I do not care if Thomas pays the fine or not. Thomas was not tring to cause trouble he was saying that he simply had questions for Damon in which Damon answered for him. Then it got out of had and made it all look like it was Thomas fault that he was stiring up things. I am tired of all this. Here is what was sent to Thomas From Damon.
Thomas is not DAMON.
From: Brian Smith <
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Subject: The Owens Agreement
Date: Dec 25, 2003 2:17 PM
Tom,
These are the last 8 or 10 of our emails. I'll look for the first half
dozen, I'm sure I have them still. But I had posted that I was going to
expose big breeders and did a lot of hinting about Bob and then I emailed
Owens and told him if he didn't stop slamming me and spreading lies that I
would tell the world about Bob's dishonest ways and poor business practices.
He immediately deleted derrogatory threads about me on the BC forums and
this is how it all got settled. Don't forget to read from the bottom up as
the oldest emails are toward the bottom. Take care and happy holidays, Damon
>From: "Dr Jay Owens" <
[email protected]>
>Reply-To: <
[email protected]>
>To: "Brian Smith" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: Yes,.. and No....
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:09:31 -0600
>
>Brian,
>I most definitely appreciate your forthrightness. However, I'm not exactly
>sure what you mean by this: "I would suggest that you take the next few
>months and try to right some wrongs. If you actually take some
>accountability for some things and make an effort to fix them maybe things
>won't be so bad between us." What specifically do you have in mind? I
>would like to see much of the past strife put behind us, but I don't
>exactly
>know what you expect. If you could expand on this a bit we can discuss it
>a
>little bit more.
>
>Just so you know, I do understand your desire for revenge. I used to be
>much the same way...then somewhere along the line I realized that the anger
>that I was holding onto toward certain individuals wasn't hurting anyone
>but
>myself. I guess that it was at that point that I decided to try to get
>past
>a lot of that crap and just "let it go." I don't know if some of
the
>"change" that I have gone through was due to being forced to face
the
>imminent death of my father or just what, but somehow something changed
>within me and to be perfectly honest, I have found a great deal more peace
>by not fostering all of that anger and hate. I am not sharing this with
>you
>to tell you that you should do the same...rather I am just speaking from my
>heart. I think that you and I have gotten to a point where we're being
>honest with one another, and it is my sincere hope that you might consider
>what I have shared with you. However, you have to follow what your heart
>dictates...and I understand that.
>
>Btw...I got an email tonight from an old friend who's been out of the
>country for a while. He said something that I thought that you might find
>interesting..." I traded my Supertiger back to Bob because she turned out
>to
>be a he." In light of recent topics at hand I found this quite
>interesting.
>My point in sharing this is that you're not alone in your experiences.
>It's
>happened to me several times (and not just from one person). It has also
>happened to other people that I know. If there's one thing that I have
>learned it's that you can't blindly trust anyone no matter how much of an
>expert they are or how much experience they have. Unfortunately, this sort
>of thing seems to happen a lot in this industry and for some reason it
>seems
>to happen more with retics than any other species. Please allow me to
>reiterate what I have said before...I most definitely understand how you
>feel about this! I have been very angry about it as well, as I too lost a
>pile of money due to someone else's negligence.
>
>Anyway, thank you for your previous email and the honesty and directness
>therein. Keep your babies fat and happy.
)
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Smith [mailto:
[email protected]]
>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:15 PM
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject: Yes,.. and No....
>
>Jay,
> For now a "truce" is acceptable by me and I will stand by my word
to
>honor it. (yes, my word does mean something). By this I mean in terms of
>posting anything derrogatory or openly insulting one another or associates
>of. I can do that. No sweat. Part of this will involve you not spreading
>bad
>rumors about me, and I will not divulge my bad experiences with your best
>bud there that <font color=red>[bleep]</font>ed me six ways from Sunday. (I think you know what I'm
>talking about)
> Whether you spread rumors or not (I have heard personally that you took
>a
>very large part in that) it doesn't matter. By being the one to start all
>the <font color=red>[bleep]</font> back in the day and divulging my name and other harmful info, you
>not only made me look very bad, you set the stage for everything that has
>happened after that. For this I will always hold you accountable. And I
>would be lying if I was to write here that all was well and forgotten. It
>isn't. And one day you must be shown that I was not the guy to do that to.
>Don't take this as a threat, persay,. it isn't,. just one man to another
>man
>saying that what you did was wrong and I want to see you about it
>eventually.
> But for now, the way I see it, we have a stale'mate of sorts and I am
>willing to bury the public hatchet if you are. What remains between us
>should be considered personal and not involve open forums and damaging each
>other's business. I don't play dirty, and neither should you. We should
>leave the business out of it.
> Just so you know, everyone that took a part in the whole affair of
>assassinating my character and business is on my <font color=red>[bleep]</font> list, however large
>or
>small their role. It isn't just you. But you were the ringleader, so you
>are
>kind of the biggest bunny in the gallery. Take this any way you want to.
>You
>know very well I could have just sent an "Ok that's fine with me"
email and
>said nothing about all this and be all sneaky about it. Hopefully you'll
>respect my directness and honesty in all this. Just one word of caution
>jay,. I would advise that you not make things worse. Sure, you saw me at my
>worst and most foolish, drunk off my gourd and screaming furrious threats.
>I
>look back on that and see the silliness of it. I don't blame you for
>thinking I was a "knob". But I was drunk, angry and TOTALLY unaccustomed
to
>anyone disrespecting me. But I want you to know that all of that means very
>little. When it comes down to it Jay, I am a stand up guy and my word is
>gold. I do what I say I will do and say what I mean. You can think what you
>want, and maybe you think this is just all nonsense from a loud mouth.
>That's fine. But if you don't, and you see that I am for real, I would
>suggest that you take the next few months and try to right some wrongs. If
>you actually take some accountability for some things and make an effort to
>fix them maybe things won't be so bad between us. That's my last little bit
>of advice.
> Other than that, I hope your snakes are well fed and healthy. Brian
>
>
>
> >
> >Brian,
> >In all honesty, the only time that I have even discussed you in the last
> >several months was when Shaun DeBourd (sp?) called me asking about you
>(he
> >was upset over some deal where he felt like you were giving him a hard
>time
> >on KS...or something like that). I did tell him what Jay Vella told me,
> >but
> >I also said that I didn't know any details or facts...only what I had
>been
> >told. Other than that I can't even recall another conversation that I
>have
> >had in which your name has come up. I can assure you that the rumors you
> >mentioned in some of your posts were not from me...nor have I ever even
> >heard anything to that effect. If someone did tell you that some of
>those
> >things came from me, then I can assure you that they were lying. In the
> >future I will let others handle their own affairs and I will refrain from
> >providing any input even if asked. As far as I am concerned, we had some
> >problems on the BC forum. Since you are no longer a part of the forum,
I
> >have no further issues with you...this will be my "story" if
I am asked
>in
> >the future.
> >
> >Between you and me...I should not have posted the things that Jay Vella
> >told
> >me a few months ago on KS. To do so was hearsay on my part since Jay has
> >yet to provide any evidence to support his statements. For that I
> >apologize. Whatever has transpired is between you and him, and has
>nothing
> >to do with me and it wasn't my place to make a post to that effect. Most
> >of
> >the reason that I did so was because he was tired of you slamming him on
> >the
> >forum. In the future I will let others fight their own battles.
> >
> >If you would in fact like a truce, then I say let's leave it at that.
As
>I
> >said before, this sort of thing serves neither of us in a constructive
>way.
> >In fact, all it really does is help "the big guys" that you have
been
> >talking about in some of your posts. Personally, I don't think that they
> >need any more help.
> >
> >Just so you know, I have had some similar experiences as you when dealing
> >with certain "big breeders." I too have received incorrectly
sexed
>snakes.
> >I too have received unhealthy snakes. In fact, the only reason that I
> >didn't produce at least 3 clutches of albino retics this past year (let
> >alone all of the tiger hets that I would have produced) was because my
> >"male" (whom I never bothered to sex because I trusted the person
I got
>it
> >from) turned out to be a female. What I am saying is that I have been
in
> >your shoes, and I was also very pissed off about it and how things were
> >handled by the individual in question. My point in sharing this is that
> >you
> >and I have had some of the same negative experiences...and I fully
> >understand your anger because I feel the same way.
> >
> >Hopefully, this time can serve as a turning point for both of us, and as
>I
> >said before, good luck with your breeding this year.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Brian Smith [mailto:
[email protected]]
> >Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:15 AM
> >To:
[email protected]
> >Subject: Re: FYI
> >
> >Thanks. I got a lot of emails but I have sent nothing out. I just want
to
> >be
> >left alone Jay, and I want to stop being slammed. Believe it or not I'm
>not
> >a bad person. Unless I'm crossed. Take care.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dr Jay Owens" <
[email protected]>
> > >Reply-To: <
[email protected]>
> > >To: "Brian Smith" <
[email protected]>
> > >Subject: FYI
> > >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:21:53 -0600
> > >
> > >Brian,
> > >I went ahead and removed the topic on trolls as an act of good faith
>and
> >to
> > >extend an olive branch. What transpires from here on is up to you.
> > >
> > >As I stated before, after our last email exchange I had decided to
just
> > >leave you be. I have no reason to continue with any sort of vendetta,
>as
> > >it
> > >serves neither of us in a constructive way. At this point you can
> >consider
> > >me done with it all, so where things go from here will be up to you.
> >Good
> > >luck with your breeding this year.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Jay Owens
> > >
> > >
> > >
