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I am going to attempt to make a long story as short as possible.

Years ago Jeane - my mother used to breed and sell Rankins. She had adults that had coloring in them. It became a major discussion on Fauna that they were considered to not be "pure" Rankin, but generations before mixed with Bearded Dragon. Not because of those threads, but the outcome a few years later was that she sold all her Rankins, even the breeders. I will agree that someone somewhere down the lines cross species, and I now want pure rankins. So, I expect fully that some posters will say I got what I deserved, blah, blah, blah. The bottom line is no matter what you think of me, a business deal is a deal, and in this case, I didn't get what I paid for. Here is the link to the old "Pure Rankins" debate. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85500&page=8&pp=5&highlight=rankins

Now years later I aquired a female. (no color) that I gave to Jeane. I have been looking to purchase more for almost a year for her, posting wanted ads on KS. Calientedragons posted a KS ad selling Rankins with overhead photos of plain old tan rankins shown. Typical bow patterning. The seller said they were new from a UK bloodline.The ad is now gone.

"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping" http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51

I purchased the adult male, and one baby. When I recieved them I noticed a different head structure on the adult than any pure Rankin I have ever had.He appears to be a "Drankin". He has fatty side jowles on his neck and he is able to portrude his lover neck- just like how Bearded Dragons push out their beard. It is my understanding that Rankins dont have the cartiledge in their necks to be able to do this. My concern is that I have yet again aquired some "Drankins".

Several people I emailed agree with me about the physical differences.And I am unable to track the originating breeder. The UK connection she finally gave me simply "aquired" them, and no specifics as from where. Still there is also no parent pictures provided to me. Then AFTER all of this transpired, I found an ad here on Fauna for other babies, probably related to the one I got that are CLEARLY orange and advertised now as "OrangeXYellow ". The baby I got does not have color, but going on the previous years fauna war, it was decided that color means unpure bloodlines.

I dont want these 2 animals. Now after changing their minds several times she wants me to send them back at my expense, and also eat the shipping cost of recieving them. Roughly $100. If someone ordered a Crested from me and I shipped them a crested X Gargoyle crossing I would'nt expect them to eat any of the costs, even if I didn't know what I originally had was a crossing. Frankly I am quiet suprised that years ago we posted colored Rankin babies for sale and people went nuts on us, now colored rankins up for sale simply go unnoticed??????

At the bottom of the page on my website I am posting the first 2 pictures of my adult female. She looks like all the other Rankins I have had except no color. The 2nd 2 pictures are the male in question. The baby is 2 inches, so I am unable to tell yet, but supposedly from the same bloodlines as the adult male. http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/availabledragons.htm

All emails and photos are below. Calientedragons replies are in Italics. I will let you be the judge.

From: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:30 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

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> NOTE: This message was sent to you via the Kingsnake.com Classifieds. If you feel this message is fraudulent or abusive please forward it to [email protected].
> NOTE: DO NOT flag this message as SPAM/JUNK as your ability to receive legitimate messages from Kingsnake.com Classifieds may be compromised
> *************
>
> I am very interested in getting some rankins. Can you sex them yet? I would like a couple of females. Shipping to 99206 (business addy). Thanks, Jeane
>
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> Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
> location window) the URL below to view the ad that
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> http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51


On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 1:13 PM

Hi Jeane,

They are not sexed.. I can do $35 for overnight shipping in an insulated box...

Heidi :)

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:43 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

How much do they weigh?
Thanks, Jeane

On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 8:08 PM
They are about 4.5 inches and 5 grams Hatched 6/10/2009 and ready to ship next week...

I also have an adult proven male if interested, He is very mean though..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:56 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

How many do you have available?
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:08 AM

7 Babies that are old enough to go..


Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:44 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Ok, last questions :) Are the 7 all siblings? And can you give me a deal on all 7? And a quote on all 7 and the Adult male too.- Thanks
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 3:56 PM
Yes they are all from the same clutch, I can do $1225 for the 7 babies or $1375 for the 7 babies and the Adult..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:10 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Can you give me any details about the adult, age? You said he is mean, toward people or the female rankins? How much for just him shipped?
Thanks, Jeane

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:27 PM


I got him a little over a month ago, I was told he was about 1.5 years, looks about right.. He is just mean towards me, not other rankins, I have him housed with another male right now and they are fine, I have not put him with a female yet, He is just too mean to me, tries to bite me when I pick him up lol. $200 shipped

Let me know if you have any more questions..


here is a picture ( sorry I took it with my iphone)




From: Jeane Best
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:37 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

I want him for sure. Do you think you could try to sex any of the babies? I would really like a female if at all possible.
Thanks, Jeane

On Sat, 7/11/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:45 AM
I could do my best, but there is no way I could guarantee it, They are real small right now..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:27 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Okay, so give me a total for the two shipped. What type of payment do you want?
Thanks, Jeane

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 5:01 PM
Got your payment Thanks, Would you like me to ship on Monday for Tuesday delivery?

To:
XXXXXX N. XXXXX Rd. Spokane, WA 99212

Thanks,

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:30 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

Yes, that would be great. Please let me know which carrier and a tracking #.
Thanks, Jeane

On Mon, 7/13/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:06 AM

Fed Ex Priority Overnight tracking number XXXXXXXXXXXX

Someone needs to be there to sign for the box,

Please let me know when they get there safe

Thanks!

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:43 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

My rankins came this morning. Both are fine, however the male is definetly not pure rankin. Rankins do not have the cartlidge in there lower jaw like regular bearded dragons. The male you sent has the cartlidge, so he's mixed with a bearded dragon.

If you get this e-mail more than once, I was having internet issues.
Thanks, Jeane

On Tue, 7/14/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
Wow that stinks! I really looked him over when I got him and he looked pure to me! But you never know these days!

Can you please educate me and explain? Can you send a picture of what your referring to? I would like to compare with the rest of my clan..

Thanks,
Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:07 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!


I'll take some pics tonight. The camera is at the shop. Basically he has a bulging beard (jowels) like a bearded dragon. Rankins have no way of pooching their necks out. It is flat all the time.
Thanks, Jeane

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2009 2:17 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

ok heres 2 pics of yours, and 2 pics of ours. You will see the difference in how yours has jowels that protrude out the side of the neck, and cartiledge below that makes a beard.
Thanks, Jeane

On Thu, 7/16/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:

From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:44 PM

Interesting....
You know this may sound funny but I tracked sown where the previous owner got him and they are looking for the emails but thought it may be you guys lol...

I am very sorry if indeed he is not pure, I had no intention or knowledge of that... If you would like to send him back I will refund your money...
How is the little girl doing? Don’t worry about her, I know for sure she is pure..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2009 3:56 PM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!


Well, the bad news is the baby already has jowles, so it cant be pure, someone within 5 generations crossed these with beardies. It takes at least 5 generations to get it back out. If I had to guess these are 3-4 year generations.
I can ship them back for a refund, or if you want to work something out at a discount I will sell them at the shop as "Drankins", save them the stress of more shipping.
Let me know what you want to do.
Thanks, Jeane

: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:57 PM
From:
"www.calientedragons.com" <[email protected]>
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
After further inspection of all the Rankins here, they all have a little a beard or Jowles, even the ones I have had for years... I cant possibly believe that they are all hybrids..
If you were so sure of what to look for then why wouldn’t you ask for pictures? I am sorry I will have to take back my offer to take them back, My husband pointed out that we do not need to take that risk, when we were not dis-honest in any way...
If they do have some pogona passed in from 3-4 generations there is no way for you to possibly know that so how could you accuse!
I am sorry but you got what was advertised, and in no way did I miss-lead you..

Heidi

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2009 1:52 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!


The previous e-mails were sent by my daughter on my behalf. She wasn't accusing you of doing the crossing. I had contacted you before when you had some rankins for sale and you told me that you had breeding stock from Europe. I thought that was the person that possible did the crossing and didn't tell you.

I haven't had any rankins for several years. I only had one crossing that produced 3 babies and I know where all of them are. They were all placed with friends at work, so this little male can't be from me.

Could you please send pics of the babies parents? I would like to send the little male back as I can't use him to breed to my female.
Thanks, Jeane

From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM
To: www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!

I posted on several boards and I emailed several people and sent and photos that deal in Rankins. Also a photo of the 3 colored babies you had for sale on Fauna. It was the general opinion of everyone that they are not pure rankins. Due to the neck of the adult, and the orange on the babies. Rankins do not have coloring.
I never recieved parent pictures and you seem unwilling to disclose your "UK" source for me to contact about their bloodlines.
I am sorry, but I did not get "Rankins" for Uk bloodlines, as advertised.They are not 100% Rankins. I am going to ship these back out to you on Monday, you will recieve them Tue by 10:30. Please refund $400 to the paypal account I sent it from [email protected]
Thank you so much for your understanding.
Thanks, Jeane

To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, July 18, 2009, 10:22 PM
Iwill refund you money minus my shipping cost.. You never asked where I imported them, They were imported through Josh of Phantom Dragon and his connections..
Please disclose where you posted on the boards so I can read them..

Thanks,
Heidi

THIS IS OUR ADULT FEMALE WE HAVE HAD http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/ours1[1].jpg

THIS IS OUR ADULT FEMALE WE HAVE HAD http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/ours2[1].jpg

PHOTO SHE SENT ME VIA EMAIL OF THE ADULT MALE http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/untitled.jpg

ADULT MALE SHE SENT ME- I TOOK PHOTOS http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/yours1[1].jpg

ADULT MALE SHE SENT ME- I TOOK PHOTOS http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/yours2[1].jpg

BABIES THAT I FOUND SHE LISTED AFTER I RECIEVED MINE http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/available dragons/Rankinsbabies.jpg
 
I found some good info and photos on dragon huts website. She has pure rankins, as well as one she believes is a hybrid.She also has a sub adult male for sale, as comparison phots you see a clearly different head/neck structure on hers compared to the male i got from Calientedragons.

"Meadow was sold to me as a pure Rankin's Dragon I am unsure of her exact background. She has the typical Rankin's patterning but does not look like the others and is a bit bigger although not by much. Although her previous owner claimed she was never bred, she came to me gravid and had a clutch last year but since then I have decided to not breed her due to the fact that there is limited availability of Rankin's in the US and she may be a hybrid, possibly a vitticeps. She not currently breeding but is a sweet and beloved pet."

PICTURE OF MEADOW- THE POSSIBLE HYBRID http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/228620.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/5201716.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/6368753.jpg

AN ADULT MALE FOR SALE AT DRAGON HUT http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/1071492.jpg

PURE RANKIN BABIES- NOTICE NO COLOR http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/4848220.jpg

PURE RANKIN BABIES- NOTICE NO COLOR http://www.thedragonhut.com/uploads/1/8/5/7/1857743/5735290.jpg
 
I have to say i think you are handling this in a bad way. She had no way of knowing that rankins full background 4-5 generations back. Nor would most other people be able to tell you. Dragons do not have a pedigree like with dogs where you can trace their ancestry. You should have asked for as many pictures as possible and done your research prior to purchasing. I do not think posting on this and other forums to try and make calientedragons look bad is immoral. You know that she did nothing wrong and from a business standpoint she is in the right. And when it is a refund due to you just being unhappy with the animal (aka not from illness or deformities) then of course shipping would not be refunded.
 
Wow this is a first! I have been nothing but polite to you, and tried to be as understanding as I could! Against my husbands wishes, I offered a refund because I was bummed you were unhappy with them!

You were send RANKIN'S and that’s what you got, you got what was advertised! I am sickened by how rude you are and the lies, maybe its because I spoke with you mother on the phone but at least get your stories straight! How can you sleep with yourself at night!

I did not email you pictures yet, I have been busy with Church stuff, Boy scouts, errands, I cant just drop everything and shoot photos etc..

This has just ruined my weekend thank you! here is another thread for your reading!

http://www.beardeddragon.org/bjive/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=109945&p=862155&hilit=rankins#p862155

You two can go ahead and try to make me look bad, but I stand by decision 100% to now NOT OFFER ANY REFUND! OR DISCOUNT! What I sent you are Rankins and no I would not call them Drankins, and I am sorry you feel differently, but you got exactly what was offered!

I really wish I recorded our phone conversation!

Heidi
 
Dont worry heidi anyone that looks at this and looks at what was for sale will know that nothing was missrepresented in your sale ad. You are a great seller and it is obvious that this is just someone that is not going to be happy and feels the need to slander your name over something that is more than likely a mistake on the buyers part. We all know that no 2 dragons are the same. But alas it is on the BOI now and there is nothing to be done to get rid of it. Hopefully more people can see the big picture on this situation then just go straight to believing the OP cause it is false to say that you tried to trick her. I remember the ad there were photos depicting what was for sale as well as a detailed description and your contact info. She admits to having talked with you at length before purchasing. So there is no room for it to be said that you did anything wrong.
 
I have given you ample time to rectify this situation and you cant decide, so I will decide for you. This is now the 3rd time you have changed your mind in writting about a refund. The animals WILL be returned monday and the paypal will be disputed.
As I said before no one had any reason to believe you didnt have full blooded rankins. You boasted how they were new clean bloodlines to the US totally unrelated to anything here. Why would I assume differently and suspect foul play before hand.
I still stand behind what I have said.
#1 They are not PURE Rankins.
#2 I do not think you did the cross breeding.
#3 I do not think you knew they are hybrids when you were selling them.
The fact still remains that you have been made aware now. And, we did not get what we paid for. I never said you where a bad person, or doing something shady, ect. But, the way you are handling our refund is UNPROFESSIONAL.
 
Also, claiming I am lieing about something simply isnt true. ALL the text from every email is posted above in FULL! The FULL conversation is there for anyone to see and base their judgement on. I havn't lied about anything.
 
Wendy did you look at any pictures of the dragons you were going to purchase?

Heidi I wouldn't let this ruin your weekend. You are a good person and stand behind your dragons.
 
How about photos from:
1) the original ad
2) the dragons you received from Caliente
3) your pure Rankin(s)
 
I just want to clarify something from your above statement. I do not state 'pure' Rankin's Dragons on any of my breeders or the Rankin's Dragons that I have for sale. There has been some hybridization of Rankin's in the US and unfortunately some individuals have not been honest about this when selling in the past which can be a problem for others not wishing to purchase hybrids. I only know the lineage that has been told to me at the time of purchase of any of my current breeders. This is the lineage I pass on to customers as honestly as possible. If I do not have lineage then that is passed onto the customer as well (in which case no lineage is given). I do not know for a fact that just b/c my breeders do not display color that they are pure. I do not know for sure that slight coloration at the time of hatching that later disappears makes them impure either.
 
I would like to clarify something as well. My request #3 from my previous post for a photo of "your pure Rankin(s)" was directed toward Wendy who stated she already has a pure Rankin female. I know she has two photos on her website, but they are not full body shots.

Also, several of the links Wendy posted for photos (the "ours" and "yours") apparently don't work, at least for me.
 
calientedragons said:
You were send RANKIN'S and that’s what you got, you got what was advertised!

Heidi
Click to expand...

Maybe not, the likelyhood of rankins being crossed with pogona vitticeps is extremely high.

Whether you knew it or not its still a strong possiblity.


You got what I advertised, I sent you two RANKINS! You can argue all you want but in no way did I miss-lead you. If in fact they have bearded dragon lines in generations down the line, It is impossible to know that.
Click to expand...

Your post on bearded dragon.org seems to lead us to believe you think its possible that your rankins are not 100% pure? its a safe bet they are not.
 
I am going to attempt to reply to everyone in one post. I need to clarify one thing. I think my baby is related to the babies with color that she posted for sale on Fauna. I do not think the baby is related to the adult male I got. I do however have concerns about both "rankins" she sold me. The adult, because he has cartiledge in his neck that rankins dont have, and the baby because I believe it's siblings look hybrid.

Spyder- To compare reptiles to dogs in dealing with paperwork is insane. We have bloodline documents, breeder pics, owners names, numbers, emails for some of our dragons that extends 10 years backwards of bloodline history. There are dragon breeders who have even longer documentation. And, I know some snake breeders who would take seriuos offense to what youve said. Snake breeders are VERY serious about bloodlines and paperwork. Being organized, caring about the bloodlines, and preventing inbreeding is easy to do, IF YOU CARE.

Dragonhut- You had good info and photos on your site. People seem shocked at the likelyhood that their are hybrids made. I had no intention of dragging you in the coversation. Based on the photos on your site it appears you have 100% rankins, and are in fact selling one. Thats all.

Laura B,- the photos and the Kingsnake ad we purchased from are "expired", she no longer has them listed for sale. I did include the text from the ad, which was in my kingsnake email reply. Sorry thats all I have. "Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping" http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51

I have brought all 3 "Rankins" here to the shop where the camera is to take photos. My female I had, the male and baby she sent. I will do that now and ad a page to our site to upload and then post the link here in a few.

I have spoke at length to 1/2 of the purchasing entity of the "Rankins" and here is the story. A guy and another financial partner purchased the rankins from someone in the UK that got them from someone, that someone only has a first name and a know location as the "UK".So lets call him "John Doe". John Doe sold a big group of rankins to a dealer who imported them to the US to 2 guys who then sold some of them to Caliente. No one has any info on "John Dos" Rankins. Where he got them, if he breed them, if they are hybrids, or if they are REALLY unrelated to the U.S. bloodlines. The seller to Caliente has asked he not be posted here and I respect that. Although he and I disagree on hybids...........he doesnt think hybrids can be breed or continue breeding for generations. I know that first hand to be untrue. He did agree though that "there is some "genetic junk" floating around with these guys from years of breeding from a small gene pool".


The bottom line is that there is no way of verifying even the breeders of these "Rankins" and there is no way of verifying that they are unrelated to the U.S. stock. I was not sold what was advertised.
 
Ok, to make a few things VERY clear

#1 I do not think Caliente Dragons are bad people as people.
#2 I do not think Caliente Dragons did the cross breeding to crate hybrids.
#3 I do not think Caliente Dragons knew they were selling hybrids.

What I do think is.........

#1 I do not think either of these "Rankins" are pure blood.
#2 I do think that they were listed incorrectly as being "unrelated to any U.S. bloodlines" there is NO documentation of that.

As I have said, I had no prior reason to think Caliente Dragons didn't know what they were talking about. The overhead shot of the male she sent me appeared to be all rankin. Odviously I didnt see the cartiledge in his neck in that photo, and had no reason to suspect otherwise. I also did NOT see photos of colored babies, had i seen either of these things I would not have made the purchase.

Here is a link to all the photos. http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityreptiles/fauna.htm
 
Caliente Dragons- you are the one who offered us a refund if we sent them back. Then you followed that by an email saying you wouldnt refund, then on the phone you said you would refund, now I get another email saying you wont. My dispute was with you not refunding shipping costs. Now you have changed your mind 4 times. This is rediculous. I am sending them back tommorrow AS AGREED, and you will refund me or I will dispute it. You have no posted terms of service on your website or your ads so you have no recourse. I did not get sold what was advertised, if you are so confident in what you have, it shouldnt be a problem reselling them to someone else.

EMAIL I JUST RECIEVED.

On Sun, 7/19/09, www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]> wrote:


From: www.calientedragons.com <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:46 AM


Don’t bother sending them back, you will NOT get a refund!

Heidi
 
The one thing that i can say is 100% true as an outsider on this deal is that if she mails those back to you and disputes the charges you will have no way of winning the arguement as there is nothing listed on your site stating "no refunds" or "refunds available minus the cost of shipping"
Do i think the purchaser is handling this correctly no but you are kinda stuck with having to let the money go when the dispute is raised via paypal due to lack of written info on your site concerning refunds.
 
OK so I guess there would be no way to prove that they are "Pure" there is probably no "Pure" Rankin's. I don't know anyone who does DNA testing. I have also never DNA tested any bearded dragon. Nor have I or anyone I know been to Australia and brought any animals back.

I also never advertised them as "Pure DNA tested" Rankin's, just new imported bloodlines.

Here is the add you responded on

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=51&de=699656

that is the exact add I just re posted it..

Why would you purchase them with out asking any background or for photos if it is all that important?

Look at the pictures, you would not call them Rankin's?

Should everyone in the past who bought Rankin's off you get a refund for assuming they were "Pure".

Yes I did agree to give you a refund because you were unhappy with them, even though I sent what I told you I was sending, but do you honestly think I still should after all you have done? You wanted a discount so that you could re-sell them at your store?

I am not in the practice of returning animals into my home after they have left. I don not know what you have done to them. Should I really take that chance? I warranty HEALTH, and would refund or replace any unhealthy animal within 7 days. READ THE TERMS on the web-store. http://www.shopcalientedragons.com

You can go on and on about this, but I really don’t care, waste your time all you want, I have worked hard to make my customers happy, even tried with you. If any one has any questions, please feel free to email me directly.
 
i wasnt looking at the top lol i was looking on your main site and the sides. The policy statement on your site is very straight forward. And shows that you are in your right to deny refund.
 
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