Kristen.... I dont know what your problem is with me but you're doing a really great job of making yourself look very foolish. I contacted you via email to discuss and resolve this 'issue' - IF there even was one... I'm sure why you felt it necessary to bring it here, but now that you have, let's go ahead and play.
For one, I NEVER stated anywhere in my ad that Jeremy produced this pair - I stated that they were produced by a JS line type ll. (nice work there Kristen).
Thank you for posting the ad so all can see exactly what I wrote...
I'll cut right to it and post here the emails and messages I sent to you so everyone here can see my take and yours and come to their own conclusions about my intentions....
Here is the communication between kristen and myself - most recent first....
*my first message sent to kristen I cant copy and paste for some reason. Luckily kristen was kind enough to post it in one of her posts here*
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "byron de stouet" <
[email protected]>
Date: Mar 11, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Your fauna ad
To: "Kristen.Overton" <
[email protected]>
I see where you're coming from here.
For clarity sake, these are not Nic crosses and have no CA blood in
them at all. as I said earlier these anerys originated from the anery
Sonoran that Jeremy purchased from Booth and bred into his Columbians
- never to anything CA. This, I learned directly from Jeremy and is
not hearsay.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kristen.Overton
<
[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I understand this, but your statement of "producing snows and their weight
> in gold" is misleading and untrue. There is no account of the type 2 anery
> ever in this past decade successfully producing a snow type white snake in
> the kahl lineage. The only successful accounts are in the Nicaraguan t+. And
> Freek is the only one to have them right now.
> I understand genetics but even the double hets can not produce a white
> snake. This is why I made my comment. There are a ton of people out there
> that don't know this, they think they're getting a deal when in reality
> they're getting a pair of nic x columbian crosses that will produce type 2
> anery and kahl albinos that are mixed mutts, if you will. Then a handful of
> poss hets.
> This is not a stab at the quality, it's simply that the genetics are crossed
> and altered.
> If there was ever to be a successful breeding, Stone would have been the
> first to announce it.
> Ethically speaking, your ad is misleading and I'm sorry that you mistook my
> comment as shitty. But any of the big boys that were heavily invested in
> Stones blizzard project and lost that investment will agree. Whereas you may
> be entitled to call a white snake what you will, and some people
> "mistakenly call the sharp line moonglows, moonglows and not snowglows", Is
> Just an error of ignorance. Not stupidity but merely just not knowing. As a
> breeder like yourself, Im sure you're fully aware of this and the reason why
> I'm calling this out. To call something it isn't and advertise it will
> produce white snakes, what, in two years? What are you going to say to the
> person who blindly purchases them and realizes they won't produce white
> snakes? Is that their fault for not being educated on the genetic nature?
> Is it because dh blizzards won't sell because people know what they are from
> forums, but can't distinguish the difference between type 1 and type 2
> anery?
> I'm speaking on the behalf of those who are uneducated on this combination
> of genetics. It seems unfair to make a statement of a future of big money
> when this has yet to happen in the decade plus that the project genetics are
> began.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note® II
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: byron de stouet <
[email protected]>
> Date: 03/11/2013 5:28 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "Kristen.Overton" <
[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Your fauna ad
>
>
> Kristen.
>
> Being a breeder doesn't by any means automatically instill me with all
> the genetic knowledge to cover all the bases, and If I'm wrong I have
> no problem admitting it.
> As far as I know, blizzards are produced from axanthic het amel x
> axanthic het amel pairings....... Are type ll's considered axanthic -
> at least in the terms to produce blizzard boas...?
> The anerys in question - Stone line type ll's, are the closest I've
> ever seen to what would be axanthic - these are black and silver and
> dont ever 'brown out' as some anery lines do. These are not Central
> American either. I know Jeremy produces the CA type ll's but these are
> from his Black Magic line which are anery Sonoran Desert boas. That
> being said, I'm not aware - at least in naming, of any boas being call
> axanthic.
> I know first hand, as I'm sure you do as well, that genetic titles
> based on looks arent always accurate or true. I've produced many
> blizzards over the years - kingsnakes, ratsnakes, and bullsnakes -
> some more genetically questionable than others, but that's what
> they're called and if it fits the bill, I go with it.
>
>
> Help me understand what I'm missing here or are just not seeing....??
> I've only been working with boas for a handful of years and still have
> much to learn.
>
> byron.d
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Kristen.Overton
> <
[email protected]> wrote:
>> How about this, I will contact Jeremy Stone personally for you and have
>> him
>> verify that there is no such thing as a type 2 snow. They're called
>> blizzards and as a breeder you should know this. So yes you deserve to be
>> called out. If you have a problem with this, take it to Stone.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note® II
