Brian Smith-Inquiry

[Josh Burm Guy]

Brian, this is begining to get a little frustrating. This is certainly not the first time you have forgotten very important details. If you are going to be a part of this thread I should think that you should at least get times, dates and statements accurate. For you to get things mixed up and to re-post old things and ask that I go over it all again is really a waste of time.

When I leveled with you in the email that I posted above it was after all the other posts in which I was extremely embarrassed about saying that my girl had dumped me and sold all my stuff. I would expect that you would remember such a pertinent detail. After telling you this revealing fact nothing I had posted before on the subject was relevant. See?

Now, Nick and Steve were customers of mine for a couple of years before I went to prison. They, like everyone else I knew, knew that a lot of my snakes were sick. It was common knowledge. No one thought much of sick snakes back then like they do now. When they bought them from my ex they had known all about them being sick for a very long time. Now please don't forget this and ask me about it again tomorrow, okay?


And as to Wes,... Wes, you really need to pipe down just a tad. You're a joke and you have no place in this thread. You're trolling big guy and I don't think it's acceptable by the TOS is it? Plus, it's utterly clear why you are attempting to muddle things up here. You have failed in everything you have ever set out to accomplish and you resent me because I am producing so much this year. I asked you before, but you failed to answer me. What are YOU producing this year? What? Nothing? Thought so. Why don't you tell the folks here how your store went under. Why your marriage failed. Why you're currently struggling? Because quite clearly you resent the FACT that I own a BUNDLE of great breeders, have a BEAUTIFUL wife, own not one home, but TWO, drive nice luxury vehicles, and have a solid future in reptile breeding. And this bothers you TREMENDOUSLY, doesn't it? Because you had a little store and it failed. So you feel the need to come here and try to muddle things up when it looks like I am smoothing things out with everyone, huh? Nice try big guy. It won't work. Nobody's buying it.

Damon, let me admit now, I did not re-read the whole entire string of emails. It was painful enough that night, yet to do it all again.
This is from your email that I posted on the previous page here on the BOI.......

"When I
>sold my remaining sick snakes it was all to a couple of guys that knew they
>were sick and were buying them CHEAP. "

How can that mean the same as your girlfriend sold them while you were in jail? How could the guys know they were sick if you were in jail?
PLEASE answer just those questions (or explain is fine).

 

[Wilomn]

brian/damon/josh, once again you are missing the point of this thread. It's not about me. It's about you and all of your incarnations.

The incarnations who LIE constantly.

Envy you??? I don't even know who you are.

You have a very large opinion of yourself, much larger than I do. I simply caught you in several lies and won't let it drop until you tell the truth.

That's as involved with you as I care to be. I've done it before and will do it again and not just with you. That's one of the things this board is for.

If you want to know anything else about me start a thread about me.

It seems as though I bother you quite a bit. Wonder why that is? Something bothering you?

Wes Pollock

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Don't flatter yourself Wes. You're a nobody and it doesn't look good. Not just to me, but in general. A washed up nobody with nothing better to do than troll the threads.

And yes, I do have a very large opinion of myself. I walk into just one of the 4 snake rooms and see over 100k in beautiful high end morphs, half of which are gravid and yes,.. I gotta feel a sense of accomplishment. Wouldn't you if you had something nice? If?


Now go lift something heavy, you are way out of your league here.

brian/damon/josh, once again you are missing the point of this thread. It's not about me. It's about you and all of your incarnations.

The incarnations who LIE constantly.

Envy you??? I don't even know who you are.

You have a very large opinion of yourself, much larger than I do. I simply caught you in several lies and won't let it drop until you tell the truth.

That's as involved with you as I care to be. I've done it before and will do it again and not just with you. That's one of the things this board is for.

If you want to know anything else about me start a thread about me.

It seems as though I bother you quite a bit. Wonder why that is? Something bothering you?

Wes Pollock

 

[CaptainSlackass]

Damon= Bad guy.

That's all that really matters... you can wrangle over the details all you want, but bear in mind that it only serves Damons purpose. Damon is loving this thread. There is enough fuel here to power his sympathy-machine for years to come.

Damon wants you all to believe that he is happier than you, he is wealthier than you, and he has more material posessions than you will ever have. It's his whole game. I wouldn't pretend to guess at the psychology behind such behaviour, but it's probably pretty ugly.

Damon is in reality, nothing more than a tactical troll. The Uber-Troll, if you will. He really just needs to be ignored.
(go to this link and pay close attention to the section on tactical trolls... http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm)
That's why banning him has been the only effective tool to use against him.

Oh and as far as the kidnapping thing goes, it's not technically kidnapping. But when a young girl gets a gun shoved in her face when she says she wants to leave... that's still pretty bad, don't you think?

 

[Brian Oakley]

Damon,
Whatever the case may be (you being "embarrassed", you not telling the truth, whatever) it is quite hard to keep up with the different stories. There might be a good reason (in your mind), but regardless it is quite difficult to follow.
Couple things I would like to add.
1. I find it hard to believe that someone would spend hard earned money and "knowingly" purchase animals from a collection that was dying off. Regardless if (from your post, again), "No one thought much of sick snakes back then like they do now", they apparently knew enough like your animals were dying off. Why would someone go out and spend money just to have it die? I would rather drop the money off in the street of poor neighborhood. One would lose it just as quick, but at least it would go to a good cause.
2. I do not forget "important details", I read past emails and posts to get my information, it is not my fault that you change the stories.........for whatever reason, makes no difference, they change.
3. How does someone have a 100K dollar collection, when in your own words don't work, don't have to, yet only started with 41K after prison. That would mean you were able to more than double your money and put it all in to snakes. That does not even count living expenses!! All I have seen you post are common boas with 52 free rats. You should write a book about how you managed to do that, there would be MILLIONS of people that would follow your lead on success. You have done something even the best of the best cannot do in todays day and age.
4. Why the 'funny' comments? WHy try to make someone feel bad for asking you to spend your precious time repeating yourself. It is quite apparent you like to talk, that is why people would get so confused with all that you say. Don't worry, I won't ask you to explain anything as long as the stories stay the same. By the way, I have not made any mistakes on the "timeline" in quite a while and I understood the mistake I made when you explained it to me back in Dec. SO keep the comments out of this, it was a honest mistake and understood the error I made after you exxplained it to me...........as long as it was the truth or you were not embarrassed at any point in explaining it.

Again, I can only go on what you say, no matter the reson why you say the things you do. It is not like I pull $h!t out of thin air and decide to post it. I only question what comes out of your mouth, can't fault someone for that now can we?

 

[HerpVenue]

When they bought them from my ex they had known all about them being sick for a very long time.

Do I really need to go and get he quote where you said it was YOU who sold the snakes sick?



Damon it is all over this thread.
You have lied time and again.
so you all can keep this thrad going and fight over little details.
I for one see the big picture.
1. I was right when I said you were not "taking a break".....you were actually in jail.

2. I was right when I said you sold the sick snakes (or someone close to you)

3. I couold go on and on. but after 117 pages....why bother. Your still a liar.

You say you are not using a fake name because of something to hide.
you say you have nothing to hide from herpers.
yeeah right

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Brian, no offense intended, but you CONSTANTLY get details all wrong and out of whack. It gets very frustrating. Like below you ask about these guys buying the snakes and "why would they buy them if they knew they were sick." First of all,.. in the very email I posted to refresh your memory I also told you that my colony was taking an upswing, things were getting better, and I had a hold on things just before I went away. I never said those guys "spent hard earned money, knowingly purchasing animals from a collection that was dying off". Those are your words, not mine. Don't you see how you subconsciously make things sound worse, or exaggerate the facts? I said in my email that "things were geting better and there were no longer huge amounts of sick snakes", or something to that effect. Where in the world did you get the above facts? Plus which, I wasn't there man so I can't speak as to why they bought all the snakes, some of which I'm sure were still sick. Probably because my ex was letting them go incredibly cheap, I don't know. Really,.. who cares?? None of that matters in anything else that is going on. How you and the one who can lift heavy things can fixate on one little detail from 15 years ago as some point of relevance is totally beyond me.

What part of, "I lied about it because I was #$@#ing embarrassed, but now I am telling the truth" don't you guys understand?

And actually Brian, my collection far surpasses that figure. That is just one room. But I am not going to share with you how I make my money, how much I make, and what I spend it on. That is my business. No offense but that is a personal question.

Damon,
Whatever the case may be (you being "embarrassed", you not telling the truth, whatever) it is quite hard to keep up with the different stories. There might be a good reason (in your mind), but regardless it is quite difficult to follow.
Couple things I would like to add.
1. I find it hard to believe that someone would spend hard earned money and "knowingly" purchase animals from a collection that was dying off. Regardless if (from your post, again), "No one thought much of sick snakes back then like they do now", they apparently knew enough like your animals were dying off. Why would someone go out and spend money just to have it die? I would rather drop the money off in the street of poor neighborhood. One would lose it just as quick, but at least it would go to a good cause.
2. I do not forget "important details", I read past emails and posts to get my information, it is not my fault that you change the stories.........for whatever reason, makes no difference, they change.
3. How does someone have a 100K dollar collection, when in your own words don't work, don't have to, yet only started with 41K after prison. That would mean you were able to more than double your money and put it all in to snakes. That does not even count living expenses!! All I have seen you post are common boas with 52 free rats. You should write a book about how you managed to do that, there would be MILLIONS of people that would follow your lead on success. You have done something even the best of the best cannot do in todays day and age.
4. Why the 'funny' comments? WHy try to make someone feel bad for asking you to spend your precious time repeating yourself. It is quite apparent you like to talk, that is why people would get so confused with all that you say. Don't worry, I won't ask you to explain anything as long as the stories stay the same. By the way, I have not made any mistakes on the "timeline" in quite a while and I understood the mistake I made when you explained it to me back in Dec. SO keep the comments out of this, it was a honest mistake and understood the error I made after you exxplained it to me...........as long as it was the truth or you were not embarrassed at any point in explaining it.

Again, I can only go on what you say, no matter the reson why you say the things you do. It is not like I pull $h!t out of thin air and decide to post it. I only question what comes out of your mouth, can't fault someone for that now can we?

 

[Brian Oakley]

You might be correct in that I added words that did not directly come from you. Not to exagurate things, but didn't feel quoting was needed, but again, I see your point. One point (I will quit using the word 'fact') that maybe not all snakes were sick, but if you got in a couple (couple=my words) snakes that started all this (your words), wouldn't it be safe to say that ALL the snakes purchased were at the same risk, even if all were not showing signs? you said to some degree that it spread within your collection.

Your money IS your business. I agree 100% and I follow the same rule of thumb. I still find it quite AMAZING that someone who admits that he does not work, admits that he received 41K after elaving prison could turn that 41K (now it changes again) in a 100K PLUS collection and that does not cover food (for you or the snakes), electricity, gas, water, cars (you said you drive luxury cars), gas for those, mortage/rent (if applies- I am sure it does as I would love to find a place ANYWHERE in Cali. that you could buy 1 acre of land with a dwelling of sort on it for 41K or less), caging/materials to build own cages, internet expenses (be it access to or posting ads, etc.), leasure activities, and whatever else I missed.
NO sarcasm involved, I find it truly amazing. You really should write a book to your technique and I will be the FIRST to purchase a copy.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Big deal Ritchie. What do you want,.. a medal? For busting me in a few lies because I was ashamed to say, "Yes, I was in prison and my girlfriend left me and sold ALL my stuff, even my appliances." Well good for you. You busted me in the lies of the century. I should be prosecuted for this and do hard time. What a deceptive lie that was. And it hurt SO many people when they believed, if even briefly, that I had not gone to jail and that it had been me that sold my stuff.

Dude,... you are acting a little ridiculous. These fibs are not tremendous, lies that damage the public. What is your motive for trying to make more of this that there is? I looked at your site. And yes, I looked up and or "located" all your other information, including address should I want to make the 500+ mile drive to come buy something from you. I saw that you don't really have a lot of stuff. Does it bother you too that I am going to produce an incredible amount of different morphs this year? Including two clutches of granites and albino granites? I can't think of any other motive for you to be going to such lengths here to {try} to somehow make me look bad. But it isn't working. These are all petty things that you are bragging about being "right" about. And what about what you were WRONG about? You were wrong about more than you were right about, including, but not limited to that I was a thief that had burguralized Prehistoric Pets. You were wrong about SO many things it makes you look like an amatuer fact hunter, yet you brag relentlessly that you were right about ONE thing, lol. One thing that is really insignificant. Completely insignificant and irrelevant to the NOW time and how I conduct business.

Next thing we know you'll probably find out about when I lied to my grandmother about taking the cookie from the cookie jar and post 50 posts about what a liar I am, lol

Do I really need to go and get he quote where you said it was YOU who sold the snakes sick?



Damon it is all over this thread.
You have lied time and again.
so you all can keep this thrad going and fight over little details.
I for one see the big picture.
1. I was right when I said you were not "taking a break".....you were actually in jail.

2. I was right when I said you sold the sick snakes (or someone close to you)

3. I couold go on and on. but after 117 pages....why bother. Your still a liar.

You say you are not using a fake name because of something to hide.
you say you have nothing to hide from herpers.
yeeah right

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Thanks for conceeding these few things. Sometimes you're okay. Then other times,. I swear man, it's like you are two different people,... but I guess there's no need to dwell.

Yes, it is quite amazing what I have done with starting with very meager beginings. And I am VERY proud of it, and yes, actually I was considering writing a book or books about it. And it really isn't so much about how much one has to start, or what is invested in as much as it is about operating under certain philosophies and principles. As long as one does not deviate from them one can make a fortune doing or breeding just about anything. I used to drop hints on these philosophies that work for me so well in my ks signiture line. Nobody picked up on them though so I took them off. But the first, most important thing concernes "overhead". I think my sig line about this one said something to the effect of "Less overhead = more profit". Or something like that. Excessive overhead is usually what does a business in. Keep things simple, keep them cheap, and the overhead is minimal and the profits are maximized. You actually brought up all of the KEY things of how I keep my overhead to a minimum in your post here and you don't even know it. You brought up cages. I build my own out of cheap plywood and plexiglass. They're great cages and I actually sell a few each month on ks, but the cost is incredibly low. For months I was sharing these low cost methods of building these cages with other herpers on ks forums that are not well-to-do. Nobody mentions any of this here. Only bad things. But the point is,.. had I purchased expensive visions or neos I would have been spending 400-600 per cage. Instead my cages averaged about 40-60 each. I never did the math but I must have saved over 50k on caging alone. Okay,. now this marries to another philosophy,... don't spend savings, roll them over into additional investments. What I saved on caging can instead be spent on more breeders or supplies.

You also brought up feeding the snakes. Great point and I'll tell you how I do it. Snake food doesn't cost me a dime. No,. the snake food actually MAKES me money. This is another thing that I have constantly shared with other herpers in the forums to try to help them save money. Here's how it works: I established rat and rabbit breeding colonies PRIOR to obtaining any snakes. I got them flowing and then got the snakes. The initial investment DID have to come out of pocket, but then I quickly made it back by breeding snake food at 200% what my own reptiles required. I would sell the "overage" and use this to purchase the rodent food and more materials to build better rodent breeding systems. I got many solid repeat customers and then began expanding the operation. Last May I was running somewhere around 10 or 15 female rabbits and 85 female rats. Now I am up to 75 female rabbit breeders and over 2000 female rat breeders. The production is such that it's virtually impossible to get an acurate figure on just how many offspring are produced weekly, but it's somewhere around 1500 to 2000. So my snakes eat to their heart's content for FREE and I am able to make more money to keep the show going and even invest in new stock. It's really quite simple really. As an interesting point, Prehistoric just got a 350 dollar order last Saturday.

As to this house and how I maintain my bills,.. again buddy,. keep the overhead LOW. I purchased this place for cash. So all I have is a yearly 350 dollar tax bill and property insurance totalling 213. It's peanuts. And as an interesting point about the house,. you say you wonder how one can purchase a 1 acre lot with a "dwelling of sorts" on it,.... well this property had THREE family homes on it when I first bought it. I could have had three houses here, but I didn't want the additional overhead. I demo'd the two smaller houses and kept the largest which is a 4 bedroom, 2 bath, laundry room, large dining room, living room, kitchen. It's a very nice house, even though Patrick likes to tell people it's a shack, lol. In addition to this I have a house in Chino which I rent out (more income). Look it up, it's on record in my name just like this house. It's not a shack either but a nice town home built about 20 years ago.

As to my vehicles, I also buy them 100% cash. Word to the wise, payments and interest add up to a LOT of extra money. I have never financed anything in my life and I never will. Paying cash for things is tantamount to saving a BUNDLE! Anyways, I got a taste for luxury cars a few years ago when I bought our BMW 328i for my wife's anniversary present. The next car we are going to get is an Infiniti FX. I like the technology it offers. Again, we shall pay cash to avoid any additional interest costs. (starting to make sense?)

As to why I don't work and have never worked,.. well,.. I'm just a big kid and I don't like to work and don't want to work. So I have always made a way so that i don't have to. It hasn't always been luxurious, and even now I feel that we are a little ways away from any real luxury, but I have always been my own person free from any obligation to work for another.

I hope this answers some of your questions and even more I hope you maybe can draw from it and perhaps become fully independant yourself one day. It is certainly a very nice way to be.

You might be correct in that I added words that did not directly come from you. Not to exagurate things, but didn't feel quoting was needed, but again, I see your point. One point (I will quit using the word 'fact') that maybe not all snakes were sick, but if you got in a couple (couple=my words) snakes that started all this (your words), wouldn't it be safe to say that ALL the snakes purchased were at the same risk, even if all were not showing signs? you said to some degree that it spread within your collection.

Your money IS your business. I agree 100% and I follow the same rule of thumb. I still find it quite AMAZING that someone who admits that he does not work, admits that he received 41K after elaving prison could turn that 41K (now it changes again) in a 100K PLUS collection and that does not cover food (for you or the snakes), electricity, gas, water, cars (you said you drive luxury cars), gas for those, mortage/rent (if applies- I am sure it does as I would love to find a place ANYWHERE in Cali. that you could buy 1 acre of land with a dwelling of sort on it for 41K or less), caging/materials to build own cages, internet expenses (be it access to or posting ads, etc.), leasure activities, and whatever else I missed.
NO sarcasm involved, I find it truly amazing. You really should write a book to your technique and I will be the FIRST to purchase a copy.

 

[Brian Oakley]

Not to knock you as I feel your words are wise, but I am well aware of additional ways to SAVE money.
All you spoke of were ways to decrease the outgoing. Even if you take the initial 41K and break it down, it would have been speant before the house was payed for (unless it was a bank repo or Gov. owned). The 41K would not allow for your cars, you insurance, your food, your gas, your electrcity, your other home and the before mentioned items. This is all before I even speak of the, NOW 100K+ snake collection. You know as well as I do that one cannot live off of selling small orders of rats here and there. NOW, with that said, if you have MANY people/companies that buy from you that would help considerably in the daily expenses that come with being alive. Again, this is all before I even get to the snakes.
Now to the snakes. I ask for time to find it, but you told me in email OR told everyone here on a thread somewhere that you speant 10's of thousands of dollars with Bob Clark. That in itself would take up your initial 41K or at least close to it going by what you have told me and/or everyone else.

You see, Damon, the math just does not add up. You would have to be doing something that brings in one hell of a chunk of change to have a 100K+ collection of snakes and still pay your way through life. Granted, I know you say you have a wife and like me, we do things together........money issues or whatever. Even the best of the best in this industry would have to bring in SERIOUS monthly and/or annual income to sustain the collection you say you have.
Where do you sell your animals? I know you have the common boas up for sale, but that would not even pay you utilities each month much less for the year and all else that we need money for. How many cages do you sell? I only know of one person that has ordered cages from you, not that there are not more, but at the prices you sell/advertise them at, you would have to sell 1000's of units to uphold the lifestyle you have.
Now, before you ask if I am jealous, the answer is no. I have two vehicles, both less than 3 years old (1 is paid for), a 2 year old house, a small, but all morph, collection of boas, my family, my English Mastiff (other breeding project nobody knows about), and my health. THat is all I look for in life and am completely content with it.
I do not suppose I am really looking for an answer to any/all of the questions I posse, but one might think that there is some exageration of your own going on......NOT that I have proof, but again, one might wonder.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Brian, Brian, Brian,...... is there ever really ANY point in explaining ANYTHING to you? You always somehow make a way for it to either, not make sense, or to be a lie. Why is this?

Okay,.. I will very patiently (yet once again) attempt to explain a few fundamentals here.

I have not covered EVERY single way I have ever made money here in this post. Nor will i ever since many things, though perfectly legal, are my business.

What will really bother you is that the 41k had nothing to do with the snakes or the luxury cars I now own. Let's pay close attention to "timelines" here, okay? I bought this property in 1997 for a cash amount that I will not disclose. The property was neither a Gov owned or a bank repo. It was simply abandoned and had been forgotten and off the market. My friend, who has been a real estate agent for over 50 years now found it for me off the market. With the three houses and acreage it was EASILY worth 200k. But taxes were owed on it by the previous owner and they accepted an incredibly low cash offer. I had lot's left over. I dropped about 15k into a remodel with me doing all the work. The 15k or so was just for materials. Now here's the funny part,... I was a party animal still then and partied away THOUSANDS of that money. It had nothing directly to do with any reptile investment or nice cars. Those came later after I met my gal. At that time I was content to get by and drive a mustang 5.0 But as a habit I always invested in things to turn them and make a buck here and there. I'd see a guy selling his van for 900 and I'd turn around and sell it for 3k,. stuff like that. Anyone can do it, it's easy. Now I think much bigger because my girl's future is also at stake. I want her to be secure for LIFE and never have to work after I am dead. So now I am thinking multiple "millions" instead of just ocassional thousands to get by. It's all the same thing only larger investments and a bit harder "work".

Now what do you mean, "you know as well as I do that one cannot live off of selling small orders of rats."?? Are you kidding me? Or are you just trying to get me to tell you what can actually be made on little ol rats? Heck dude, just last weekend I made a little over 1500 cash on rats alone. Get a clue and realize what you are talking about before you talk about it. Rats are a bonifide commodity Brian and there will ALWAYS be a strong market for them as long as people own pets that eat them. But enough about that,. if you choose to think that you know more about the rat business than I do then so be it, I won't argue with you any more. But one of us has a rat facility that churns out approximately 8000 rats per month and I don't think it's you. (by the way everyone else, my prices are the cheapest in the market)

And then you are "teaching me" a thing or two about the reptile cage business?? Where do you get off? Your whole post here involves YOU telling ME that all of what I do cannot work, yet YOU are not doing any of it. You don't breed and sell rats. You don't build and sell cages. Yet you come here and tell me the ins and outs of these businesses and markets. How is this possible?

In addition to that LUDICROUS fact, you tell me that I cannot even pay my utilities based on selling some baby boas?? How do you know? Do you know how many baby boas I have sold? How many I sell each month? Do you know what my utility bills are? No, no and no. You don't know any of this, yet you come on here and post that I can't do what I do each and every day in my utter leisure. God,..... I guess it would REALLY blow your mind if I was to tell you that I have 2 employees, one clean up and one driver. Yikes! Oh my,. I could NEVER afford two employs on selling rats and lousy boas and rickety cages, lol.

Boy dude, you sure do assume a lot for not ever doing what you're talking about, plus for a guy that said he would no longer post things as "fact" without knowing for sure you sure did post a lot of stuff here as fact. Kinda strange,....

Look,.. if you still are convinced that I am not doing all this stuff I say I am doing just go ahead and say so one last time and I won't even bother arguing with you. I'll just say something to the effect of,... "ok, you got me, I was making everything up,. I'm really actually poor." It worked for Slackass, perhaps it will work for you too. Okay? Deal? Because I am reeeeaaaallly tired of explaining things and I reeeeeaaaaallly don't care if you think I'm doing well or not. It makes no differece to me.

Take care Brian

Not to knock you as I feel your words are wise, but I am well aware of additional ways to SAVE money.
All you spoke of were ways to decrease the outgoing. Even if you take the initial 41K and break it down, it would have been speant before the house was payed for (unless it was a bank repo or Gov. owned). The 41K would not allow for your cars, you insurance, your food, your gas, your electrcity, your other home and the before mentioned items. This is all before I even speak of the, NOW 100K+ snake collection. You know as well as I do that one cannot live off of selling small orders of rats here and there. NOW, with that said, if you have MANY people/companies that buy from you that would help considerably in the daily expenses that come with being alive. Again, this is all before I even get to the snakes.
Now to the snakes. I ask for time to find it, but you told me in email OR told everyone here on a thread somewhere that you speant 10's of thousands of dollars with Bob Clark. That in itself would take up your initial 41K or at least close to it going by what you have told me and/or everyone else.

You see, Damon, the math just does not add up. You would have to be doing something that brings in one hell of a chunk of change to have a 100K+ collection of snakes and still pay your way through life. Granted, I know you say you have a wife and like me, we do things together........money issues or whatever. Even the best of the best in this industry would have to bring in SERIOUS monthly and/or annual income to sustain the collection you say you have.
Where do you sell your animals? I know you have the common boas up for sale, but that would not even pay you utilities each month much less for the year and all else that we need money for. How many cages do you sell? I only know of one person that has ordered cages from you, not that there are not more, but at the prices you sell/advertise them at, you would have to sell 1000's of units to uphold the lifestyle you have.
Now, before you ask if I am jealous, the answer is no. I have two vehicles, both less than 3 years old (1 is paid for), a 2 year old house, a small, but all morph, collection of boas, my family, my English Mastiff (other breeding project nobody knows about), and my health. THat is all I look for in life and am completely content with it.
I do not suppose I am really looking for an answer to any/all of the questions I posse, but one might think that there is some exageration of your own going on......NOT that I have proof, but again, one might wonder.

 

[Brian Oakley]

Damon,
you crack me up! I mean that laughing 'with you' not at you. You have a story for everything someone says, I guess that is ok.

This was your quote, quoting me "you know as well as I do that one cannot live off of selling small orders of rats".
You failed to include the next sentence that said, "NOW, with that said, if you have MANY people/companies that buy from you that would help considerably in the daily expenses that come with being alive".

Please, you tell me to quote correctly, I politely ask the same.
I am well aware of how much the rat market is needed in this industry, if you have forgotten something, I keep snakes as well.
Who ever said I knew more (or less for that matter) about rats? Talk about twisting things up here. What a joke.

Ther person I get my rats from has 10K BREEDER mice/rats, I am well aware of the money that can be made and I go to his facility weekly. Like I said, I was just commenting on whether you sold to a few people OR Damon, had "MANY people/companies that buy from you".

Again, quoting me with something I never said. Where did I say I was "teaching you" anything about cages?

Allow me to quote myself if you will, "How many cages do you sell? I only know of one person that has ordered cages from you, not that there are not more, but at the prices you sell/advertise them at, you would have to sell 1000's of units to uphold the lifestyle you have."
THAT is what I said, no more no less. Please show me where it mentions teaching anything? My post did not "tell" you anything, it ASKED alot. All of which I said that I did not expect an answer to any/all of them. And you ask me "where do I get off?" Did you type that while looking in the mirror?

I beg to differ with you, my friend. Out of all the cages I have, I only own ONE that was NOT built my me. I am aware of saving money. Yet, in my case, I did it because I like to be creative. How funny you have become. I have enclosed a pic of only 2 of them if that will satisfy you for now. Youa re right about one thing, I do ot sell them, that is true.

No, I don;t know hwo many baby boas you have sold. I have asked that very question, I asked you (another quote of mine regarding myself), "Where do you sell your animals? I know you have the common boas up for sale." Forgive me for not asking you HOW MANY. I figured I would not get an answer about that anyway, and that would have been fine.

Lastly, I never said I was not convinced about anything. Like I have told you before (I want to sound like you now), this is getting very frustrating, Damon.........THAT IS WHY I ASK QUESTIONS!!!
Taking things as fact (in your case) is a far cry from someone asking questions.

 

[Brian Oakley]

well looky here, another cage I built. This one was real economical. It was a 4x2 I turned into 2- 2x2's in one.

 

[Brian Oakley]

one more pic for you and I am through proving myself.......
two more cages I built. These are 6'x2.5'...I saved even more money by not putting glass on the doors.....
Actually, I got lazy, I cannot exaggerate.

 

[David Reid]

Damon

How about letting me come over and inspect your shack I live in the Temecula area...and have a digital camera.

Dave

 

[Brian Oakley]

Just for $h!ts and giggles.........

Would someone else PLEASE comment on where I said the at I was "teaching", or said there is no money to be made in rats or where I was coming from all together on the last post I made?

IF I am wrong, I will be more than happy to PUBLICLY (did I spell that right?) APLOGIZE right here on this very thread!

Until then....................................

 

[Brian Oakley]

Now THAT is a great idea. let someone impartial to this whole mess come over and take a few pics of each room you have. I love to see other people's setups and think it would be great!
I do not have to see EVERY snake, but a good representation of what you have would be way cool!

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Re: Damon

Thanks for the offer but I really don't care if any of these busybodies believe I have a cool house or not. I am just getting a little sick and tired of nitpicking, neurotic, simpletons telling me what I can or can't do, or what I am or am not doing when they themselves have never done what I am doing and completely lack any knowledge or experience in the field/s. I have simply resigned myself to not answering any posts from the incessant doubters that just never seem to get it regardless of how much I spell things out. It's a futile endeavor and I recognize this now and shall have no part of that.

Other than that I do not feel the need to prove ANYTHING to ANYBODY. But if you want a rat order or a cage or a future morph, drop me an email, perhaps we can become friends, and THEN I will welcome you over to see what I have. Otherwise I am a very private person. My email is [email protected]

Thanks David

How about letting me come over and inspect your shack I live in the Temecula area...and have a digital camera.

Dave

 

[scorpqueen13]

I tried

My goodness, I tried so hard to keep from posting here/being involved in this crap. Damon, my interactions with you came at a miserable time in my life. This does not change what physically happened.

Honestly, I am a person who values my integrity. Telling lies for you wasn't something I could live with myself doing. Lying about your breeding stock, lying about your name, lying about your past, lying lying lying. That's why I left. Depressed as I was at that time, and looking for new opportunities, I could not live a lie.

I never told anyone you beat your "wife," and I never told anyone I was kidnapped and "held at gunpoint." When I knew you, you were a dangerous person. I cannot attribute everything negative you do to alcohol, as I agree that alcohol only intensifies the true person who has consumed it. When I told you I was leaving, you flew into a rage, and drank yourself silly. You then got a gun out of your desk drawer, and twirled/waved it around all the while leering at me, telling me we should go shooting before I leave, pointing the gun at me. Given your previous accident and your state of drunkenness, I can only assume that you were doing your best to scare me, and guess what? It worked. I was a little rattled.

I have shared that story with a couple people, yes. There are things I could say in your favor, and there are things I could say against you. I've opted to stay out of it, and leave my interactions with you where they belong: In the past. I have a family now, and I have moved on. In your PM to me here, you stated that you "hope my conscience is eating at me." The only thing that eats at me as far as you're concerned, is that people continue to hear lies from you. You continue to change your story, and nothing ever really holds firm. This is the reason I chose to distance myself with you in the first place. You sending threats to my close friend (at the time) Jay Owens, and many other friends of mine did bias my opinions of you, and I did violate some trusts you'd placed in me. The original reason remains, you are still afraid to be who you are. What I've seen here only confirms that in my mind.

If you have issues to work out with me, Damon, feel free to email me at [email protected]. I probably shouldn't have gone off on this little tangent here, the reason for my posting was to verify that some of my "stories" have been exaggerated by the rumor mill.

Now, I apologize, but I'm, off (probably for the evening) as I have lots to do around here.