Bad Guy Brian Rogers (bayedncaught)

[crotalusadamanteus]

"Please get back to me and let me know what's going on and if I can expect to get my guy back soon"

 

[ScottNBecky]

Brian, as for my part in this and what I said in this thread. I am not trying to paint you in a bad light, I'm just stating the situation as it happened when I dealt with you and how it turned out. I mean no offense but I would be worried if I were the OP as well. If someone has my animal I expect them to male extra efforts to keep in touch with me and as it was stated earlier it takes very little time to type an email and give a status report. As for our deal that never happened, I would have greatly appreciated some response from you as well. You assured me time and time again that you still wanted the enclosures yet never came through and supposedly moved to Florida. Now here you are still in Ohio. So what's the deal with that? I told you that if you didn't want the enclosures just let me know because I was behind schedule building enclosures for other people and could simply modify those to fill orders I already had. But you insisted that you wanted them so I sat on them an additional 3 weeks for you and then you just disappeared.

Now you are surprised that someone is worried that you aren't responding when you have their animal? Sorry dude but I don't think you have any room to be angered her.

On a side note I am fedex certified to ship so if I can help either of you get this situation resolved let me know and I'll do whatever I can.

 

[kmurphy]

"Please get back to me and let me know what's going on and if I can expect to get my guy back soon"

I understand that she said that Richard but that statement was followed by:

(I understand if he's still busy, but things seem to have been moving pretty fast since he started)

To me that means if he is still busy then keep him. Obviously she wants some feed back. But even his "unresponsiveness" hasn't been proven.

I addition the email you quoted was written the day before starting this thread. A little short notice for a "bad buy" thread. I just think the label is premature and un-proven.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I can agree with that. An "inquiry" title would have been more appropriate.

 

[Gojira1986]

I think she was warranted in filing a thread. If I send an animal to someone and speak to them every day since my animal has been out if my possession, and then all the sudden 5 days goes by with no contact - you better believe I'm going to be posting a thread. Maybe the only reason he ultimately responded and is sending the snake back (well see if he actually does) is bc of this bad guy post. You all say how this can be incentive for some ppl to start acting appropriately.
The bottom line..
He has her snake - he failed to contact her for 5 days - she gave him a day to respond to her email before posting this thread - he did not.
Not to be redundant - but it takes 1 minute to send an email saying "studly snake is still busy - but if you need me to ship him back, we can arrange it at your earliest convenience"..
Seems to me like Brian was going to take advantage of Jess by either keeping her snake for an absurd amount of time or for good, but when he realized she used the network to get her story out, all the sudden here comes Brian - innocent victim. Does it seem a little coincidental that within hours of our thread tracking his address down, locating his home and posting pictures of it, and getting a trip planned to pick up the snake - Brian is posting on here all nice and willing to send the snake back. Just seems like it may not have happened but for this bad guy post..

 

[kmurphy]

Natalie, Being cited as a "bad guy" on the BOI is a serious charge. No matter what the BOI critics might say the smart ones will check here before entering into a transaction with someone they don't know. The bad guy label can't be taken back so it shouldn't be taken lightly. If the snake is returned I believe the OP will feel badly about making the thread but then it will be too late. It is here to stay.

 

[ScottNBecky]

Does it seem a little coincidental that within hours of our thread tracking his address down, locating his home and posting pictures of it, and getting a trip planned to pick up the snake - Brian is posting on here all nice and willing to send the snake back. Just seems like it may not have happened but for this bad guy post..

I dont want to be offensive here but I was thinking exactly the same thing. It seems pretty strange that he just happened to respond right after he was tracked down and a mention of contacting his landlord was made. Coincidental? Maybe, but if so it's a pretty big coincidence. I'll admit I'm somewhat biased because I've seen his disappearing act first hand but it is showing a lot of similarities to the deal I had with him.

I think the only difference between my deal with Brian and Jessicas deal with Brian is she took the next step and brought it here while I just let it go and sold the enclosures to someone else. In my opinion (and ONLY MY OPINION) if she hadn't brought it to BOI she never would have had any chance at all of seeing that animal again. Of course she still may not get it back but at least she has been able to establish contact.

And I don't mean to rant but am I misunderstanding the purpose of this forum? It's my impression that this forum is intended for one person to make public a problem they are having with another person and then for that person to defend themselves and attempt to resolve the issue. If Brian does indeed send the animal back then to my understanding this forum has done exactly what its intended to do.

Sorry rant over.

 

[enharmonic]

While I do agree that this thread might have been the needed spark to get things rolling from Brian,

I also think that BOI really is not to be taken lightly, like what Kevin said. I know that I personally, and I'm sure others, check the BOI frequently and there have been times when I have broken a deal because of finding a bad guy thread even if ruled in favor of the accused just because the fact that a thread was created in the first place is a red flag regardless of outcome. "Even if the accused makes things right, whats to say that they would have if the thread wasn't posted," are thoughts that I have. And as such, its very important to truly reserve BOI's for when you truly feel like it is needed. I would have send the notice indicating immediate return of the animal before posting a thread.

With that said, I do believe that there is something to be said for the possible history of broken contact, with the enclosures. Past actions do tend to make future acquisitions against an individual much stronger. But at the same time, more steps could have been taken to be sure that something shady really was occurring.

 

[rattyrugrats]

Here is his pm and my reply:

Re: Reply

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I have not received anything from you since August 27 and I have attempted to contact you numerous times, both via this site and through email, but have not got a reply. I don't want things to get less-than-friendly between us if this is simply a communication issue, but I hope you understand my concern since you have my boa and I have not been able to contact you for about 3 weeks after numerous attempts. I would appreciate if you would send him back as soon as possible so that I can put my mind at ease. My address is 6244 Canario Court, Albuquerque, NM 87120. Let me know when you ship him (along with the tracking number) so that I can make sure to be home. Thanks for getting back to me.



Quote:
Originally Posted by bayedncaught
wtf r u talking about i have emailed u pics the other day i been working n havent got on here u not get pics i even messaged u on here numerious of times ill just send him back ill get him to stop breeding n send him back



I tried contacting him on Sept 2 about whether the albino female was new, to which he didn't respond even though his last activity (before yesterday) was Sept 6. I then pmed and emailed him on the 8 to let him know that I was getting concerned by the lack of contact (since I had tried texting and calling him before Aug 27 to no avail) but did not get a reply. I then sent emails on the 11, 12, 13, and 14 and didn't receive any replies. Therefore I didn't start this thread after one attempt at contact or a few days of him not contacting me. Before today (when I received his pm) I had not heard from him in 3 weeks even though I have tried numerous times, and in numerous ways, to contact him. I hope that he keeps his word and sends my boa back asap.

 

[rattyrugrats]

Oops, can someone edit out my address? I forgot to do that and don't know how to edit my post.

 

[lillyorchid]

Please remember to quarantine him when you get him back! Never know what his boa's may have!

 

[Gojira1986]

So kevin - you are saying that if you sent this guy a snake , didn't gear anything for an extended period of time, was not able to contact him, you would not have done the same?
To be honest, after reading NUMEROUS BOI the bigger purpose of this BOI seems to be posturing and repeated badgering of ppl when asked to provide proof..
How are posted emails PROOF? you can edit emails to say whatever you want them to say. How are texts proof when they are retyped, and have to be edited for profanity.. You are already editing the emails and texts for profanity, whose to say someone won't just add or subtract other information from emails?
The fact remains, and how many ppl agree with me? Brian did not make any effort to contact Jessica until a lawyer was mentioned, calling a landlord, and his exact location was posted. Before that Jess made countless efforts to contact him.
C'mon ppl .. Are you really that naive?
This guy has screwed ppl over before!!!!
Ugh - this is exactly why I would never use the BOI to post an issue I had.. Bc it really ends up turning into a bunch of negativity.

 

[Gojira1986]

Also Kevin - reread pg 7 of thread where you reference a quote Jess made:
"I understand if he's still busy"..
How do you take that to mean to keep the animal without continuing to keep in contact with her?
Shes simply stating she understands if he's still busy but she wants to know what is going on..
She's provided plenty of proof in my eyes to having tried to contact Brian.
I think your one of those ppl who would defend someone like Brian to the end just bc it will start a back n forth confrontation..
Why is it ok for someone to keep Jess's snake, breed it to females not included in the contract, and have zero communication with her for 3 weeks?
And once again, Brian failed to respond until this BOI located him and started to make plans to get the legal system involved.
Jessica - will you regret this post IF AND WHEN you receive your snake back?
I highly doubt it, bc you probably wouldn't have got your snake.
This BOI should bring up issues like these so ppl that feel the same way as Jess, meaning ppl who would panic if someone had their snake and made no effort to contact them for 3 weeks, don't get involved w Brian. His lack of communication is enough to start a BOI to warn ppl IMO.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

The thing is, there are 3 ways to label a BOI thread. Good Guy, Bad Guy, and Inquiry/Info. Since Jessica wasn't actually scammed, or have any proof that this guy intended to keep her snake, she wasn't owed money that she didn't receive, then the title INQUIRY probably would have been more appropriate, and most likely would have yielded the same results, without actually labeling him a bad guy. I understand the lack of communication concern completely...I've been there. I'd be wanting my snake back too, and don't fault her at all for that.

BUT, if he sends the animal back, and it's in good health when it arrives, is he still a bad guy? According to the thread title, he is, and it's here for ever, and can't be edited to change the title.

We're not saying it was wrong of her to post a thread to try and get his attention, it's the label that is pre-mature.

On the flip side, Brian should take this as a lesson that communication is important, and not something that should be placed on the back burner.

And Jessica, proof read before you hit submit. Make sure the info in your post is exactly what you want out there, because that too is not going to be edited. Editing posts in the BOI takes away from the integrity and the purpose of the forum.

 

[ScottNBecky]

So what about the fact that it's now been shown to be 3 weeks without correspondence? Does that not make it justified to label this a bad guy thread? I'm sorry I understand that BOI isn't to be taken lightly but if someone has my animal and refuses to contact me for three weeks that makes him a "bad guy" in my book. I tend to agree with Natalie here, I frequent the BOI to keep updated on who I should and shouldn't deal with and all too often it becomes just a "badger the OP and question their motives forum." rather than focusing on the matter at hand and trying to resolve the issue.

The fact remains that she sent Brian a snake, Brian has breached the contract of their agreement in more than one way and then disappeared. I think the point has been made that BOI is a serious matter. How about we stop arguing over spilled milk (as stated over and over, it's here and can never be removed) and try to help get this situation resolved. Or is that not what this forum is for?

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

There's a difference between arguing, and explaining.

 

[ScottNBecky]

I understand that and I will admit that in this thread it has been an explanation format rather than an argument format as is all too often seen on BOI so I definitely give credit to you in that regard. I just get frustrated with BOI at times because I'm sure you have seen the posters I'm talking about that badger the OP simply in the hopes of getting a rise and starting an 8 page argument. I didn't mean to imply you were one of those types and I apologize if it came across that way. Also, I think I've highjacked this thread enough with my own personal agenda and frustrations I won't be posting again unless it pertains to getting the OP her snake back in some way.

 

[Gojira1986]

From jessicas post she tried contacting him since aug 27th to no avail, even tho he had recent activity on this site on sept 6th, but still never heard from him.
So if he was on here and she pm'd him, then he would have had the message waiting on here for him.
You honestly think this would have yielded the same
results with a inquiry pre fix instead of a bad guy prefix?
REALLLLLLY?
My point continues to be proven - no matter who says what on this BOI, there are ppl who will argue with it just bc they can. I swear someone could say the grass is green and a group of ppl would argue that for 20 pages.
See, it's even getting me to do exactly what I do not like about the BOI.. But Jess is a nice girl and was panicked her animal was being stolen. She did what she had to to get her snake back.. Anyone in here most likely would do the same. If I had someone holding on to an animal of mine they were supposed to return with zero contact for 3 weeks, you better believe im not going to hesitate to do whatever I need to to get the animal back! Believe me, Jess was nice, she could have called the authorities and had them get involved, most ppl would have done that. But instead she started a BOI thread and tried to get brians attn that way - so if the bad guy thread did or didn't get Brian scared enough to come on here and say he's going to send the snake back, then I think it was worth it.
There is another person saying Brian did the same thing to him only difference was, he never started a bad guy thread, even more support he was going to try to scam Jess..
And above and beyond everything else - Brian has what.. One post on here? One post saying he's returning a snake, versus 3 weeks of ignored emails and messages, and the guy has ppl defending him? He gas not even sent the snake back.. Just said he would send the snake back and after reading this thread, his word does not mean much.
You say Jess was premature to start a bad guy BOI - she went 3 weeks with no contact, then saw Brian had activity on here but still didn't contact her.. How long should one wait to voice they are bring scammed? I think a week w no contact when there was previously regular contact is more than enough time IMO.
.. But I'm sure This thread get 50 "oh contrare" messages today arguing with me

 

[Gojira1986]

Let me clarify where I said "if the bag guy BOI thread did or did not scare Brian enough to come on here and say he's going to return the snake then it was worth it".
It was worth it bc Brian came here and said he'll return the snake - had that not happened, it still would be worth it bc Jessica was successfully able to get brians address and a picture of his home so she could try to retrieve the snake that way..
Bad communication is a big reason these BOI threads are started, why is this case of bad communication any different?
Bc Brian said he would return the snake?
Well Brian said he was breeding to 3 hets and that he'd keep in contact w Jess.. And didn't follow thru.. He said he was going to buy those enclosures from another member, but never did..
Sorry I'm not 100 satisfied e Brian saying he's going to send the snake back..
I think any of this negativity toward Jess was the only premature thing about this.. You all are going to feel bad for this if she never gets her snake back..
And if she does receive the snake soon as promised, it still took 3 weeks of messaging and a BOI to get the snake home.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I didn't put my effort into helping her because the title said bad guy. I would have done the same if it was titled info. I wager others would have done the same.

So yes, I do feel it would have yielded the same results.


Now, how about we keep this thread on topic, and quit filling up pages with banter?