Brian Smith-Inquiry

[scorpqueen13]

oops, almost forgot to comply with the rules here...

The name is as stated on the sidebar, Rebecca Jonilionis.

 

[Brian Oakley]

Ok, if you are done, I am done as well.
I will leave it at the following:

1. I never doubted anything you do, I only inquire to what levels you do so.
2. I CAN speak regarding all that you are doing, did you fail to see the pics I provided? As far as rats, I have bred ONE PAIR once, and NO that does not compare to the numbers others put out. I simply do not have ANY desire (or the time for that matter) to care for large amounts of rodents.
3. I have the knowledge regarding the 3 main issues we discussed.....a) Breeding, I have done that, b) building cages, proved that as well, and c) Rodents, did it once, don't want any part of it.

And I will end it with this..........if you were so private you would not have mentioned money matters (2 homes, types of cars, 41K from lawyer after jail, 100K+ in snake collection,), past drug habbits (was never brought up except by you), drinking (we knew it anyway....well others did), killing someone (accident or not...yes we knew that anyway), $1500 made in a weekend selling rats, producing 8k rodents a month, 10's of 1000's spent with Bob Clark (waiting to hear from Bob to verify what you bought and how old they were... ), 15K in remodeling, I am sure I could disect the nearly 600 posts and find more. I understand you are a very private person to share all this in a place where the WHOLE WORLD CAN READ IT!!

Just so you do not feel obligated to respond, there were no questions, just FACTS that came from you!

Bye bye!

 

[Brian Oakley]

DAMN, I guess I spoke too soon. Did not know I would finish my post to come back and find THIS!!!

Rebecca,
I am truly sorry you had to go through ANY of the things you mentioned. I can see Damon already, you will be told you are a liar. I think the truth of Damon has come out and you coming here tells me, anyway, that I am not crazy when it comes to stories changing, facts twisted, posts turned around like they have been.
He is the only person I know that can have 2 different sets of words, both written by him, and justify them both while they are side by side so to speak.
I am glad you found some resolve in your life.

Damon, I really am interested as to what you have to say to that post! Amazing how the past comes back to haunt people. Just to think, I gave you benefit of the doubt in thinking (I believe you posted in regards to this just yeasterday...maybe it was earlier today) that this was all bull$h!t..............I would think differently now that the 'victim' has come forward.

I will close by saying I am sure she could say some good things about you (like she said she could), but unfortunately, it is the silly things people do in life that are remembered.................

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Re: I tried

Yeah,.. you could say some good things,.. but you won't, now will you?

And I have heard DIRECTLY from people that have said that you stated that I had "beat my wife."

Also,.. when we went for a drive and I asked you what was up and you said you were going to leave I was ECSTATIC! I wanted you to leave! I wasn't upset in the least about that. All you were doing was costing me money and it took everything I had to get you to do something in the main snake room or to help me build cages, like handing me a tool. You were always on your cell phone and would sleep all damn day and then lay around. I wanted you gone so badly it was a pure relief to hear you say that you were leaving. But none of this was personal, I just didn't want to have anything to do with you from a business standpoint. You're lazy and unmotivated and it doesn't fit into my goals.

I'm glad that you brought up the alledged "kidnapping" thing and at least admitted that it never happened. Yes, I got drunk that night, but I was happy you were leaving, I really was. And the thing with the gun (which was an old, broken bb gun) was a joke. Do you deny that I then put it away and apologized and said it was just a joke? Furthermore, I NEVER pointed it at you, broken bb gun or not.

For the record I never started disliking you until you left here and betrayed me to every last little detail to those other jerks, which later tossed you to the wind. Not telling lies for me, and willingly divulging every scrap of information about me are two different things. And you knew God Damned well why I asked you to keep things secret,. yet you failed to mention that here. It was to keep my competition from knowing I was back in the game, amongst other things tactical from a business standpoint.

Now all the good things that you never tell anyone. Jeez, where to start? I placed money in your bank account just prior to you leaving to cover your credit card bills. And when you were leaving, AFTER the big scary bb gun incident, I might add,.. you asked me if I wanted you to pay me back. I said "NO" and even went on to say that I would send you more money from the sale of the cages that you "helped" me build. Does this sound like someone that was upset you were leaving? Furthermore, when your friend got here I helped you load your stuff and then we all hung out for a little while taking pictures of some of my alligators. Remember this? We were all having a good time. And I thought your friend was a nice guy.

Also,. while you were here we all had our share of fun and you even took part in the parties. Remember when I introduced you to my friend and you and he hit it off and had sex that night? You had a ball

And what about when you wanted rabbits for "George" so I drove us 40 miles away and spent my money on rabbits for your boa? What about that? None of that matters, right?

And getting crickets for your beardies?

Man, I could go on and on, but I prefer to remember the good things, since there were lots of good things too. Actually Rebecca,. I can't remember having a single argument with you the entire time. You're a good person, you just didn't fit into the whole business scheme of things.

Take care and best of wishes to you in your life. No hard feelings from me.

My goodness, I tried so hard to keep from posting here/being involved in this crap. Damon, my interactions with you came at a miserable time in my life. This does not change what physically happened.

Honestly, I am a person who values my integrity. Telling lies for you wasn't something I could live with myself doing. Lying about your breeding stock, lying about your name, lying about your past, lying lying lying. That's why I left. Depressed as I was at that time, and looking for new opportunities, I could not live a lie.

I never told anyone you beat your "wife," and I never told anyone I was kidnapped and "held at gunpoint." When I knew you, you were a dangerous person. I cannot attribute everything negative you do to alcohol, as I agree that alcohol only intensifies the true person who has consumed it. When I told you I was leaving, you flew into a rage, and drank yourself silly. You then got a gun out of your desk drawer, and twirled/waved it around all the while leering at me, telling me we should go shooting before I leave, pointing the gun at me. Given your previous accident and your state of drunkenness, I can only assume that you were doing your best to scare me, and guess what? It worked. I was a little rattled.

I have shared that story with a couple people, yes. There are things I could say in your favor, and there are things I could say against you. I've opted to stay out of it, and leave my interactions with you where they belong: In the past. I have a family now, and I have moved on. In your PM to me here, you stated that you "hope my conscience is eating at me." The only thing that eats at me as far as you're concerned, is that people continue to hear lies from you. You continue to change your story, and nothing ever really holds firm. This is the reason I chose to distance myself with you in the first place. You sending threats to my close friend (at the time) Jay Owens, and many other friends of mine did bias my opinions of you, and I did violate some trusts you'd placed in me. The original reason remains, you are still afraid to be who you are. What I've seen here only confirms that in my mind.

If you have issues to work out with me, Damon, feel free to email me at [email protected]. I probably shouldn't have gone off on this little tangent here, the reason for my posting was to verify that some of my "stories" have been exaggerated by the rumor mill.

Now, I apologize, but I'm, off (probably for the evening) as I have lots to do around here.

 

[Brian Oakley]

Does the fact that you waved a BB Gun (will we learn that this was not the truth either Damon) around in a fit of some sort make it any better? Still could do damge if something horrible went wrong and hit in the right place. Why would you need to pull out a BB Gun if you were so happy she was leaving? I call BS. So you DO admit that you did this after, for PAGES, said it never happened!!??
Let me guess, embarrassment? PLEASE!

Amazing, amazing, amazing how things come out, don't you think, Damon?
It boils down to one simple fact..............You LIE to make yourself look better. To what degree I suppose I will never know, but I have learned ALLOT about you on this thread.

No need to respond, just voicing my opinion.

I still say, I hope things get BETTER for you, I really do...................

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

I forgot to ask you about this here.

The only thing that eats at me as far as you're concerned, is that people continue to hear lies from you. You continue to change your story, and nothing ever really holds firm. This is the reason I chose to distance myself with you in the first place.

Now this is VERY misleading here. What "lies" are you referring to that "people continue to hear"? This I want to hear in the greatest of detail. Why, because you know more about me than any other person in this thread and can offer the most accurate facts and details. Now as far as I'm concerned I have taken the time to lay everything on the table and spell out my entire life down to the greatest detail. I didn't need to, but I did. What part was not, is not true?

Do I not have very nice vehicles?

Do I not own two houses? (I showed you the deed to the other house)

Do I not have numerous high end morphs? (keep in mind what you last saw a year and a half ago is a drop in the bucket compared with what I have now, but it was still considerable. Plus which, all that you saw then were yearlings and sub adults and are now fully mature gravid adults. I realize you don't know much about breeding snakes, but many python species can be bred at even 1 year to 18 months, it's just often dependant on the size)

Did I not breed my own rats and rabbits? (this has been increased to TREMENDOUS proportions, by the way. I posted pictures even 6 months ago in the burmese forum on ks showing my rat facility and breeding units and maternity racks)

Do I not build and sell kickass cages?

What exactly am I claiming that is not true Rebecca? I'm just dying to know. Come on, pull the stops. It's all on the table now. Have at it, but be 100% honest and accurate. And for crying out loud, if you are going to say bad things about me, don't you think it's only fair to say good things too? This makes you look hostile and biased.

 

[Brian Oakley]

I, ok maybe WE should be in there, are dying to know also. I would think that it would not be until tomorrow since she said she was busy tonight and had things to do.

I am not sure if I will be able to sleep tonight with anticipation of being able to see what we learn next.

I will be the first to say, Damon, right here in front of everyone that I would have beent he first to give you a chance so to speak. The part I have a problem with is how often you say it is all out on the table now. I will not venture to guess how many times you have said it, but we always learn something more after each time you say that.
So, my question is how many times are you going to say it is all out on the table? There should have not been more than one time in my opinion.

Very unfortunate situation you have over there in good old Cali.

 

[scorpqueen13]

I've said what I have to say... yes, you upheld your end of the business agreement and "paid me" albeit in a roundabout way. You feel the need to have complete control and decide what bills I'm going to pay with "my" money, after I quit my job to come "work for you"... I'm not even going to get into this crap with you here. I don't think I have to, as people here can see that you love to put your spin on everything, and there is always an excuse at the ready for every lie you're caught in. Rehashing old stuff is just going to get ugly. You know in your heart that you are chock full of lies, and severely lacking integrity. My sexual life is none of your business. I'm done here... I refuse to spend day and night on the computer defending myself against your twisted accusations. My opinion is stated. I never lied about you, and I would expect that you quit lying about me.... that would require an ounce of integrity, yes.

-Rebecca Jonilionis

 

[NeoScales]

Let’s not forget it’s you who called Rebecca out here by name…

She's maintained the same story since the occurrence, nothing was made up here as part of your imaginary conspiracy (. However you shift the truth on any given subject at a whim to protect yourself from embarrassment (per your admission and several instances of that have already been pointed out by others in various posts).

You have consistently made yourself appear as a person of low character, you’ve merely reinforced that by choosing to libel Rebecca with tales of her sexuality and demean her as being "lazy" while she was with you. Simply because she refuses to support your version of reality. But you do everyone a service by showing how you refer to someone as a worthless object that doesn’t fit your needs, your business, instead of as a person.

I found the following interesting – now lets remember she wrote this over a year ago, at the time of the “incident”, not because of this thread…

This what you say now…

B.S. You say I am a "gun waving" person? It sounds like you have heard the same bullsh!t that others have been told.

This is what happened in the mind of the other person there at the time…

So, I told him I had decided to move back home. Well, he flipped! He got piss drunk, and started threatening me... waving guns in my face.... Not cute

…and then you say this later

B.S. Yes, I got drunk that night, but I was happy you were leaving, I really was. And the thing with the gun (which was an old, broken bb gun) was a joke.

A joke? Maybe if you hadn’t shot your friend dead and did time, someone could possibly think that believable. But people who kill others lose their right to “joke” by pointing a gun at people in my book. Do you think maybe you scared her? Did it make you feel like big man to make someone fear for their life again?

This what you say now…

B.S. Her and I remained friends for a couple of months after she left until I saw that she was close friends with you jerks in the bc forum and I felt I could no longer trust her.

This is what happened in the mind of the other person there at the time…

I left in a bit of a hurry, as you can imagine, and wound up leaving a box there of paperwork. The worst thing I could possibly have left! So, in order to get that box back, I was forced to "forgive" him, and maintain some semblance of "friendship"

I could go on and on…but this and what is below demonstrates the “you” that I see. No it’s not the “whole” you, but it’s been more than enough for me to stomach.

B.S. This makes you look hostile and biased.

Biased? Is everyone who disagrees or won’t lie on your behalf need to be labeled “biased” or part of an imaginary “conspiracy” against you? You know the one that we’ll all part of trying to keep you down *cough*, people like myself who have to control your behavior when you can’t, Dr. Owens, Rebecca, your trial lawyer, you old girlfriends, and I’ll bet the list goes on for miles…it’s referred to as “paranoia”.

B.S. Big deal Ritchie. What do you want,.. a medal? For busting me in a few lies because I was ashamed to say, these fibs are not tremendous, lies that damage the public

So as long as you're saving face, lying is okay then? Boy, I’ll bet you’d never need to do that to a customer right.

It’s you who looks simply dreadful here not Rebecca or anyone else for that matter. You're simply too frail to admit it to yourself, simply too self grandiose to know how ludicrous and dishonest you appear.

B.S. And yes, I do have a very large opinion of myself.

Yeah, you’re a great guy…

Randy May

 

[Brian Oakley]

And THAT is coming form someone who DOES know you, Damon. I know your biggest comeback is always that we do not kow you and you are not lying.
When someone who knows you better than ANY of us says the same things we have said all along, I think YOU are the one that is wrong!
Like she said, and I am not 100% sure I have said it here, but I know I have said it to others. You have an answer for everything, you always have a story for everything someone says......WAIT, I DID say that right on this very thread. Hold on, let me go find it so I am not told I am lying..................(minutes go by)............
AH HA! here it is, and I quote from page 119,a nd it reads as follows, "You have a story for everything someone says, I guess that is ok."
I knew I was right on that one!

You twist and turn things to a point that even you believe them. You say people do not say things correctly when they do not believe your BS. Everyone is wrong, biased, lying, part of a mob, and everything else you have said JUST because they DO NOT BELIEVE YOU! Why is that?
You cannot answer legitimate questions because there are no answers to give. What questions you ask?
1. Where do you sell your snakes (webpage, shows, email advertisements, what)?
2. Where do you sell your cages (webpages, shows, email advertisements)?
3. Since you brought it up, how many common boas did you produce and/or sell this year? I have only seen the same ad on another site with the same 52 free rats (which I will add is quite a good deal for a future buyer when they come along).
4. Where do you sell your rats (webpages, shows, email advertisements)?
5. What other snakes have you sold this year? Just trying to get a feel for what you have to offer to people.
6. Who was the last person you sold a snake to? I ask because I am looking for references on you. I want to know what people think of your animals/service
7. Do you still exercise your snakes? Do you make your burms crawl accross the back yard to get their food? I know you say that this keeps them in shape (not quoting you, this is my own words). What happens if they do not come to you, do they still get the food or is that another way to save money?
8. I guess my last question is, are you going to answer ANY of my questions? I see you have all but ignored all my recent posts. What is wrong, am I hitting a little too close to home for you?

Something that just came to mind. You mentioned that you enjoy posting here and will do so until your KS account is reinstated. If that is the case, I suppose they do not know it is you, Damon, that posts under Cages -n- Constrictors. Would that be fair to say? So you are going against what they are telling you to do on their own site? How respectful you are. Anything you can do to get around things in life huh?

o heck another question.
9. Do you respect anyone?
10. Have you ever met someone you did like that did not believe you? Just owndering if I ever had a chance to be 'liked' by you even though I have called BS the whole time.

I think I am done for now. You will be the first to know if I have any more questions as I learn more about you and your many sides to Damon/Brian.

Anyone reading this have anything you want to know and/or verify about Damon, please shoot me an email. I like hearing from others that have fallen victim to this neverending display of outrageous BS.

Until I think of something else to ask................

 

[Brian Oakley]

oh yeah, so sorry I almost forgot the most important one.

11. Do you want to tell me/us what you really bought from Bob and the ages of the snakes? I just want to verify what you say you have breeding this year, or already, compared to the info I will get from Bob when he responds to my email I sent him earlier.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

I've said what I have to say... yes, you upheld your end of the business agreement and "paid me" albeit in a roundabout way.

Wow, you actually admitted something good that I did. Amazing.

You know in your heart that you are chock full of lies, and severely lacking integrity. [/B]

Really? It seems to me that I have always done and always will do,.. everything I ever said and say I will do.

My sexual life is none of your business. I'm done here... [/B]

Well,. seeing as how you and my best friend had a sexual fling in the middle of my living room and the next day you and I discussed it and you told me that he was "okay, but not the best you've had", I'd say that at one point it was my business. Why is it not now? And it was just to demonstrate that you were partying here and having a great time, not hiding in the shadows in fear for your life. Are you denying that you had sex with my friend?

I refuse to spend day and night on the computer defending myself against your twisted accusations. My opinion is stated. I never lied about you, and I would expect that you quit lying about me.... that would require an ounce of integrity, yes.

-Rebecca Jonilionis [/B]

Lyng about you? When? Where? Everything I said was 100% true. Also, I asked you to either dismiss or verify all that I claimed. By your failure to do either I think it should be obvious to all that I was telling the truth. But one last time,. the things I said I own,.. do I not own them? Yes,... or no?

The only one putting a spin on things is you because you are under pressure with you're old friends that you told horror stories to about me to keep it close to what you told them. True or not,.. you and I never had a single argument or heated discussion and we got along pretty well.

 

[Brian Oakley]

Rebecca,
I hate to drag you into this any more than you are, but I have ONE question for you.

Can you verify that it was (or was not) a BB gun that he decided to be so manly and pull on you to some degree?

 

[Wilomn]

I'm not positive on this one but, I think that once you've been charged in a gun related incident and found guilty of that charge be it murder, manslaughter or whatever, you are prohibited from owning a handgun legally. So, if that wasn't a bb gun perhaps good ol brian/damon/josh is looking to go back to the iron bar resort.

Also, since he's admitted to selling cocaine, does it seem too far out to suppose that old habits may have been re-instituted? It sure would be an easy way to account for all the cash he's supposedly had access to. Or perhaps it was stashed before he went away?

Just speculating here brian/damon/josh. Since NOTHING you say can be given any credence it's all speculation when it comes to you. I'd say it's too bad but, heck, you really deserve it and you've completely brought it on yourself.

Wes Pollock

 

[Brian Oakley]

Wes,
You and I think way too much alike. That is exactly what I was thinking (in reference to the amount of money he has), but he says he does things legally.........so it must be true.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

I'm not positive on this one but, I think that once you've been charged in a gun related incident and found guilty of that charge be it murder, manslaughter or whatever, you are prohibited from owning a handgun legally. So, if that wasn't a bb gun perhaps good ol brian/damon/josh is looking to go back to the iron bar resort.

Also, since he's admitted to selling cocaine, does it seem too far out to suppose that old habits may have been re-instituted? It sure would be an easy way to account for all the cash he's supposedly had access to. Or perhaps it was stashed before he went away?

Just speculating here brian/damon/josh. Since NOTHING you say can be given any credence it's all speculation when it comes to you. I'd say it's too bad but, heck, you really deserve it and you've completely brought it on yourself.

Wes Pollock

Boy, you and the other guy seem very obsessed with me and every detail of my life. It's very flattering, really it is. But don't you guys have lives outside of me? lol. I mean, I know that the one guy is supposedly married, but he always seems to be here, fixated on me and never with his wife. Maybe a closet Damon lover, who knows. Either way I am flattered and I love the attention.

And another thing that neither one of you (guys?) seem to get is that nothing either of you say or repeat a thousand times can or will ever hurt me or my business. I mean, don't stop trying, I don't want that. I am currious to see if this thread can maybe break some forum postings records, but don't you see the futility? I have gotten business even just tonight from good folks reading this thread that can see right through your childish motives for attempting to drag me down, lol. I just got back from taking an order to a new customer for over 500 dollars (is this a lie too? lol) that I got because of this thread. So by all means, keep up the attacks. They do make someone look bad, but it ain't me.

Oh,. and,. one last thing Wes,.. in another post you said something to the effect of, "What, am I bothering you?" or, "Is something I'm saying getting to you?" or something like that, I really don't remember. But I found it hilarious the way you flatter yourself, unaware of how ridiculous you look. You get ahold of one little bit of trivia from 15 years before and hang onto it like a chiquaqua on a pant leg, thinking you are making incredible points and revealing damaging facts. But in fact it was something that someone else brought up and is also something entirely irrelevant to the here and now situation. Unfortunately my big (strong?) friend you are not good enough at this to actually bother anybody or get under their skin. At best you are comparable to a big dumb bulldog that has bad gas. Somewhat annoying to be around, but tolerable. If you REALLY want to be more effective in irritating me, learn from a master. Richie Luna was/is damn good at what he does. He takes the time to go through oodles of posts and he cuts and pastes lots of bits of information and sentences and disects them with incisive comprehention and twists them with remarkable skill into something which appears entirely different and damaging. He's really good at making mole hills into mountains and has at times really irritated me. Granted his IQ is much larger than yours is, but still, it couldn't hurt to go read a few of his better posts and try to draw a little knowledge from them. He was a little off today, I think he must have lacked a little sleep, but any day before a few days ago he was zinging pretty good. Now,.. if you or the other mushroom can get like that, then you can certainly begin to get on my nerves. Anything else you guys do is merely amusing.

Now shouldn't you be going to bed soon? You have to get up early to go work for somebody else

 

[Wilomn]

Wow brian/damon/josh you really have me pegged. And your words are hurtful too. Why are you so mean to me? And I'm barely smart enough to know when you're being mean too. If you didn't tell me I would NEVER know.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahaHHAHAHAHAHAHAHahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHahaHahahh

Yeah, Ritchie is WAY better than I will ever be. The best part about that though, is he and I are on the same side.

Wes Pollock

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Wow brian/damon/josh you really have me pegged. And your words are hurtful too. Why are you so mean to me? And I'm barely smart enough to know when you're being mean too. If you didn't tell me I would NEVER know.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahaHHAHAHAHAHAHAHahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHahaHahahh

Yeah, Ritchie is WAY better than I will ever be. The best part about that though, is he and I are on the same side.

Wes Pollock

Really?? Wow,. I thought he was on my side....... Strange. Well maybe I can bribe him with some free albino granites or a couple of grand to be on my side for a while. Then he can copy and paste and distort things to make me look like a great guy.

Whaddaya say Ritchie? Wanna work for the devil for a while? The pay is good and the benefits are downright evil.

 

[meretseger]

This thread has a very very long way to go before it breaks any records for this forum...

Erin Benner

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

This thread has a very very long way to go before it breaks any records for this forum...

Erin Benner

Well,.... we're working on it. Besides, I didn't just mean "volume", but perhaps the most in a 30 day period, or the most in the first two weeks,... or maybe even, the most posts containing nothing of any real relevance, lol.