Buyer Beware of Steve Ori Forgotten Realm

[WebSlave]

Steve,

Just on the off chance this quote was taken out of context, as there apears to have been several emails passed back and forth between yourself and Jeff Barringer, how about posting the ENTIRE conversation so there is no mistake about what was actually said?

I talked to Jeff Barringer and this is what he had to say about this site!!!!!!!!!!

>>>--- Jeff Barringer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The BOI is not our site. Not only is it
>>>>not our site, it is a web address that has been
>>>>blocked from being posted anywhere to our site
>>>>beacuse of the repeated and continued libel
>>>>and slander regarding our business, our vendors,
>>>>our users, and our staff.
>>>>
>>>>We are not involved with, part of, affiliated
>>>>with, or do business on any level with anyone
>>>>connected to that web site. We neither support
>>>>nor condone the activities that occur on the BOI.

You can take it or leave it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Steve Ori
A Forgotten Realm


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Steve Ori

A Forgotten Realm

Also, does JeffB know you posted this in a public forum? If you have taken this quote out of context, he may not be happy with you for doing that.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Mr Ori,
I had originally assumed you were an honest, level-headed person. However, you've now made it apparent that you are just a an insecure little bully. My apologies for thinking you had an ounce of integrity.

You really aren't too bright, making your juvenile threats. I'll tell you what though Steve- I'll make a little guarantee of my own to you. Should I see you attempt to instigate a fight at any show I'm attending, you will promptly be subdued and detained for local law enforcement. I haven't the patience to endulge with your childish antics.

Trust me Steve, you'd be best to stop sticking your foot in your mouth right about now. Should the issue be pressed, you've already done enough to 1) have your ISP shut you down, 2) have criminal charges filed against you, 3) have RO/PPO's filed against you, which could keep you from attending a few shows.

Like I said Steve, you can either drop the issue, or continue to push it. Either way, you won't be laying your hands on anyone. Do the former, and you can walk away with a bit of pride. The latter, and I'll guarantee that it will cost you time, money, and your freedom.

I expect this to be the end of it, from all sides. As the WebSlave has said, it stops now.

 

[HerpVenue]

Well Steve has not been here yet.

He either has more important things to do..........which is good.
OR
The complaints filed to his Internet Service provider as well as his e-mail provider may have been effective.

But I did forget to add this link when complaining to his ISP. Because after careful review of their TOS.....I then realized this thread would be substantial and beneficial in filing the complaint.


We shall see soon enough.

 

[Ken Harbart]

or do business on any level with anyone connected to that web site

You know, I'd like to touch on that statement for a moment, as it's not entirely accurate.I can think of quite a few members, as well as one moderator, who have paid accounts with kingsnake.com. Kind of a funny way of "not doing business" with someone, don't you think?

 

[Wilomn]

Good Morning Coffee drinkers. I have one last little item to add as well. I think this all comes down to ori's gurarntee. Had that not been there I don't think I would have been so vehement about him returning the deposit. Had it not been for that I would have been much more inclined to say that he would be well within his rights to credit that deposit towards another purchase at some future date or simply keep it for his time and energy and possibly lost/delayed sales.

It's that whole satisfaction or your money back thing that is the basis for this. As I've said before- do what you say you will or say nothing at all.

Wes Pollock

 

[HerpVenue]

One site owner admin whose account just expired two weeks ago.
One "moderator"/ferret whose account expired two months ago.
One moderator in good standing with both sites.
One ex moderator who is still a member.
And several Dozen members

 

[ms_terese]

Had that not been there I don't think I would have been so vehement about him returning the deposit. Had it not been for that I would have been much more inclined to say that he would be well within his rights to credit that deposit towards another purchase at some future date or simply keep it for his time and energy and possibly lost/delayed sales.

Then the question is: under what circumstances would he be able to keep the deposit? If someone just drops out of communication? For how long? If they change their mind? Do you actually have to take possession of an animal before the "Satisfaction Guaranteed" kicks in?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's simply that this poses an intriguing situation. A deposit was accepted, an animal was chosen, the buyer didn't follow through with completion of the purchase because he wasn't satisfied with an animal that he never took possession of, an animal that had no health problems pop up or anything else that would affect a change in that animal after it was chosen....but he's obviously not satisfied with the animal.

 

[Wilomn]

Sincerely,
Steve Ori
Manager
A Forgotten Realm
Pet to Investment Quality animals
Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Money Back

That last line there is where all of this stems from. steve said it, then didn't stand behind it. Nothing else is really relavent. Could he have been misunderstood? Maybe. But what he said was "Saitsfaction GUARENTEED or you money BACK"(the highlight are obviously my own). He made this gurarntee voluntarily. No one forced him to, he did it all by his lonesome. So he shouldn't have to stand by it just because he didn't mean it? Sorry. I don't see it that way.

Be careful what you say and be VERY careful what you write.

Wes Pollock

 

[The BoidSmith]

I had originally assumed you were an honest, level-headed person. However, you've now made it apparent that you are just a an insecure little bully. My apologies for thinking you had an ounce of integrity.

Ken,

He was given the benefit of the doubt at least twice. Regrettably it seems that I was wrong in my initial assessment of his personality.

Regards.

 

[HerpVenue]

Actually it was three times.

If you read my first post in this thread....
I did not say anything directly at eather party.
I just assumed they were both good guys who misunderstood each other.
then I gave some insight on my thoughts of the situation.
then I aged backwards in years and became a teenager

 

[The BoidSmith]

then I aged backwards in years and became a teenager

You lucky you! If only one person would ask me for a picture ID whenever I go to the theatre I would feel incredibly flattered!

 

[dqreps]

Steve is trying to pull one over on me also....

A couple months ago i sent steve ori $300, half down payment for a adult peach phase BCI. Here are some emails. I only have one email i saved from back then, it is the one where he gurantees his animals 100% even if you do not like the looks of it. I was trying to be real careful of him as i did not know much about him at the time. Here they are and please be patient as they may not be in any particular order.

Dallas Quarles


Hey Dallas,

I positively guarantee all of my animals 100% if you don't so much as like the way she looks. I've been trying to get Delta dase out here to set me up but it takes them forever to take care of business. To be honest I've gotten alot of response about her (probably more than the rest) and I'll have to ask 600.00 plus shipping. I won't ship until it's warm enough to guarantee her live delivery. I didn't go into this business for the money, my animals are my first priority. I would ask a half down deposit for her and the rest just before we decide the weather is good at both locations. I would ask you to check some of my references as I don't want any concerns on your part and I don't blame you a bit for not trusting anybody, your not supposed to. I won't accept a dime of your money till you fell comfortable in who I am. Hell we've got some time before the weather breaks (damn it, lol). Please call or write the following people and if these aren't enough I'll give you more. Brian Sharp, John (Rich Ihle's partner) Doug Matuszak, Todd Smith, Mike Smith (Kansas City), Craig Tanner. I've listed the more well known breeders to make it easy. I've got plenty more or you can do a search for Steve Ori or A Forgotten Realm at the Board Of Inquiry. Let me know.

Dallas Quarles <[email protected]> wrote:

I think i would like to buy her. She looks good in the pics but is hard to
tell from pics really. You said you gurantee satisfaction? so if i get her
and she has mites, scars, resp infection, any probs at all or i just plain
dont like the way she looks, i can return her? believe me, i like the way
she looks or i would not dish the cash you but i dont trust anyone as of
late so i must see her in person first. will you take $600 shipped delta
dash? delta would be safer it is cold here in maine. at any rate hold on to
her till i can back to you after you reply. thanks...

Dallas

>
>Hey Dallas,
> I haven't measured her but I'd guess shes 6' +. She was born in
>early 1998. She dropped 22 in early 2001 and 35 in early 2002. She wasnt't
>bred this year although my male jungle was in the cage with her for quite
>awhile but he had just bred 2 other females and didn't seem interested but
>you never know. She is not aggressive in the least. Like all of my animals
>she is 100% satisfaction guaranteed.
> Dallas Quarles wrote:Hey, i am interested in that
>peach phase col proven breeder. how long is she
>and how old? can you tell me when she bred last and how many she had? also,
>her mouth was agape in the pic, is she aggressive? not that i care, just
>want to know to expect. thanks..
>
>Dallas

Then recently i emailed steve because he was stalling getting the snake shipped out. Well, i told him i would just like a refund if he would not send out the snake because i could use the cash at this time anyway if i was not gonna see my animal. Here is the response he wrote.



From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
Dallas Quarles <[email protected]>

Subject :
Re: Message about: Do you have a male worthy of this female?

Date :
Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:07:58 -0700 (PDT)

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Hey DAllas,
#### partner I'm in the same boat. I lost
375.00 from not being able to complete my financial
obligation. I must say that I didn't like it a bit.
I'll do what I can to get you your money back. I want
you to know that most cos. consider a deposit as
non-refundable. It is part of our policy but I'll do
what I can. Your timing sucks though, a year ago I
would have just sent you a money order without giving
it another thought. Truth is I don't have the money at
the moment. Talk to you soon.


Then here is an email i got back about the middle of april stating that he was gonna keep the animal for a bit?! Steve told he that he would sell her for me and then get me the money?


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From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
Dallas Quarles <[email protected]>

Subject :
Re: Message about: Do you have a male worthy of this female?

Date :
Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT)

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HEy Dallas,
I hope you understand but I think I'm gonna keep
her for a bit to see if she's gravid. My Jungle male I
had in with an albino female that just died for no
apparant reason (I know think it was murder) I then
put him in with Big Mamma and she dropped 41 slugs and
one baby that died within 24 hrs. I also had him in
with the peach phase before someone broke in and
murdered him. As soon as I do sell her I'll get you
back your money or I can give you a credit towards
another purchase. I have a litter of pastel stripes
that you might like. Let me know.


i then emailed steve recently trying to get a reply from him. i responded to an add he had on kingsnake wanting to trade his truck for animals?!

From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
[email protected]

Subject :
Re: Message about: CHEVY BLAZER TO TRADE FOR BOA OR PYTHONS

Date :
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:47:12 -0700 (PDT)

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Hey Dallas,
I posted this add for a friend, nkreptiles.com.
As far as your 300.00 goes I don't have it to give
back to you. I've seen you post for numerous animals.
Send me the remaining 300.00, i'll send you your animal.



--- [email protected] wrote:
> Steve, if you have time to post this add then you
> have time to email me. Please do.
>
> Dallas Quarles
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> This message was sent by an unregistered or non
> logged in user.
>
> Sent 03:10 PM, Apr 29th, 2003 from I.P. Address
> 65.234.249.42
>


Well, like an idiot i sent him the cash just hoping you would send the friggin thing, he has not. This was last tuesday, it would not be a big deal except he gave me the impression that the animal was going out delta dash asap.

From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
Dallas Quarles <[email protected]>

Subject :
Re: 6ft peach phase columbian

Date :
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:15:50 -0700 (PDT)

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Hey partner,
I'm glad we're on the same wavelegth. If paypal
comes tonight I'll check with the airlines tommorow. I
can send her then if I'm paid. Didn't mean to bust
your balls.
'


--- Dallas Quarles <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey my man,
> I will go send you the $330 by papal now. If you
> can send her tomorrow,
> wednesday, go for it. I have had a few animals come
> in recently, One from
> north caroline and one from virgia. Both went to
> cincinatti and then here to
> Maine. The Bangor International Airport is right
> next to me, in Bangor,
> Maine. Check out the flight times for tomorrow or
> whatever day you would
> like to do this week. If you decide to do it
> tomorrow though, i think the
> flight leaves pretty early in the morning, so if you
> want to wait till
> thursday, that is fine to man. Let me know.
> Thanks,
> Dallas
>
>
> >
> >Hey Partner,
> > The last shipment of Delta Dash cost about
> >67.50. #### send me $330.00 and I'll send her next
> >delta dash.


From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
Dallas Quarles <[email protected]>

Subject :
Re: 6ft peach phase columbian

Date :
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT)

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#### man thats quick,
I'll check first thing in the am about a flight
and get back to you. I won't move the money from
paypal to my account till the animal is on the way.
Nothing but love for ya., lol



--- Dallas Quarles <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey my man,
> I will go send you the $330 by papal now. If you
> can send her tomorrow,
> wednesday, go for it. I have had a few animals come
> in recently, One from
> north caroline and one from virgia. Both went to
> cincinatti and then here to
> Maine. The Bangor International Airport is right
> next to me, in Bangor,
> Maine. Check out the flight times for tomorrow or
> whatever day you would
> like to do this week. If you decide to do it
> tomorrow though, i think the
> flight leaves pretty early in the morning, so if you
> want to wait till
> thursday, that is fine to man. Let me know.
> Thanks,
> Dallas

From :
Steve Ori <[email protected]>

To :
Dallas Quarles <[email protected]>

Subject :
Re: 6ft peach phase columbian

Date :
Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:49 -0700 (PDT)

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As you request bro. I'll be in touch.




--- Dallas Quarles <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Steve,
> That is fine. If you do it tomorrow then email me
> the bill number, time
> left and expected time arrival. If not, then
> thursday is fine also. Email me
> with the info if you send it out. I will be awaiting
> your email. Put two
> heat packs in, one underneath the animal under
> newspaper and one on the side
> or on top. it is still a little chilly here in
> maine. Thanks bro..
>
> Dallas
>
>
> >
> >#### man thats quick,
> > I'll check first thing in the am about a
> flight
> >and get back to you. I won't move the money from
> >paypal to my account till the animal is on the way.
> >Nothing but love for ya., lol
> >

And that is it, i have not heard anything back from him since tuesday despite nurmerous emails. The first half of the money, i sent USPS though so i am gonna go to the PO monday and file a complaint, it is MAIL FRAUD to do what he is doing.

There was way to much to read but i hope someone is having better luch then i am with this guy. Excuse the bad display of postings but i am not that great with a computer.

Dallas Quarles

 

[Casey Hulse]

Kingsnake?

Make sure you file a complaint with Kingsnake, the sooner this jerk is gone the herp community, the better for all of us.

Just as a side note, I inquired of Steve Ori a while ago because he had a male"double het for snow boa" for sale. He said it was produced by D***** W****. I know that this gentleman was selling possible double hets last yr, as the male sire only looked like a snow boa, but was not proven and no history of the snake was available, and now Steve is selling his a definate double.

 

[Greg Riso]

Sorry to hear about your predicament Dallas. The whole thing sounds rediculous to me. He guarantees his animals 100% even if you don't like their appearance but you have to RECEIVE the animal before you can decide that. You agreed to buy the peach phase but then he decided he wanted to keep it after the fact because it may be gravid? If you contracted to buy it in my opinion it's your animal gravid or not. That thing about someone murdering his male breeder sounds kind of hokey too. Someone breaks in to murder an animal and didn't steal or harm any of the others? That's a first. Sounds like they made a big mistake and murdered the wrong snake. If you ever do get the animal sent to you I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a refund if you don't like it. Finally, isn't it against KIngsnake's rules to post an animal or item for someone else? I hope you receive your animal soon and it is what you expected. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[HerpVenue]

Hey Dallas,
If you have his number...you might want to give him a call.
The last classified he has on Kingsnake was 4/29/03
The last post he has on here was 4/29/03
The last time he visited this place was 4/30/03 (to prevent his name from showing up on that little list thing)

A report to his e-mail and internet provider were filed on 4/29/03

Anyway...he might still have his e-mail provider.
But he might have no way to check it because he may have lost his internet service provider.

I am not sure yet though. I will try and find out for you.

Just as a side note, I inquired of Steve Ori a while ago because he had a male"double het for snow boa" for sale. He said it was produced by D***** W****. I know that this gentleman was selling possible double hets last yr, as the male sire only looked like a snow boa, but was not proven and no history of the snake was available, and now Steve is selling his a definate double.

If "DW" fails to prove out his snow boa look alike...Then this is truly misrepresentation. If "DW" does prove his snow boa look alike....The Steve got lucky.

 

[dqreps]

Yeah, the whole thing is ubsurd. Something is up with him to make him want to take this chance of jeopardizing his reptile sales indefinatly in the future. From what i hear, he owes a large debt to some people that were not very happy with him. And they were not in the herp biz. Just what i heard. Of course, i heard this AFTER my intitial downpayment.
Casey - Believe me, i plan on filing a few complaints, including one to Kingsnake.
Greg - You are right about the gurantee, 100% satisfaction and i think this is meant as a lure possibly because when people see the words "gurantee" it seems to instill a lot of faith in them for the person they may be dealing with. And he throws out big names as if he actually has any refs which are only people he has bought from, not sold to. Yeah, gravid or not, if i purchased her, she should be mine. You are also correct about selling any animal or anything for that matter (i would believe) on kingsnake for someone other than yourself. This is supposed to be the rule but does not seem to get inforced.
Ritchie - Let me know if you find out anything. It would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Dallas Quarles

 

[The BoidSmith]

Business is probably not going that bad if he can spare his car in order to invest the money in buying more snakes.

Posted by A Forgotten Realm (Contact Me!) on April 29, 2003 at 10:51:07
I have a 1995 chevy blazer, fully loaded, leather, power everything, black with towing package. value of $8,000.00. Will trade for quality boas and or pythons of equal value. Email for pics and tell me what you've got.
Sincerely,
Steve Ori
A Forgotten Realm

 

[dqreps]

Unless he can move the animals faster than he can his crumby blazer. Also, he said it was a freinds vehicle anyway. Not that i believe this.

Dallas Quarles

 

[dqreps]

UPDATE...

I would like to let everyone know that i just talked to Steve Ori by telephone. I asked him what was going on and he said he was in the process of being evicted at the moment and lost his internet conection for the time being but was working on it. I did not accuse him of anything because it kind of hit me that i really need to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he comes through. He explained to me that he was going through a really tough time and was gonna get my animal out asap. He is gonna send it delta dash and the airport is 45 minutes away he told me. Now, i am not happy that i had to wait and was left in the dark BUT i do know that if I was going through a tough time, i probably would not want everyone dissing me over the internet. I am only aiming this towards myself. I admit some things are sketchy but if he is telling the truth, then i can at least understand why he has not been answering emails lately without being able to get online. He told me he hadnt had time to get to the airport with all this stuff going on. He was very polite and i hope he comes through for me. Steve, if you end up reading this, please dont let me down and sorry if i DID make false accusations and jumped to conclusions. If you do as you say and send my animal then i will let the word out here just as i did when i thought i was being done wrong. Just done let me down because i am putting my faith in you but can only wait so long. I only made these posts because once i saw everyone else's i automatically assumed i was getting screwed also, if that is true in the first place, which i hope it is not. Please take care of biz and make things right with everyone.

Dallas Quarles

 

[The BoidSmith]

Drew and/or Dallas,

Any updates?

Regards.