Brian Smith-Inquiry

[Brian Oakley]

Damon,
I am not even going to entertain your comments about my wife. I didn't go there with you.
As far as everything else, I said right here that I wished you well. I can look at a complete enemy of mine (if one were to exist) and say the same thing. You are far from an enemy. You and I are not seeing eye to eye and I cannot change that. I asked some questions in the last page or two and I cannot force you to answer them. If you do you do. If not, then you have your reasons.
I still stand here and say that as time goes on, more and more comes out about you. I have told you that I believe when you are "leveling" with me and if I am wrong, oh well, but if I am correct then I still say it is quite admerable.
You choose to take things to some way out levels that are just not needed. I stuck to the info you AND others gave me. I never once said you WERE a liar. I did say stories change. I never once brought up certain issues in your past, before or after you admitted to them. I do not find it necissary to do that.
After all this, I have been called names by you, I have been told I was a liar and fabricated emails, and now you bring my wife into things. NOT needed. Through all the heat and emotion involved in this thread I still showed you respect to some degree.
You can have your wish, I will leave it at this. If you choose to answer my questions on one of these last pages then so be it. I will read on and learn nothing or learn something. If you choose to email me and answer my questions, which I personally think are relevant and would think you would agree since you wanted to keep this in the snake realm of things, I will listen.
I had nothing to lose and nothing to gain, remember?
Until then...................

 

[HerpVenue]

I looked at your site. And yes, I looked up and or "located" all your other information, including address should I want to make the 500+ mile drive to come buy something from you.

Where did you "locate" me? where did you get my address? Because your info might be wrong. 500+ ?
It is closer to 2500+

I saw that you don't really have a lot of stuff.

1. I never said I had a lot of stuff.
2. I produced more in 2003 than you did.

Does it bother you too that I am going to produce an incredible amount of different morphs this year?

Actually you claimed that you were gonna produce TONS of stuff in 2003.
Hey a little hint for you. 2003 is over and you have not produced one thing.

These are all petty things that you are bragging about

1. Lying about your Jail time is petty.
2. Lying about being some big time breeder that no one has ever heard of is petty.
3. Lying about the true size of your animal and posting next to a miniature dollar bill is petty.
4. Lying about what you will produce in 2003 is petty
5. Lying about some store who tried to shut you down is petty.
6. Lying about where your collection really got the disease is petty.
7. Lying about your entire collection getting sick and dying is petty.
8. Lying about your real name is petty.
9. Lying about not hiding from herpers is petty.
10. Lying about the charges is petty.

I get it. Lying is petty. According to you it is okay to lie as long as it hurts no one.
Hey this snake is a het.....(NOT)...but it is okay. Just because it is really not a het does not mean you will get hurt.

And what about what you were WRONG about? You were wrong about more than you were right about, including, but not limited to that I was a thief that had burguralized Prehistoric Pets. You were wrong about SO many things it makes you look like an amatuer fact hunter, yet you brag relentlessly that you were right about ONE thing, lol. One thing that is really insignificant

So can I see a list of the things I was wrong about?

Completely insignificant and irrelevant to the NOW time and how I conduct business.

How you conduct business?
What have you sold? Irrelevent to the NOW? Which "NOW" are you talking about? Because you were lying in this thread. Oh that is not "NOW" . That is really days ago. Yeah you are right. You are not lying "NOW"

And it really isn't so much about how much one has to start, or what is invested in as much as it is about operating under certain philosophies and principles.

Here is your philosophies and prinicples. Lie to the people. Lie about your name. Lie about the diseases of your snakes. Lie about the true size of your snakes. Post Lies about what you will produce. Post a picture with a miniature dollar bill to fool people into thinking you got these big awesome snakes that you just bought as babies. GO IT. Great Philosophy. go write your book


You ask if I am jealous.
The answer is.........I am not jealous of some guy who post stories about what he owns, drives and buys.
it is the internet.
And since it is the internet.......I own a 4.5 million dollar home.
I have ten wives. I have 20 cars. Paris hilton and Angelina Jolee want me to take them back.

You sell enough cages, rats and snakes to live VERY well.
You must sell a TON of stuff. You must sell more than Jeff Ronne and Pete Kahl. Who are you again?

Other than that I do not feel the need to prove ANYTHING to ANYBODY.

You don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone?
then why brag?
1. I have ten thousand expensive snakes.
2. I produce ten thousand expensive snakes
3. I have a cool house on big acreage
4. I have cool cars.
5. I do not work and have never worked my entire life.
blah blah blah blah.
You are right. You are not proving enything to anyone. But it sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of something.

Also,. while you were here we all had our share of fun and you even took part in the parties. Remember when I introduced you to my friend and you and he hit it off and had sex that night? You had a ball

What does this have to do with anything?

I'm glad that you brought up the alledged "kidnapping" thing and at least admitted that it never happened. Yes, I got drunk that night, but I was happy you were leaving, I really was. And the thing with the gun (which was an old, broken bb gun) was a joke. Do you deny that I then put it away and apologized and said it was just a joke?

Go into a bank and wave a bb gun around. Then tell them it is a joke. Let me know if you go to jail.
Go to an ariplane and joke around that you will hijack the plane. Then tell them it is a joke. Then let me know if you went to jail.

B.S. Her and I remained friends for a couple of months after she left until I saw that she was close friends with you jerks in the bc forum and I felt I could no longer trust her.

I could have sworn you said she left you while you were in Jail?
I guess they have internet access in jail10+ years ago. I guess the BC forums was around 10 + years ago.

Really? It seems to me that I have always done and always will do,.. everything I ever said and say I will do.

1. Still waiting for all these morphs you produced or will produce in 2003
2. Still waiting for the lawsuit you said you will spal me with.

And another thing that neither one of you (guys?) seem to get is that nothing either of you say or repeat a thousand times can or will ever hurt me or my business.

Must be why I was threatened with a lawsuit. Must be why I was threatened with a "SLANDER" lawsuit.

Well maybe I can bribe him with some free albino granites or a couple of grand to be on my side for a while.

I will be producing my own thank you. And I also do not like drug money.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Now you see what I mean Wes?? This guy is GOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOOD!

Study that last post and get back to me.

(hint to Bitchie: I wouldn't really have given you anything. I don't need anyone "on my side", lol. There's really no challenge or adversity that warrants needing support. Ta ta for now)

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Sorry for the typo

Now you see what I mean Wes?? This guy is GOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOOD!

Study that last post and get back to me.

(hint to Bitchie: I wouldn't really have given you anything. I don't need anyone "on my side", lol. There's really no challenge or adversity that warrants needing support. Ta ta for now)

I didn't mean to type "Bitchie", I meant to type "Ritchie". My bad, my clumbsey fingers hit the wrong key.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Re: Sorry for the typo

I didn't mean to type "Bitchie", I meant to type "Ritchie". My bad, my clumbsey fingers hit the wrong key.

See? Even while I was explaining that I didn't mean to write "Bitchie" I misspelled "clumsy". Crimmeny,. I think maybe you make me nervous "R"itchie,... not only am I accidently writing "Bitchie", I am misspelling simple words.

My bad.

 

[HerpVenue]

I wouldn't really have given you anything. I don't need anyone "on my side", lol. There's really no challenge or adversity that warrants needing support. Ta ta for now

Interesting.
So those e-mails asking your "friends" to support you does not exist.

Those e-mails asking why people posted against you does not exist.

you really did not write e-mails to complete strangers.....
these strangers did not even care about you until you wrote to them.
these strangers did not even ask for an explanation until you wrote to them trying to convince them your a good guy. Trying to convince them to post on your behalf.

yeah I was also born yesterday.
while your at it....sell me the london bridge. I am really that stupid.
And the B is just so gosh darn close to the R

 

[HerpVenue]

for someone who has as many QUALITY snakes as you do......
lets see some pics. With as many snakes and rats and bunnies as you have...... lets see the separate building you house them in. Because if you really have as many snakes as you like to portray.....it does not sound like you have room to keep them at your home.

lets see some pics.

 

[snakegetters]

Originally posted by Josh Burm Guy Well,. seeing as how you and my best friend had a sexual fling in the middle of my living room and the next day you and I discussed it and you told me that he was "okay, but not the best you've had", I'd say that at one point it was my business. Why is it not now? And it was just to demonstrate that you were partying here and having a great time, not hiding in the shadows in fear for your life. Are you denying that you had sex with my friend?[/B]

Even if the lady did have sex with your friend, what possible bearing does this have on any of the issues being discussed here? Are you trying to suggest that a woman who has sex with anyone demonstrates a lack of credibility? That's a rather outdated and biased view to say the least. What you have demonstrated by bringing up a subject like this is an utter lack of class.

This looks more like an attempt to embarrass or silence Rebecca than to demonstrate that she did not feel fearful of you. Whom a lady chooses to sleep with is really not any of your business unless the person in question is you. And even then it wouldn't show a lot of class to bring it up on the BOI.

I think that given the circumstances Rebecca had reason to be afraid - she was staying with a guy who had done jail time for shooting someone, and this guy "jokingly" waves a gun around right after she said she wanted to leave him. Sorry, but that is a classically scary situation, and guys have gone to jail for a lot less than that.

Do you actually know how most women behave in a potential domestic violence situation when they feel threatened by a man in their household? If not, please do a little reading on the subject and you will see why your supposed evidence for her not being scared just doesn't work.

I am not commenting on what actually happened because I wasn't there and I don't know. It is entirely possible that you never intended to threaten any violence. However you don't seem to recognize that your intent is not the most important thing. Nobody can read your mind and see what your intent is. They can only see what you actually do. Your actions certainly could have been percieved as scary, as a warning sign of serious violence, whether you meant them to be or not.

Frankly I think it was more than a little dense for you not to have figured out why she might have been frightened. I think that any sane and rational person in her position as you have described it would have cause for concern. Note that I say as *you* have described it. This isn't a he said, she said case. Discounting everything she has posted, the facts as you have stated them leave a lot of room for her to be seriously concerned for her safety.

Why don't you get on a plane and wave that same "BB gun" around while joking about hijacking and see what the reaction is? After you are done with your second stint in jail, you can complain all you like about how you are really a nice guy and it was only a joke. It won't change the fact that it's not cool to seriously scare people, and that scaring people can get you into a lot of trouble.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

You know "R"itchie,... even though you, Brian, Wes, Pat and Al went so very far out of your ways to *attempt* to do me damage (though I have yet to see any actual damage, either short term or long term),.... I am not angry about it. I am not going to hold any form of any kind of a grudge over it and I have no intentions whatsoever of seeking out any kind of silly revenge. I'm not like that. I'm actually a peaceful guy and like to avoid any form of trouble or violent confrontations. So regardless of what you guys do here, I only wish the best for you and your loved ones and I feel no ill will toward any of you.

 

[HerpVenue]

I am not going to hold any form of any kind of a grudge over it and I have no intentions whatsoever of seeking out any kind of silly revenge. I'm not like that.

1. Should I really get people to post all your threatening e-mails to them?



2. Here is a part of your post on Kingsnake.
Sure, I'm still angry about what was done to me. And I do have every intention of setting things right. I have nothing but time. And I haven't lost, nor will I. You see, the only way I can lose is if someone comes through my window while I'm asleep and murders me. Otherwise I am very much alive and getting stronger and paybacks are way cool. In the meantime I am joining forces with others that have been wronged and are currently being done wrong the same way I was. I could have easily done it alone, but hey, more strength in numbers, right?


In fact let me post your one BIG LYING THREAD

>Posted by: BrianSmith at Mon Oct 27 15:32:54 2003 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email
>Message ]
>
>Hey, I don't blame you one bit. I would be the exact same way. But you see,
>this was part of the genius of the assassination campaign. To mix in a dose
>of truth to a pack of lies to lend the lies merrit. The only truth in the
>whole thing is that my real name is not Brian Smith. But this was never
>intended to decieve anyone, or to "hide behind a false name". (not from
>fellow herpers, anyway). In fact, it was never my intention to use the name
>for all this posting and whatnot. All that just got carried away. Here are
>the facts:
>
>When I first got back into this business a couple of years ago, it was
>after taking a decade long break from it. Prior to 1991 I was a fairly
>large breeder of pythons and boas and to a lesser extent, smaller species
>too. When I first began producing a great deal of offspring and selling
>them relatively cheap, it infurriated a lot of the pet store owners that
>were well known for reptiles. One of them was Slither City, owned by a
>slime ball named Wes. I'm sure that many of you reading this can guess one
>of the other reptile based pet shops here in So Cal that was involved in
>shutting me down. Concerted efforts were made to put me out of business at
>all costs since my inexpensive offspring were threatening their retail
>market. At first it was annoying things like the fish and game and animal
>control being called on me to try to legally shut me down. When this didn't
>work sick snakes were sold to me by annonymous third parties to infect my
>breeding colonies. This eventually took its toll and worked. My snakes got
>sick and died and I couldn't keep up with the vet bills and nothing was
>working anyway (antibiotics). I finally sold out and just gave up.
>
>So a couple of years ago, when I decided to get back into the game, I
>remembered all of this and decided to try to not let it be known that it
>was me that was getting back into this. All of the treachery and ruthless
>sabatoge I wanted to avoid. So I went to a breeder that I always felt I
>could trust. One that I had always felt was honorable, trustworthy and
>good. And I explained how I wanted to get back into this business big, but
>wanted to remain annonymous during the building years. I explained what the
>pet store guys did and wanted to avoid a repeat of that. He said he
>understood and had no problem with it. Little did I realize then that he
>was best friends with one of my mortal enemies (two now).
>
>A few months into buying morphs and building stock I lost a very big albino
>laby that I bought sick and tried to save. I spent over 700 at the vet and
>she died the night after I got her. So I put her skin on ebay to try to
>recoup my losses. One of the people in a certain reptile forum saw the skin
>auction and posted about it and criticized it and criticized the seller
>(me) as barbaric and all things bad. So I went to defend this. Try to keep
>in mind that I never intended to post in any forums. I was pulled into this
>one with the need to explain the situation and that I loved the snake, if
>even for a day and what had transpired to form the event.
>
>Things were bumpy at first, but I eventually smoothed it out and I found
>that I liked posting and sharing thoughts and info. But I had a tremendous
>personality conflict with one of the moderators of that site. We had
>serious words, it got very heated and ugly and I honestly thought that
>because I was spending untold thousands with the breeder that owned that
>site that he would back me up. I couldn't have been further from the truth.
>Not only did he not back me up, he told his friend (the moderator) all my
>real information (name, etc). So the moderator guy thought it would just be
>the most wonderful thing to post all my information to discredit me, and
>somewhere in the mix to implant a rumor that I was a theif and had ripped
>people off, including but not limited to a burguralry of Prehistoric Pets.
>To give him credit, this was quite a masterful stroke and it did damage me
>a bit. I lost a few sales and some close associates that I had built and
>known under the name that I never intended to post under in the first
>place. At first I couldn't believe all this and I was baffled by the sheer
>ruthlessness of it. But in retrospect it all makes perfect sense. This
>moderator guy is a breeder too. And I am future competition. It is the old
>days revisited. And so it bagan to make a LOT of sense. Then, I saw the
>same thing done repeatedly to anyone else that popped up that had/has a lot
>of snakes and had obvious intentions of doing some serious breeding or
>introducing something new (morph-wise). That's why I raised an eyebrow when
>I read the Whitefeather assassination. It made me wonder just how much lie
>was melded to little bits of truth in order to take down a potential
>competitor. If you are curious to see the lengths that this moderator guy
>goes to to make one look bad, just go read the thread on the BOI. It
>reminds me of an overly aggressive little poodle that won't let go of a
>pant leg.
>
>As for me,. I'm not too concerned about myself anymore. I know a lot of
>people already that know the story and are hip to these guy's undermining,
>discrediting ways. Sure, I'm still angry about what was done to me. And I
>do have every intention of setting things right. I have nothing but time.
>And I haven't lost, nor will I. You see, the only way I can lose is if
>someone comes through my window while I'm asleep and murders me. Otherwise
>I am very much alive and getting stronger and paybacks are way cool. In the
>meantime I am joining forces with others that have been wronged and are
>currently being done wrong the same way I was. I could have easily done it
>alone, but hey, more strength in numbers, right?
>
>The bottom line Shaun (and anyone else reading this) is that I promise you
>that the reptile world will be a much nicer place in a couple of short
>years.
>
>My real name is Damon.

 

[HerpVenue]

You know "R"itchie,... even though you, Brian, Wes, Pat and Al went so very far out of your ways to *attempt* to do me damage

p.s. I never attempted to "damage" you.

My only intention is to point out inconsistencies in your story.
Whoops I mean STORIES

 

[HerpVenue]

You don't need anyone on your side.

1. You got Thomas Jones to post stuff for you.
2. You got Sybella to post stuff for you.
3. You went crying to Dr. owens that he could have stopped all this.
4. You went trying to convince Brian Oakley of what the "real" story is.....
5. and so forth
6. and so on.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

That's right "R"itchie, I will never lose any argument, debate or fight. I never have lost a fight and I am not going to start now. I meant what I said there that the only way someone could beat me is if they come through my bedroom window and murder me while I'm asleep. And it's true. But I don't see any of you guys doing that. So in effect you have already lost. I hope you realize we are past the point of no return.

Take from it what you will. And say whatever you want. None of it makes any difference to me in any real way. I am rather enjoying myself here and I got you guys dancing on strings,.. but you'd never notice.

But again,... I must state once again. I am unaffected by any of this and hold no grudges against anyone. To me it's all in fun. Go drink some coffee "R"itchie,.. we're going to be up alllll night, he he.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

Do you have to get up early tomorrow and go work for somebody "R"itchie? Just wondering. I'm self employed and can stay up all night if I want to. In fact, I usually do. It's my alone time.

 

[Josh Burm Guy]

My guess is that you probably do. But don't feel ashamed to admit it, most people have to be content to work for some other shmoe for the majority of their lives. It's just the general system that most live in and accept and then get trapped in for life.

So what do you do? (job-wise)

 

[Ken Harbart]

Well,.... we're working on it. Besides, I didn't just mean "volume", but perhaps the most in a 30 day period, or the most in the first two weeks,... or maybe even, the most posts containing nothing of any real relevance, lol.

No chance of that, as I am now closing it. No new relevant information has been added as of late, and I could care less about you overinflated ego.