bort, while it is nice of you to come and verify that these folks are who they say you are, don't you think it's a little uncool as well as illegal to encourage them to sell property that you knew was not theirs?

Have you done this for others on "your" site or is this the first time you've encouraged the sale of stolen property there?

I think it may have been better for all concerned to encourage them to give the animals back to brucie, regaurdless of what happened to them (we can't save them all especially if they do not belong to us) instead of aiding and abetting the slae of what could, had the sale gone through, have been stolen goods.
 
I never KNEW anything, willomena. The story that his shop shut down and mommy wouldn't let him keep snakes at her house was somewhat believable and for all I know, very well the case. It was only after they called me like 3 or 4 days ago reader's digesting what's going on here with this fellow from NJ that my suspicions started peaking and I suggested giving the guy a shot at collecting what's rightfully his if indeed they are rightfully his. I wasn't aiding and abetting anything. Without firsthand knowledge of an actual specific crime, my classifieds are no different than anyone else's. The responsibilities and legal issues if any all fall entirely on the buyer and seller. The circumstances were a bit odd. I wouldn't knowing allow Bruce to even be a member of my site, let alone post anything for sale though if for no other reason that I loathe the man and everything he represents. These particular animals however came to friends of mine in sad shape and they poured their hearts into getting them back to good health...and they care deeply for their welfare. So I was torn and thus the word "reluctantly" came into play. Anyway, good to see you too willomena. Sorry if I disappoint you in not being deeply embedded enough into this drama.
 
ahhh I reread my first post and it does look like my suspicions were from the start. They were not. I should have included a time line of when I reluctantly allowed them to post them and when the phone call about them was that I learned about the guy in NJ that made the little bulb upstairs click on. It was quite some time apart and believe it or not, not something that's been heavy on my mind through the holiday months.
 
Wilomn said:
A picture of her driver's license would be adequate.

Your's too Scott. You see, given brucies fondness for using other people's names, anyone who just "drops in" to defend anyone in reguards to him is suspiscious.

Nothing personal, but there is no trust involved where brucie is involved.

Personally I don't really feel the need to "prove" who I am, while I have not posted alot on here, I have been a member of this site for awhile and you can go and review my other posts. If I was Bruce, then this ruse would have had to been carefully planned for months.

I understand not trusting anyone fully where Bruce is involved, all I was trying to do was to confirm to you that Kim and others was her own person. I wasn't defending Bruce at all or anyone who defends him. From what I can see Kim is defending herself. She has no legal right to take the snake and give them to someone else who is owed money from Bruce. If that was the case, she could go borrow his car and drop it off to whoever is owed and say there ya go! The witchhunt is about Bruce, not Kim. Kim is defending herself in the matter and keeping her and Scott out of any possible trouble they could get from it. So why condemn her for that. The offer was made for the authorities to come and be there as a part of it. Was it all gone about the wrong way? I don't know, but as I stated before, Kim and Scott are Kim and Scott and with saying that I am in no way defending Bruce, but just trying to defend the fact that she can be trusted and actually trying to help you not look foolish because you are on this Kim is Bruce kick which when the truth is revealed will make all those who jumped on that bandwagon look like they have no credibility in that way.
 
If i have any say in it, The traps i think is full of crap, Clearly owner not very smart enough to install video camreas, Next time dude should install bullet proof windows, Case of a next break in wouldnt be much easyier, Or this storie could be a fake, Some dude trying get attention, But cant argue with my suggestion,
 
Thank you Brett and Hartsock for trying to help me out of this, but I did get myself into this mess. I don't want to see either of you getting bashed for my stupidity.
I will not post DL's, as that gives even more personal info about me on the net. At this point, I don't care who believes or does not believe me. I thought the ferret world could be mean and vendictive...but it doesn't hold a candle to this. Here is the pic of me and Scott at the Spartanburg show last March.

OurBaby.jpg
 
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