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Break in at Carolina Reptile Exchange (Bruce Eisenmanns store)

Tom this permit you speak of what kind of permit? What is the name of the permit? and with what state agency are you atempting to get this permit from? everytime you reply I will ask these again till you answer
 
I have been talking to the Govenors office and they said there is a permit for snakes over 6ft and venomous they are sending me info on in the mail and I will be glad to send you copies when I get it or anyone
 
Lisa - Great to see you posting here on this. It is a shame what is happening. Have you guys seen Bruce's Criminal record on here. We will call you guys later.

It looks to me that Bruce - if I am reading them all correctly just got off probation in 8/2003. Not too long ago.
I am wondering if Bruce is a suspect to the authorities in this whole thing. If not he SHOULD BE.

TOM - Dosent matter if there is a possible permit. You CAN NOT GET OR KEEP the hots or illegal snakes until you have the permit already. So your effort to defend what you are saying is not validated by claim of the govenors office is sending me paperwork.

I have my HOT license which I am very proud of and if I were to move to another house here in FL I would not be able to move my hots to the new residence until I had a new permit for the address provided. Which takes a bit of time for FFWC to come and inspect it. It would be illegal for me to move in with my hots to that new address until I got that new permit. Florida has the system ironed out as far as hot keeping.

Point is this Tom you are wrong. You knowing let Bruce ship it the way he did and you knowingly are breaking the laws in your state and federal laws by accepting the snake thru fedex.

Beth
 
THis is PART of what I read in one of the webpages I found regarding snakes/reptiles in Ill.
It reads as follows:

ALSO NOTE: In the State of Illinois, it is illegal to own any venomous reptile and/or any constrictor with a length greater than six feet. This is due to the Illinois Dangerous Animals Act which was written and enforced by the Illinois Dept. of Agriculture. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find much information on this statute.


Here is the link to the site.

http://www.prairienet.org/cash/statelaw.htm
 
The below info is from the Illinois Dangerous Animals Act, Tom

585/0.1 DEFINITIONS


SECTION 0.1. As used in this Act, unless the context otherwise requires: "Dangerous animal" means a lion, tiger, leopard, ocelot, jaguar, cheetah, margay, mountain lion, lynx, bobcat, jaguarundi, bear, hyena, wolf or coyote, or any poisonous or life-threatening reptile.


"Owner" means any person who (a) has a right of property in a dangerous animal, (b) keeps or harbors a dangerous animal, (c) has a dangerous animal in his care, or (d) acts as custodian of a dangerous animal.


"Person" means any individual, firm, association, partnership, corporation, or other legal entity, any public or private institution, the State of Illinois, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision of the State.


Added by P.A. 84-28, 3, eff. Jan. 1, 1986.


585/1 DANGEROUS ANIMALS PROHIBITED - EXCEPTIONS.


SECTION 1. No person shall have a right of property in, keep, harbor, care for, act as custodian of or maintain in his possession any dangerous animal except at a properly maintained zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, circus, scientific or educational institution, research laboratory, veterinary hospital or animal refuge in an escape-proof enclosure.

Here is the link to the page:
http://www.monkeymaddness.com/laws/il.html


There is pleanty more info, but I am sorry, I just do not buy it. Here is the link and I am sure Jason (since he lives in the same state as you) can give you even more info that might show you are not abising the laws of Illinois.

Jason is very correct in stating it is people that break laws that make it harder for us to keep such animals (not speaking of just venemous) and enjoying them to their fullest potential.
 
Pic Beth wanted to post

here it is
 

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Leroy Adams

Also ..... Leroy Adams is a man of his word. He is reliable, generous and an honest person. I am glad to call him my friend. I feel lucky to have met LeRoy and Lisa.

But what really pisses me off is that Bruce listed LeRoy as a suspect and gave his info to the police as a scape goat. LeRoy should have never been served a search warrant and put through that aggrivation. I feel bad that they have had to go through that.

I sure hope that Bruce apologizes to LeRoy. He OWES HIM!

Beth & Paul
 
Please do not jump my 'you know what', as I am not a well versed person on Copperheads. My question/point is that the lighter one just looks like a normal juvie, does it not? I know they are very vibrant as youngins........at least I thought they were.
 
Heres the IL law

720 ILCS 585/0.1) (from Ch. 8, par. 240)
Sec. 0.1. As used in this Act, unless the context otherwise requires:
"Dangerous animal" means a lion, tiger, leopard, ocelot, jaguar, cheetah, margay, mountain lion, lynx, bobcat, jaguarundi, bear, hyena, wolf or coyote, or any poisonous or life‑threatening reptile.
"Owner" means any person who (a) has a right of property in a dangerous animal, (b) keeps or harbors a dangerous animal, (c) has a dangerous animal in his care, or (d) acts as custodian of a dangerous animal.
"Person" means any individual, firm, association, partnership, corporation, or other legal entity, any public or private institution, the State of Illinois, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision of the State.
(Source: P.A. 84‑28.)
(720 ILCS 585/1) (from Ch. 8, par. 241)
Sec. 1. No person shall have a right of property in, keep, harbor, care for, act as custodian of or maintain in his possession any dangerous animal except at a properly maintained zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, circus, scientific or educational institution, research laboratory, veterinary hospital or animal refuge in an escape‑proof enclosure.
(Source: P.A. 84‑28.)



(720 ILCS 585/2) (from Ch. 8, par. 242)
Sec. 2. It is no defense to a violation of Section 1 that the person violating such Section has attempted to domesticate the dangerous animal. If there appears to be imminent danger to the public, any dangerous animal found not in compliance with the provisions of this Act shall be subject to seizure and may immediately be placed in an approved facility. Upon the conviction of a person for a violation of Section 1, the animal with regard to which the conviction was obtained shall be confiscated and placed in an approved facility, with the owner thereof to be responsible for all costs connected with the seizure and confiscation of such animal. Approved facilities include, but are not limited to, a zoological park, federally licensed exhibit, humane society, veterinary hospital or animal refuge.
(Source: P.A. 84‑28.)



(720 ILCS 585/3) (from Ch. 8, par. 243)
Sec. 3. Any person violating this Act shall be guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. Each day of violation constitutes a separate offense.
In the event the person violating this Act is a corporation or partnership, any officer, director, manager or managerial agent of the partnership or corporation who violates this Section or causes the partnership or corporation to violate this Section is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.
(Source: P.A. 84‑28.)



(720 ILCS 585/4) (from Ch. 8, par. 244)
Sec. 4. This Act shall be known and may be cited as the "Illinois Dangerous Animals Act".
(Source: P.A. 84‑28.)




Someone is feeding you full of crap Tom there is no 6ft law in private ownership, thats gossip that Gary used to spread. He told me it was 6ft himself. 6ft alpies ONLY to retail stores within IL, retail stores are governed by a differant set of laws then private ownership, case law for private ownership stands at anything over 15ft in IL is concedered deadly/dangerous. Theres no ruling on crocs that states what size is to large, however case law states 4fters are not concidered deadly or dangerous. There is NO permit for 6ft/venomous. Id be willing to bet money that nothing comng in the mail just a uniformed officer to collect those snakes to your door. Now on top of all that ya got township laws which superceed state. In other words if there is some permit(which I doubt) thats says you can keep hots. That permit is NO GOOD because the township says you cannot. You can get all the permits you want township overrides, federal, state and anything else.
 
The snake is an adult male around 3 ft. It entertained offers and interests from Tracy Barker. Not jumping any bones but I know the difference between albino and normal. It is albino. I maybe a woman and blonde but I know the difference. I actually went to SC (border) and met Leroy and took the digital pictures of it. I will be happy to post a normal picture to show the difference. IF someone could help me on the photo end I would appreciate it again. Beth
 
I have some info that I received today. I was contacted by someone via email and that person asked me to call them.

I had a VERY interesting conversation and want to bring some things up that Bruce has allegedly done. This is someone who has sold to Bruce in the past and knows these things.

1. Bruce buys large lots of REGULAR BALLS and has been selling them off as hets. He picks these up at shows, one show that was brought to my attention was the one in Columbia, SC. The piebald pair does exist and is NOT of breeding size and are only 18" in length.
2. Noah does NOT exist. Bruce answers phones and then will put the person on hold and come back in a diff. voice as 'Noah'.
***TOM, you bought from Bruce, NOT Noah. Just thought you should know***
3. Bruce's dad, Harry, has been dead. Bruce lives with his mother and might have been doing business under his Dad's name. I am not sure at this point when his dad died. The 'employee' has gone to the airport and picked up shipments for Bruce and they are all addressed to 'Harry'.
4. The 'employee' that is being blammed for the theft is NOT an employee, he is a friend who simply hangs out at the store that Bruce 'owns'. Some of the snakes that were supposedly stolen were this friends as well, not just Bruce's. This individuals name is Barry White and is extremely mad at Bruce for blamming him.
5. There was a big deal with Greg Hubbard (in FLorida) that envolved a deal with and albino E. Diamondback that was traded to Bruce for '100% het pieds'. Greg found out that the snakes are NOT hets and went back to Bruce at the show to get his snake back. Bruce told him that the snake was already sent back to Carolina. Greg was extremely pissed and Bruce left the show early and went back home. Greg had to drive to Carolina to get his snake which he did recover as far as we know.

***Bruce, I KNOW you have been reading this. I do not ASSUME this, but I KNOW you have for fact. Why don't you come forward and explain some of this stuff. Not that it will matter, we all know the truth about you and you are someone that should NOT be dealing with live animals.
I will be staying in contact with this person and with their permission and as this person feels confortable, I will post more info as I get it.

I PROMISED this person that I would NOT give out the name of whom I have been speaking to. PLEASE do not ask as I will not go back on my word. Please udnerstand my position, everyone.
 
Well sounds like my cousin in Durham, MO has just got him a new pair of snakes if they even live. Thanks for the info Jason.
 
I can see the diff. in the snakes. Thanks for posting the pic, I learned something today. Like I said, I am NOT a Copperhead guy, but oh well.

Very nice looking animals either way.
 
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OK, these anonymous third party postings in this thread stop HERE and NOW. If someone has something to add but is afraid or reluctant to put their name on it, then it DOES NOT BELONG HERE. If someone doesn't have the guts or strength of character to stand behind their words by posting them here, but instead wants someone else to post them anonymously for them, then they have come to the wrong place.

Any such postings in the future will simply be deleted. If I decide to go back far enough, I will also be assessing warning points to anyone who has already participated in this infraction of the rules here. This is itemized in the listing of WARNINGS.
 
Webslave,
I apologize. I did not even think of that, but was aware of this policy, but did not even think of it.

Just for the record, the person had a good reason for not coming forward (at least at this time as I feel they will soon), but that is not important. I take full responsibility for my actions and it will not happen again.

Like I said, my apologies!
 
To set the record straight!

First of all, about the copperheads. The albino was an albino,possibly a T-pos. But that is in question because it had very dark ruby red eyes. Sorry for the bad pics,because of my computer illiteracy,I relied on others to help me out. I found the snake at a S.C. serpentarium to which I deliver rodents. The serpentarium allowed me to broker the animal of which the photos do no justice.It has been sold to a private individual who is very happy with it. As for the dark one,I'm aware that melanistic is black usually with white chin. This snake was not melanistic but had just shed before the picture was taken and I will say was extremely dark and unusual. You can call it ugly,I will just call it very different. These animals have been sold. Thanks Paul and Beth for your comments. I hold your friendship in the highest regards. Same to you J.J. Brigman. As far as the break-in,I'm still trying to gather my thoughts.I'll be posting again soon! LeRoy Adams ( S.C. Mouse Man)
 
crego said:
O.K. Now I will get involved! I'm Mrs. Rodent Lady to all of you that don't know me. My husband is the rodent man in earlier posts. The albino copperhead was ours and I feel that it was an albino. It had red eyes.
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Ouch. I was told that it had black eyes, which is why I did not immediately drive up and examine the animal for the purposes of buying it.

I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm just stating the facts about the communication I had with the person posting the "albino copperhead" on KS. The email that Chris Raden posted was basically the same communication I got from him making the same inquiry.

If the animal had red eyes, why were potential customers told it had black eyes? You lost out on what could have been some nice bids.
 
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