Bad Guy Calientedragons - Rankin Dragons

[Zack319]

(nor do i think you deserve a full refund but anyway)

Explain...

 

[spyder79]

read the entire thread i do not feel the need to reiterate my feelings when they are throughout this thread.

 

[Zack319]

read the entire thread i do not feel the need to reiterate my feelings when they are throughout this thread.

I have read the entire thread, your logic doesn't make sense.

Calientedragons, sold animals to Wendy and her Mother with certain genetics, which were described in the thread.
When Wendy found out the Dragons were not pure rankins, and found out that Calientedragons couldn't back up they're very bold description of the Animals, she asked for a refund.

Calientedragons offered a refund, and decided to renege on that offer, after seeing this thread.

The bottom line is, Calientedragons lied about what they were selling, and a full refund is entitled , including shipping.

Any other store, and where in the US would refund the items, including shipping given the circumstances.

Wendy's out $400+ , when Calientedragons, is up $400+ and still has the Drankins in their possession.

So, how could you possibly not think a full refund is in order?

 

[spyder79]

wendy has no more proof of these animals not being full blooded rankins than heidi does of them being full blooded. Not to mention Wendy's complete disregard for the animals safety by mailing them when heidi specifically told her not to (so she knew noone would be home), her hard handed tactics by thinking that posting on the boi would be able to force heidi into giving a refund. All this added together says to me that heidi should cut her losses and not send any money.

On a side note, as i said before, if wendy has some "ultimate" trump card to getting her money back then why in the hell has she not used it yet. I dont buy the hole "i want to give them a chance to do the right thing" deal. She is just trying to say she can do something she cant. Honestly with her stating she can get her money back whenever she wants through her bank, in my opinoin, would make me (if in heidi's position) not send anything back and just let wendy go through the trouble of having her bank recall it, that is if they can. I think that wendy has used far to many strong arm tactics in this thread to be able to even hope for a civil outcome. So it is now on her, if she can get her money back via her bank than that is the only way it will happen.

 

[RavenJander]

wendy has no more proof of these animals not being full blooded rankins than heidi does of them being full blooded. Not to mention Wendy's complete disregard for the animals safety by mailing them when heidi specifically told her not to (so she knew noone would be home), her hard handed tactics by thinking that posting on the boi would be able to force heidi into giving a refund. All this added together says to me that heidi should cut her losses and not send any money.

Thats what I am saying. The start of this thread had emails Wendy posted saying that she wanted her money back for the adult male. It also shows that Heidi agreed to the return/refund of the adult male with the purchase cost, but not shipping. That is standard for most breeders. Almost everyones TOS states that shipping is the responsibility of the purchaser. That agreement was not good enough for Wendy so she took it to the BOI. That was wrong of her to claim Heidi as a "Bad Guy" because Wendy was not happy about the deal. After Wendy started this and labeled Heidi as a Bad Guy, she wanted a full refund for both dragons with shipping. Everyone keeps calling them Drankins, but there is no proof to say they are not Rankins, Heidi did not mislabel them as "Pure Rankins", she labeled them as "New Imported Bloodlines to the US and Unrelated to US Lines." That hard to back up and they admitted that the wording may have been a bit strong, but never once did they say they were Pure Rankins in the ad. What kills me is everyone forgot that Wendy started this to force Heidi's hand. If this happened to someone else that person would be VERY UPSET!!! As I have said before, I have one of these babies and one from another breeder and they are as far as appearances the same. My Rankins from Dynamite does indeed thrust her throat in and out a bit, and from others I have talked to it is normal when stressed. They just don't have full beards and are smoother and not as spikey as a bearded. With the importers information (which I have looked into) the baby was full Rankins for atleast the last 4 generations. The adult Heidi sold Wendy was of unknown past, which Heidi did tell Wendy. So Heidi did not misrepresent the dragons. Further more "The term defamation of character is often used to describe accusations of slander, libel or both. Slander involves verbal derogatory statements, while libel involves written ones. In a court of law, the plaintiff pursuing the lawsuit would charge defamation of character to cover any form of false or damaging allegations." No one of you can prove that they are Drankins, and Heidi never stated the fact, so by saying they are you are making false and damaging allegation. So lets say this- Heidi gives Betty the agreed upon refund for the adult dragon without shipping then gets her self a lawyer. Then everyone wins. Heidi just did the agreed upon refund, so everyone stops whining, and Heidi gets the money back for this whole problem. Wendy should have taken the first offer.

 

[Hawk7]

wow, it is amazing this matter continues, 33 pages later into the thread. And no, I have not read it all. I read the beginning, some parts in the middle and the end here.

Calientedragons should refund the money minus the shipping costs. Certainly, it doesn't matter who said what, who did what to who, or who got their feelings hurt (all those things are irrelevant). The bottom line is for Calientedragons to keep both money & animals would be unjust enrichment. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who'd get what in a Court ruling. This is common sense.

There's no slander or any other cause of action here on anybody's part. It is a simple contract dispute. Unfortunately, Calientedragons holds all the cards here because she has both money & animals, & she stands to be unjustly enriched. This is because the logistics & problems associated with suing and then collecting from one State to another is not worth the trouble for only $400.

There is something valuable anyone wanting to purchase can take away from this thread: NEVER BUY FROM CALIENTEDRAGONS (HEIDI). She is petty and vindictive. She will screw you if she gets the chance. She has no ethics, and she is nobody you should consider buying animals. Isn't that what this BOI is all about? I can only conclude that she does not care about her reputation or the opinions of others. You can show her that in business, these qualities matter by not buying from her.

 

[spyder79]

: NEVER BUY FROM CALIENTEDRAGONS (HEIDI). She is petty and vindictive. She will screw you if she gets the chance. She has no ethics, and she is nobody you should consider buying animals. Isn't that what this BOI is all about?

you are quite wrong and far off base with this assesment. if you knew heidi and gary or had paid attention to this post you would know that you are incorrect with this assumption.

 

[lisasleos]

I rarely post on here, but after reading all of this, here is my 2 cents. I don't have to know Heidi, Gary, or Wendy Whatever, to know that becoming a thief to get back at someone you consider to be a thief, in the end, still makes you a thief. The true character/integrity of any company/individual isn't going to be found in how they handle the 99 sales that go off without a hitch, but in how they handle that 1 sale that doesn't go quite as planned. Had Heidi simply refunded the money like she originally said she would, to someone like me she would have been simply the victim of a difficult buyer, but after watching her and her husband go toe to toe in a tantrum throwing contest with the OP, I certainly would have no interest in ever doing business with either party.

 

[jayefbe]

you are quite wrong and far off base with this assesment. if you knew heidi and gary or had paid attention to this post you would know that you are incorrect with this assumption.

How is he quite wrong? Yeah, they may be perfectly great people to have as neighbors or friends, but certainly not someone anyone should send money to. In the end, it's their honesty and integrity when it comes to business that matters, and in this case they get a full blown F.

 

[bayoucityboas]

I may be off base here but wasn't the original sale decription non U.S. bloodline related. She didn't say pure rankins correct. didn't the buyer assume that meant pure rankins because apparently the U.S. bloodline are all tanted for a big part because of the buyer in the past selling and breeding this tanted bloodline. When in fact that just because they are Non u.s. related blood that they could still be tanting/crossing them over seas.
So If I read that correctly the seller did sell what was advertised. So exactly how is caliente thieves because they wont refund when they believe they sold what they were advertising.
Like I stated I may be wrong but I thought that was the original advertisement description.

 

[bayoucityboas]

"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping" http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51

this is the original post so to assume this meant pure rankins seems to be that the buyer was seeing something that isn't there because the don't pay attention.
Just like selling on EBAY I would see complaints when listing something never used. People would assume that it meant meant New. well If i had this item for years but never used it well it's not new is it just unused just like the advertisement stated not your depiction of it.

 

[rosebud945]

You have a point here about the original dispute. However, the seller now has both the dragons and the money. IMO, the seller should at least refund the cost of the animals.

 

[bayoucityboas]

You have a point here about the original dispute. However, the seller now has both the dragons and the money. IMO, the seller should at least refund the cost of the animals.

I understand she has the animals back but If they were sold like they were advertised and stand by it then why give the money back. If you go to a store and purchase an item then realize it's not what you wanted (not that it didn't work or wasn't as advertised) then many stores out there won't take the item back just give you store credit. Remember she did not ask for the animals back the buyer shipped them back without confirmation of recipient being there to recieve with total disregard for the animals lives.
Many people believe it or not sell things to make money I know what a concept so if a buyer decides hey I don't like these then why should a
seller say sure send them back. If every seller did this then there would be a world of hurt for these animals constantly being shipped back and forth.
So just becuase you get the animals back means you give the refund.
So when ever I recieve and animal and I decide i don't like or want it anymore then I just ship it back and ask for a refund because they got there animal back? That does not make sense nor is it common practice for any seller out there to do business like that.
I think many people here are losing site of the reason this post started and the actual fact behind it. Emotion has taken over and business practices have left the building.

 

[ReptileAddictions]

"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!" - Implies that they are pure rankins. The ad did not say "Bearded Dragon X Rankin Dragons".

If you order a "Jungle Python" you expect a jungle python, not a "Jungle python X Carpert Python".

Heidi agreed verbally upon return shipment on FRIDAY- for us to ship on monday. She was informed we would ship on monday. The shipping label was made on saturday. She was emailed on 3 sperate days the shipping information. I NEVER recieved any notification not to ship them. She was aware they would be there on Tuesday.

She agreed to a refund, and has not provided it. Gary has taken this to a whole new personal level outside this business dispute. More information is forthcoming.

 

[spyder79]

right you feel you are owed a refund and you know caliente isnt going to send a refund so since you state that you have the ability to force the refund than why dont you do it and get this overwith instead of continuing on this lil soap opera.

 

[chris allen]

You posted right in the beginning of this stupid thread that you knew she wasnt going to refund you? You sent the dragons anyway. How can you say now that there was no communication?
Am I missing something there?

 

[bayoucityboas]

"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!" - Implies that they are pure rankins. The ad did not say "Bearded Dragon X Rankin Dragons".

If you order a "Jungle Python" you expect a jungle python, not a "Jungle python X Carpert Python".

Heidi agreed verbally upon return shipment on FRIDAY- for us to ship on monday. She was informed we would ship on monday. The shipping label was made on saturday. She was emailed on 3 sperate days the shipping information. I NEVER recieved any notification not to ship them. She was aware they would be there on Tuesday.

She agreed to a refund, and has not provided it. Gary has taken this to a whole new personal level outside this business dispute. More information is forthcoming.

Implies AKA ASSume
And in the beginning ya'll did agree upon shipping but there was dispute before shipping and minds were changed yes so you there was no way for
you to know that she was still expecting them to be shipped especially when she told you that there would be no refund but you shipped any way. It is obvious that you think you did nothing wrong it is all there fault and there for no more talking with you is in order being you keep repeating your self. I am merely talking to others.
Can you please show us where dragons aka larsons without a doubt mean pure rankins.
As for your analogy if I were buying a jungle pythong I would not assume it was pure I would ask for lineage. Just remember the first 3 letters in assume.
Especially for someone who is such an expert to assume makes no sense.
Just like you assume you can finish this and get your money back.
You ASSume alot don't you.

 

[spyder79]

Implies AKA ASSume
And in the beginning ya'll did agree upon shipping but there was dispute before shipping and minds were changed yes so you there was no way for
you to know that she was still expecting them to be shipped especially when she told you that there would be no refund but you shipped any way. It is obvious that you think you did nothing wrong it is all there fault and there for no more talking with you is in order being you keep repeating your self. I am merely talking to others.
Can you please show us where dragons aka larsons without a doubt mean pure rankins.
As for your analogy if I were buying a jungle pythong I would not assume it was pure I would ask for lineage. Just remember the first 3 letters in assume.
Especially for someone who is such an expert to assume makes no sense.
Just like you assume you can finish this and get your money back.
You ASSume alot don't you.

i could not have said it better myself

 

[Zack319]

right you feel you are owed a refund and you know caliente isnt going to send a refund so since you state that you have the ability to force the refund than why dont you do it and get this overwith instead of continuing on this lil soap opera.

You ever think that just maybe, getting the money back other ways may be time consuming, and may even cost additional money in the long wrong?

I would rather just get refunded by the individual I purchased from, rather then having to take them to court, and pay Lawyer fee's and use up my personal time.

Rankins = Pure
Drankins = Hybrid

Pretty evident that Heidi and Gary were selling these as pure rankins, which is why they never made the defense, that it wasn't described in there add.

 

[Zack319]

long run*