Info Buyer Beware Brian Towe California

[mickeysnightmare]

I received an e-mail from a guy named Brian Towe from the Modesto California area. He offered me 2.3 100% Het Pieds for my surinam male that I had for sale. After a couple e-mails things just didn't sound right; not answering questions, wouldn't give references, broken camera, ship same time, so I started web searching for info on him, nothing except where he was a buyer on ball pythons.net & a myspace account. On his ballpythons.net page he had several snakes listed but no mention of a pied which I thought was very odd since he had had her since 04 & she's a full morph. On a hunch, I googled images for a pied & found the exact picture that he had sent me saying it was his female that he had since 04 that had laid eggs in 06 & 08. I contacted Alison who owned the website on which the picture was found. She indeed said that she still owned it & he was a 450g male not female as he had stated. She also told me that he was asking her for pictures of it on a current newspaper which is what my husband asked him for to prove it was his since his camera was broken(one of my clues something isn't right). Alison sent him pictures on newspaper & within hours he had e-mailed them to me. This is just more evidence to me that he was trying very hard to convince me this was his female. I truly feel at best I would have gotten 66% hets since he has 2.3 66% hets listed on his ballpython.net page not 100% hets. Another odd thing to me was when I asked him where he got her he told me he got her from Lodi Serpentarium & the owner was Bill. This is half right, It's actually Great Valley Serpentarium in Lodi, CA but the owner is Bill.The address that he gave me didn't match the phone number given so I contacted Justin Kobylka who Brian had purchased a 1.1 100% het lavenders from & he confirmed that the address he shipped those to was the one that I found when I reversed the phone number he gave me. I have no plans of shipping him anything & have e-mailed him a link to this thread so he may defend himself if he so desires. If he had been honest we might could have worked something out.

 

[mickeysnightmare]

E-mails

From: brian towe
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: suriname boa



Hello I was wondering if you would be interested in trading your suriname boe for some %100 het pieds. I have a clutch and to tell you the truth I have too many snakes right now, it is costing a grip to feed all my snakes weekly...I have a beautiful female Barry Miller suriname that looks like your male with the big widows peaks and the pinkish tan coloring. I would give you my clutch of %100 hets and a baby suriname when I breed them...If this sounds like something your interested in let me know...Thank you...Brian.


From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:34:45 AM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Brian,

What is the male/female ratio in the clutch? Can you send me pics of the parents? Do you know who breed the parents? When were they born? What are they feeding on & how often? Where are you located?

Thank you,
Jane



From: brian towe
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:45 PM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Tha ratio was 3.5 five bieng hets 3 visuals.They were born 1/12/09. My brother kept a pied andthe other two were sold on kingsnake, so I have 2.3 left....I attatched a pic of my female (snowflake) she is 1900 grams I have had her since 04. The %100 het pied sire of the clutch is my brothers. We have succesfully bred them twice once in 06 and 08. I dont have any pics of the babies at this time but I can take some pics if you are really interested.


From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:40:43 PM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Brian,

What are the approx. weights & what are they feeding on? Mice or rats, F/T or Live? Do you have any references? Mine are posted on my site. You can also ask any major breeder about me as well. I know most other than NERD. I do not ship first in trades except to major breeders. Where are you located? Shipping the boa will be quite expensive depending on location. I would not be interested in the males as they are useless to me. I have 2 het males already & males don't sell well. By the way your name looks familiar, have we dealt in the past? Just curious.

Sorry I'm so cautious but I've had so many problems with trades in the past. Would you mind taking a pic of mom on today's newspaper so I will know she is actually yours? I've been screwed over so many times. I know others that have been too especially with hets. If you like you may call me until 10:30 tonight & after 3 pm to 12 AM tomorrow.

Thank you,
Jane Whited
423-504-2868
www.mickeysnightmare.com


From: brian towe
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:41 PM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


How mutch will you sell him for. I also do not ship first.

From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


I didn't mean to offend you at all. I just have no way of checking your references. I have him listed for $800 OBO.

Thanks again,
Jane


From: brian towe
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:03 PM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


I will see what I can do....I need to move my hets first then I will get back to you. I am verified Do you accept paypal? and what is the lowest you will take for him and how mutch does he weigh so I can get an idea how mutch shipping will be.

Hubby takes over
From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


My wife is not available, liver tumors awaiting surgery (hormones, aches, pains,...), so I'll try to reply.
We do accept paypal, at this email address, and are verified.
Trading would be easier for all. It saves you posting ads, answering emails, selling, shipping, clearing payment on several hets. It saves us dealing with purchasing other hets (around here, snake out = snake in).
Since pieds are recessive, she was trying to verify the genetics. The pied in your email is beautiful. If she is the dam and the hets healthy, a trade would be great for both of you. Posting a pic of the pied female to your myspace would work to show she is yours, solving the problem.
Thanks, Ray

PS Really like the scooters. I am a boilermaker/welder, thinking about building my own. My last was a 750 Harley solid on a FLH mod frame, but that was 15 years ago (sold her, got married, had kids). Any tips on the new stuff?

From: brian towe
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:58 PM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


I am trying to get some pics of him for you....My camera is not working correctly. I am trying to borrow one. These are all %100 hets and look like normals. Just carry the geene.


From: brian towe
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:54 AM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


If you are still interested in trading for my %100 het pied clutch let me know. I am going to just go buy another digital camera and I will take pics of the mother and put on myspace. and on the shipping. I will pay for mine and you pay for the suri. I am willing to ship at the same time if you are. I will ship overnite to your door and when I do send you the tracking info immidiately. This has worked for me in the past.

From: MickeysNightmare
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 AM
To: brian towe
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Yes, I'm still interested. Send me your shipping info with phone number you can be reached at, I will need it for the package. What day & time will you be able to ship? What carrier are you shipping by? I'm certified with FedEx.

Thanks,
Jane

From: brian towe
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:54 AM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


I would be shipping overnite fedex also. I can ship Today if you like, but the only thing is I will not have extra cash to purchase my digital take pics of Snowflake until payday. I thought I had pics of her on my comp but I cant find them. If you like we can wait until friday when I get paid. I wouldnt be able to ship them until monday tho. Either way let me know..Would you be interested in any normal big females?

Brian Towe.
XXXX XXXX XXXXX.
waterford CA,95386.

From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:19:43 AM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


He just ate on Sun. I still need your number for the package. What time will you ship out? What carrier will you use? When was the pic taken of mom that you sent me? When did you last feed the 3 het females? Are the sex of the females guaranteed? I guarantee all sex, health & live arrival. Also I'd like to have a pic of the sire as well for their webpages.

Thanks,
Jane

From: brian towe
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:35 PM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Oh im sorry I thought I sent it....(209)874-1176. I do have a pic of the sire on my comp. I fed them last friday. So you do not want all five 2.3. you just want the females? You let me know when you would like me to ship them as long as you ship the suri same time. I ship overnite FedEx.

From: MickeysNightmare <[email protected]>
To: brian towe <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:12:25 PM
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Brian,
Sorry for the delayed response. This afternoon has been very busy. Wed. or Thurs. would be great for shipping. He had a jumbo rat so he should be good by then. Just curious who produced snowflake? She is gorgeous! I'm only interested in the females. Males I have no use for. I have over 300 & a major food bill every week, lol. Can you send me pic of the sire for their pages? What are they eating? Will this work for you? What time will you be shipping EST?

Thank you,
Jane




From: brian towe
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:00 AM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


I purchased her at the sacramento reptile show in oct 2004 she was only 100 grams at the time I paid alot more for her back then compared to the prices now...I am not exactly sure what the guys last name is but I do know his first name was Bill. He was the owner of Lodi Serpentarium down by sacramento CA. I can see if I can find out his last name for you. Here is a couple of older pics of the sire about 6 months ago. and the only pic I have of my female suri. I really need to get a camera and update all my pics....lol. Do you happen to have more pics of the male suri. When I ship I will ship early as I can to make sure they get to you by the next morning and I will also send you a copy of the tracking info. Just let me know exactly what day you want to and send me all your shipping info.

From: MickeysNightmare
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:19 PM
To: brian towe
Subject: Re: suriname boa


He just ate on Sun. I still need your number for the package. What time will you ship out? What carrier will you use? When was the pic taken of mom that you sent me? When did you last feed the 3 het females? Are the sex of the females guaranteed? I guarantee all sex, health & live arrival. Also I'd like to have a pic of the sire as well for their webpages.

Thanks,
Jane


From: brian towe
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:15 AM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: suriname boa


Oh I almost forgot. They are eating 1 live adult mouse for me weekly. None of them have refused a mel so far, they are very good eaters. I havent tried to offer them frozen thawed.


-----Original Message-----
From: MickeysNightmare
Sent: Aug 3, 2009 8:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Male Pied


Just wondering if the male pied breeder on your site is still in your collection? I believe someone has stolen his pic. Just trying to confirm before I get scammed.

Thank you,
Jane Whited
www.mickeysnightmare.com
423-504-2868


From: Cichlidsandherps
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:16 AM
To: MickeysNightmare
Subject: Re: Male Pied


Hello,

Yes, he is still here. Where did you see the pic?

Thanks,

Alison

 

[Slipmattic]

i smell a scam...

 

[JG1153]

This guy is also emailing me about that same clutch. I'll post his emails in a bit. This sucks! I bought a supposed 100% het pied pair from him last year, which is how he has my info. Now I'm wondering if he scammed me on that pair?

 

[ForkedTung]

This guy is also emailing me about that same clutch. I'll post his emails in a bit. This sucks! I bought a supposed 100% het pied pair from him last year, which is how he has my info. Now I'm wondering if he scammed me on that pair?

Not only are past behaviors indicative of present behaviors but vice versa.
Best of Luck!


Can't wait to hear what Brian Towe has to say about his apparent misrepresentation, photo theft and all around scamming techniques.

 

[JG1153]

unfortunately I'm out of town at the moment and won't be back for a little while but as soon as I get back home I'll be looking more closely into this whole matter and at Mr. Towe. Maybe I can have something done about my last transaction with him through my bank considering this new disturbing information regarding his business practices.

 

[jayefbe]

This guy is smarter than your average scammer, which is scary. He did his homework, and had a fairly convincing story at first. Of course the warning signs (no camera for one) were there.

Just a question, why would someone agree to take and send a picture of their snake on a current newspaper for someone that requests it? Didn't Alison know what was going on?

 

[birdman123]

Let me get this start, so some scammer is selling these snakes and says I'll give you a picture but requests the picture from a newspaper or requests it from Alison to send it in? I'm confused.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

From what I read...
The scammer is pretending to have a snake to sell. When asked for a pic of said snake on a currant newspaper to prove he actually has it, he instead emailed someone else with a pied snake and requested a pic of THIER snake on a currant newspaper, to prove THEY had that snake. Then he used that picture to represent HIS supposed snake(which I would guess doesn't exist).

Pretty ballsy, becuase not only did he steal someone's pic to scam people with, he's actually requesting more pictures in order to scam people BETTER. If he had a snake, and only used a "representative picture" to show what his snake 'sort of looks like', he would not then go on to request another picture of that other snake to represent his own. That's no misunderstanding of "I thought it was the snake I'd be buying IN the picture!" and "The snake in the picture is not the actual animal, but looks just like it". That's blatant lying and scamming.

Good catch.

 

[birdman123]

Current newspaper??? Why a current newspaper why doesn't he get a picture that he has instead of using a newspaper because it has the name of the guy who has it? Or is it a ad actually?

 

[joepythons]

Current newspaper??? Why a current newspaper why doesn't he get a picture that he has instead of using a newspaper because it has the name of the guy who has it? Or is it a ad actually?

When you buy or get the daily newspaper it does not have your name anywhere.The person is scamming people so he had to steal a pic from someone that has a real snake for sell.

 

[birdman123]

Lol ok now I understand it, so he got a newspaper picture that was actually from someone else's animal and tried selling it off as his own? I just want to get the story down. Some parts are confusing me. Why would she have her animal in the newspaper in the first place or something like that.

 

[ForkedTung]

Lol ok now I understand it, so he got a newspaper picture that was actually from someone else's animal and tried selling it off as his own? I just want to get the story down. Some parts are confusing me. Why would she have her animal in the newspaper in the first place or something like that.

The picture is of an animal on top of not in the newspaper. It is to prove that one has ownership of said animal, that produced the het pieds that were involved in the trade.

 

[joepythons]

Lol ok now I understand it, so he got a newspaper picture that was actually from someone else's animal and tried selling it off as his own? I just want to get the story down. Some parts are confusing me. Why would she have her animal in the newspaper in the first place or something like that.

My fault i still have you confused some.When we want to verify if someone really has said snake we ask them to show said snake sitting on todays newspaper.If the person does not own said snake they will be unable to provide this request.So in turn liers are busted

 

[kmarsh]

Not sure if this is the correct answer but a assuption on my part but the reason for the current newpaper is so that You lay the snake You supposedly have on a newspaper where it would show the date so that someone knows on that date You have said snake. Since he didnt have it he had to request this action be done by someone that had that kind of snake on that day. Clever scammer.. gotta love them

 

[Masonexotics]

Not sure if this is the correct answer but a assuption on my part but the reason for the current newpaper is so that You lay the snake You supposedly have on a newspaper where it would show the date so that someone knows on that date You have said snake. Since he didnt have it he had to request this action be done by someone that had that kind of snake on that day. Clever scammer.. gotta love them

exactly right.

Another thing thats often done is to ask for a picture of the snake with some completely random item sellected by the buyer. You are unlikely to find on googe, for example, a picture of a certain royal python morph next to a certain brand of snack or drink (or whatever).

Basically just put them on the spot and see if they come up wityh the goods.

 

[jayefbe]

Ok, now why did Alison send him this picture? Was she trying to sell the pied, and the scammer was just pretending to be a buyer?

 

[joepythons]

Ok, now why did Alison send him this picture? Was she trying to sell the pied, and the scammer was just pretending to be a buyer?

Yes thats what happened

 

[birdman123]

I got it lol that is one smart scammer scarey really. So he just got the picture someone's snake on that date to show he actually has this snake on that date. I think we should spam him out. Just send him a bunch of messages saying scammer, scammer, scammer and see if we get anything back. Gotta love this guy it really shows how far people go. Sorry about the questions I was thinking newspaper as in the newspaper like a picture in the newspaper and I totally forgot that you could do that.

 

[birdman123]

Wow thats one good idea. I was also thinking that maybe ask the guy to write your name on a piece of paper and put next to the guy and have some drawings on it or something. That way they can't really scam because they can't find your name on a paper with a snake next to it and if they try to photoshop there are drawings on it making it hard. Actually, drawing doesn't work all this stuff could be messed up by photoshop damn guys we need to watch out sometimes.