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Bad Guy Calientedragons - Rankin Dragons

Zack319 said:
You ever think that just maybe, getting the money back other ways may be time consuming, and may even cost additional money in the long wrong?

I would rather just get refunded by the individual I purchased from, rather then having to take them to court, and pay Lawyer fee's and use up my personal time.

Rankins = Pure
Drankins = Hybrid

Pretty evident that Heidi and Gary were selling these as pure rankins, which is why they never made the defense, that it wasn't described in there add.
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and if you havent noticed heidi and gary will not be sending a refund. i find that pretty obvious. If she has this master fix all with her bank to get her money back it should have been done. i am merely calling her out on something i feel is a lie and just another tactic for her to try and bully people into doing what she wants.
 
So exactly how is caliente thieves because they wont refund when they believe they sold what they were advertising.
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Because they possess both the money and the animals. Do you lack basic common sense?

Spyder79:i am merely calling her out on something i feel is a lie and just another tactic for her to try and bully people into doing what she wants.
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What does your friends, Heidi/ Calientedragons, want? They want to keep both animals & money? What do you call their actions? It seems they are the ones who get what "they want." It is always the BULLY who tries to call someone else a bully. Do you sell anything Spyder79? If yes, what, so I can avoid you as well. I wouldn't do business with you as your judgment is in question here if you call this Heidi (and Keith?) friends. (I'm on here as a Buyer ONLY). They sound like two crooks to me. I am calling them out: THEY ARE THIEVES!
 
Some people just haven't been around the hobby long enough (or don't have much of a business rep themselves) to understand that sometimes even though you don't want to, the best thing to do is take a big bite outta that crap sandwich. But darn it, do the moral thing once in a while. If you have the animals back whether you wanted them back or not, is it really the right thing to hang onto the money too? It's not the buyer's responsibility to prove what the seller is selling something as, it's the seller's. Caliente admitted they couldn't know for sure if the dragons are pure, but are still hawking them as 100% pure. Without irrefutable proof that they are what they say they are, they shouldn't be selling them as such. It's like people selling fake hets for goodness' sake. They know they aren't real, but they hope no one notices long enough for them to pocket the cash.

It's about the ethics of it. Many potential buyers are seeing that when something goes down, they can't count on Caliente to do the right thing. Sorry, you're on your own! Is not something potential customers like to hear.
 
This thread is really getting old. There are no new arguments. I think the majority of the subscribers to this thread think that the cost of the animals should be refunded here. Yes, Wendy was wrong to send them back until an agreement was reached, and that behavior along with a few other things convinces me that I will never do business with her, but she did and Heidi and Gary have the dragons to resell. As for the idea that her behavior if rewarded with the refund could set a precedent, fix it in your TOS before you make your next sale if you are worried about it.

Gary and Heidi, while I sympathized with you in the beginning, the longer this goes on, the more you lose sympathy with me because your stand is not a mature one or an honest one. You are stooping to the level that you accuse Wendy of. Refund BETTY what she is rightfully due and let us all move on!
 
chris allen said:
You posted right in the beginning of this stupid thread that you knew she wasnt going to refund you? You sent the dragons anyway. How can you say now that there was no communication?
Am I missing something there?
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How this thread started is that she AGREED to accept the return, she AGREED to a refund. What she didn't agree to was the refund of the shipping.

What I paid for was $400 flat rate for 2 animals. There was no "shipping quote" added into that. I posted because I didn't think it was fair to take a $75 (?- guessing. It was $38 to return them) hit for shipping both ways.

The renigged on the deal AFTER they got the animals back.
 
"Rankin's or Lawson's Dragon
Pogona brevis or Pogona henrylawsoni "

The ad stated the common names of the 2 scientific names for Rankin dragons- depending on what area in Australia they originated from.
 
spokanelizardlady said:
"Rankin's or Lawson's Dragon
Pogona brevis or Pogona henrylawsoni "

The ad stated the common names of the 2 scientific names for Rankin dragons- depending on what area in Australia they originated from.
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Tell me wendy when you and your mother or inlaw were selling crossbreeds what were you calling them in the ads I'm sure it was rankins.
It's funny how Karma has come back to haunt you for the same thing you were once doing to others and to, were being talked about. as you stated in your first post.
Still seems that your are still pissy about your history and saw someone doing something along the same lines as you and want to try and save face or bring others down.
Out of curiosity how is that paypal claim working out?
 
Gary and Heidi have the money and the critters, and should give a refund. I do not see a lot of these other matters as being relevant.
 
lucille said:
Gary and Heidi have the money and the critters, and should give a refund. I do not see a lot of these other matters as being relevant.
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Then question for you lucille do you sell animals or any products for that matter.
If so a customer buys something from you then decides they don't want it and sends it back to you. now you have the product back and the money should you just give the money back?
There is a lot more relevent here then just they have the money and the critters.
 
Lucille another thing as far as giving me negative Karma and then stating you don't see how this is relevent to other buyers. You are BLIND this is extremely relevent to other buyers there is a business and lively hood at stake here. This may have been avoided by just asking questions in the beginning of this transaction now people are calling this caliente business
thieves well maam I served in the military and that is questioning of honor
which is absolutely detrimental for some. So with all this opinions going around
knocking on these peoples business without fact. Other then should they give the money back is ultimately opinion but Are they obligated no why because they did not blatenly lie about anything. Lucille I would not expect you to understand or see relevence here. Obviously you are quick to judge just for the fact that I am just pointing out one side as much as some of your feelings getting hurt Grow up. Negative karma for stating actuall facts and business practices.
 
bayoucityboas said:
"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping" http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51

this is the original post so to assume this meant pure rankins seems to be that the buyer was seeing something that isn't there because the don't pay attention.
Just like selling on EBAY I would see complaints when listing something never used. People would assume that it meant meant New. well If i had this item for years but never used it well it's not new is it just unused just like the advertisement stated not your depiction of it.
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Eddie, nice try...you almost put another spin on the situation to divert attention AWAY FROM Caliente.
Their ad stated "unrelated to any Current US bloodline"....THEY STILL CAN'T PROVE THESE DRAGONS ARE UNRELATED to "ANY US BLOODLINE". So no, there ad IS NOT correctly worded and is misleading. Selling animals as "unrelated to anything in the US" WITHOUT ANY PROOF of this information is dishonest and expecting their customers to prove/disprove this information is beyond ABSURD!!!!
 
wes smith said:
Eddie, nice try...you almost put another spin on the situation to divert attention AWAY FROM Caliente.
Their ad stated "unrelated to any Current US bloodline"....THEY STILL CAN'T PROVE THESE DRAGONS ARE UNRELATED to "ANY US BLOODLINE". So no, there ad IS NOT correctly worded and is misleading. Selling animals as "unrelated to anything in the US" WITHOUT ANY PROOF of this information is dishonest and expecting their customers to prove/disprove this information is beyond ABSURD!!!!
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Wes I agree it could be misleading and I stated that along time ago but,
the arguement was that they stated Pure Rankins and infact never stated that they just merely stated no us bloodline. lizardlady isn't mad of what there bloodline is she is mad because they are not pure rankins in which that
was not stated in the add.
I am not trying to turn the attention, I truely believe that caliente by not posting on here is buring themselves however it's obvious where both parties stand and unless you get legal action or a third party immediation involved this is going to go nowhere.
Sorry for sounding like I am on caliente side where I am not is it ethical what they are doing no. But I cant help to read the fine print and ask questions and read it again without assumption as come from a family of judges and lawyers.
 
bayoucityboas said:
Then question for you lucille do you sell animals or any products for that matter.
If so a customer buys something from you then decides they don't want it and sends it back to you. now you have the product back and the money should you just give the money back?
There is a lot more relevent here then just they have the money and the critters.
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When it's buyer's remorse that's one thing. But when the seller has misrepresented the animals then yes a full refund including shipping should be done immediately. As in, mis-sexed, wrong species, large difference in size as opposed to what was originally offered, etc.
 
bayoucityboas said:
Wes I agree it could be misleading and I stated that along time ago but,
the arguement was that they stated Pure Rankins and infact never stated that they just merely stated no us bloodline. lizardlady isn't mad of what there bloodline is she is mad because they are not pure rankins in which that
was not stated in the add.
I am not trying to turn the attention, I truely believe that caliente by not posting on here is buring themselves however it's obvious where both parties stand and unless you get legal action or a third party immediation involved this is going to go nowhere.
Sorry for sounding like I am on caliente side where I am not is it ethical what they are doing no. But I cant help to read the fine print and ask questions and read it again without assumption as come from a family of judges and lawyers.
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Fair enough Eddie.... I think we're all in agreement $400.00 could have ended this a LONG TIME AGO (on either end). Wendy has been put through the ringer in this thread ($400.00 worth....I don't know if I'd be willing to go through all the mud slung in this thread for $400.00, but that's my opinion) and Caliente has had several shots their way (again, $400.00 worth...not sure if having this thread up so long isn't worth $400.00 to resolve the issue). If either party pursues legal action (and fees associated with), well....$400.00 is probably going to start looking pretty good to both sides involved.
 
The fact that they are STILL selling these dragons as "Rankins, and unrelated" is the only relevance to the past page of arguments.

Whatever the reson for the return, HEIDI AGREED TO A RETURN AND REFUND!

I will/am proceeding with whatever actions are nessisary to get my money back. I have filed with the BBB, Kingsnake, Internet Fraud Division, and Riverside Sherrifs.

I can withstand any mudslinging that comes my way. Whatever anyone thinks of me PERSONALLY is of no concern to me. This is business, and I have kept it at that.
 
WOW.... I can't believe this is still going on. I don't understand why they can't/won't refund the money. Hang in there Wendy, I hope it turms out good for you. :thumbsup: Oh yeah I almost forgot to mention the genetics of the. They are advertised as "Rankins" not "Drankins" or "possibly not so pure but close enough to get someone to buy them Rankins that are probably not related to anything you can get your hands on in the US but I can't prove it so don't ask cause I'll get mad not give you a refund". But then again maybe I didn't read "Rankins" the way it was meant to be read.:shrug01:
 
spokanelizardlady said:
The fact that they are STILL selling these dragons as "Rankins, and unrelated" is the only relevance to the past page of arguments.

Whatever the reson for the return, HEIDI AGREED TO A RETURN AND REFUND!

I will/am proceeding with whatever actions are nessisary to get my money back. I have filed with the BBB, Kingsnake, Internet Fraud Division, and Riverside Sherrifs.

I can withstand any mudslinging that comes my way. Whatever anyone thinks of me PERSONALLY is of no concern to me. This is business, and I have kept it at that.
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I can't believe they are still being dishonest in their ads. Reptiles should be held to higher standards. Just wait, in the near future nobody will be able to find a pure anything if seller's can get away with this.
 
Thats just it no one has proven that they are not pure. It is pure hear say that these Rankins are not pure rankins. Everyone has jumped on this bandwagon with wendy saying that oh oh oh they are vitticeps/lawsoni hybrids.
Has anyone proven this? From what i have read the genetics on these were able to be traced 4 generations back and have not been crossed. That would lead me to believe that they are infact Lawsons/Rankins dragons and not a hybrid.
 
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