Inquiry Captive Born reptiles [columbus ohio]

[Iguana-Love_Rescue]

I know there has been older post regarding this place & cannot find a search? Option? So has anyone has any recent bad / good experience there?

 

[Gemf]

Here is the older thread.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84974&highlight=Captive+Born+Reptiles

I haven't been back to CBR in over 2 years and am in no hurry to go back.

 

[Honda99_300ex]

dont waste your time...They mean well, and are nice people, but I will never go back there. sometimes I go just to have a laugh at their prices also. I had a perfectly healthy boa a year ago that ate like clockwork, and I bought a feeder from them(in a pinch) and he was dead two or three days later. that sealed the deal for me. what are you looking at there? I am near columbus and know a lot of local breeders and such.

 

[bullies&balls]

Anytime I have walked in their store at old and new locations it was the same story. SUPER high price, overcrowded cages, STENCH, filth, dirty cages and so on and so on.

 

[Honda99_300ex]

ya, I didn;t mention the filthy cages and living conditions of the animals...you'd have to see it for yourself. whats funny is he claims the "smell" is from the rodents he breeds...BS

 

[Iguana-Love_Rescue]

Oh, I am not looking for anything from there, I just had another rescue friend contact me last night asking about the place. Guess they had a snake surrendered to them from His place and its in bad shape from the sound of it. I gave them the link to the forum here, so maybe they will post up some Pic's and more details.

I plan on making a trip up there as soon as i can, to see for myself how bad it is. If its as bad as it sounds ugh.. I don't know how I will react =(

Whomever mentioned the rats from there, I have heard that as well. Scary stuff.

I breed feeder rats and had thought about getting some new lines from him, but I saw his prices and have heard the Horror stories, My colony is healthy & I'd like to keep it that way.

 

[Iguana-Love_Rescue]

ya, I didn;t mention the filthy cages and living conditions of the animals...you'd have to see it for yourself. whats funny is he claims the "smell" is from the rodents he breeds...BS

I've been there in the past 5 yrs ago? Longer? I moved here in 06 and went there shortly after moving here and still can remember the smell. Death , and filth [snake Poo] [Alligator Poo] not rodent smell =[

 

[bloodlustindulgence]

i stopped there after an expo last month. it was ok but their stock was low. it didn't smell that i recall and the prices were high compared to expo prices but they were cheaper than any pet store in my area so the quality of the store will probably depend on what you have to choose from at home. if you think they have high prices you should see them where i live. you MIGHT find baby normal BP for 90$ a piece... if you're lucky.

 

[Iguana-Love_Rescue]

We are going there Tomorrow with a few friends. Will post a update. I can take and Post Pic's as well.

 

[Honda99_300ex]

We are going there Tomorrow with a few friends. Will post a update. I can take and Post Pic's as well.

which store are you going to? there is one off morse rd. and then one on the east side, off of Refugee rd.

 

[Honda99_300ex]

take the trip??

 

[Rewpew]

I have actually been in there a few times in the past month, before becoming a member here and haven't noticed the smell or any clearly unhealthy animals. The cages do seem to be small and crowded for a lot of the animals and their on hand stock isn't great. I'm sad reading about this because I thought I had a great resource nearby (the Morse road store). I purchased a normal BP from them, my first snake, and he seems to be doing very well, feeding on f/t more easily than I have heard they are supposed to. Has anyone else seen anything recently?

 

[KatPause]

I have been to the Morse road store a few times, twice to pick up crickets for our bearded dragon that we purchased there in early July. Had I been on this fourm a week ago and read the bad stories I would have said I didn't believe them.

Since then, our bearded dragon has been diagnosed with MBD. We followed the store's instructions and used what they gave us, having been told they would provide everything we need for proper care of our new pet. Our baby dragon had been doing wonderful, until Saturday morning when he wouldn't even lift his head. I checked into it and found a vet that will handle reptiles and has experience with them. They kept our little guy for 3 nights giving him calcium injections and treating him. We brought him home (still very weak) yesterday, giving him supplements and hand feeding him with a syringe.

Because he came from who I assumed was a reputible breeder of reptiles, I contacted Terry by email, just to let him know what had happened and to see if it was his employee that had told us wrong care instructions. This is our email correspondence to date:

The major problem that you are having is a common one, talking to anyone but us about your bearded dragons care. Stay off the internet( I would fire an employee for surfing the net for care information) and do not take advice from anyone but us.

- Sand is the proper substrate. Beardeds live on sandy soil in the wild, they would have gone extinct in the wild a long time ago if sand was an issue. Grains of sand are non- absorbant and easily passed when ingested.

- Never turn your lights off. They must be on twenty- four/seven, especially for a young bearded. Your animals body temp will be within three degrees of surrounding temp. when you turn your lights off you are crashing his metabolism, immune system, etc.. Unless you live in Southern California or South Florida and don't use an air conditioning turning your lights off for any length of time, on a daily basis, is guaranteed to kill a young bearded.

- Reptical is mega- dosed with vitamin A. Vitamin A is toxic to reptiles in large quantities. You have been giving your animal poison in addition to suppressing his immune system. Most reptile vitamins on the market will kill any reptile that they are fed to. We do not sell reptical.

If you stick to only listening to and buying your supplies from us you would never have had a problem. When you take information from others you are experimenting with your animals life, most experiments fail. We have already done the experimenting and we are conveying to you the results.


Terry
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Jessica Rich <[email protected]> wrote:

My biggest issue contacting the store would have been that if we talked to the same person a second time and were told we were doing everything correctly still, what would that have done for us? When we thought he had an injured leg, our last thought was to call the store we bought him at.

To answer your questions:


What size aquarium are you using? 29 gallon, long aquarium, which we have also been told upon purchase from your store would be sufficient for him as an adult.
What is your substrate? sand, bought in your store. Though we're being told by everything else we read that isn't good for a baby dragon to be on.
How long are you leaving your lights on? 10.5 hours a day.
How are you watering your bearded? Using a dripper, bought in your store, also misting him. He will drink from the water dish, but also drinks well when water is dripped or misted directly onto him.
Where are you buying your crickets? From you, in boxes of 500.
What vitamin are you using? Reptical
Did you buy vitamins when you bought the bearded? When we were given everything else we needed for our new bearded dragon, we were not given vitamins. I can't remember being told about needing them. Maybe we were? But since everything we needed was put together for us I would say we were told nothing about vitamins.
Was my employee male or female and what color hair did they have? Old or young?





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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 00:03:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Email Us] Baby Bearded Dragon
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]



I wish that when you first starting to experience dificulty that you had contacted the store. Nine times out of ten wheen you start having problems it is due to set up issues. In addition, never ever go near a vet with a reptile. Most people believe that DVM stands for doctor of veterinary medicine, it actually stands for dumb, very moronic when it comes to reptiles. Ask your vet to show you their reptile medicine certification. Their are twenty-six vets schools in this country and not one single school offers one single course in reptile medicine to undergraduates. Your vet is unqualified to treat a rabbit. A DVM touching a reptile and charging you amounts to malpractice. You would have gotten more reliable information by driving through Wendy's or McDonalds and asking the drive through worker to treat your animal. In 2012, I plan to sue a DVM in the state of Ohio for malpractice for charging a fee to "treat" a reptile. Usually the patient leaves the clinic in far worse condition than when it went in. As long as peopple are willing to freely give their money to someone without a degree these scam artists will continue to fleece their clients. Please show your DVM my e-mail.

I have been breeding bearded dragons since 1994. I have produced thousands of babies and if a customer loses a baby it is due to that customer not being giiven adequate information or the customer did not follow instructions. I need to know the following to help you and if you had called earlier you could have saved your animal and four hundred dollars.

What size aquarium are you using?
What is your substrate?
How long are you leaving your lights on?
How are you watering your bearded?
Where are you buying your crickets?
What vitamin are you using?
Did you buy vitamins when you bought the bearded?
Was my employee male or female and what color hair did they have? Old or young?

-Our crickets are fed Kale, Collards, Dandelions and Mustards which are high in calcium. But, we know that you where not buying your crickets from us. Our crickets are already gut loaded. If you are using the proper vitamins and hydrating your crickets with potatoes your beaded will have sufficient calcium. Many stores are feeding and hydrating their crickets with a jello looking substance which is toxic. If your store has been feeding their crickets that diet you have been giving your bearded poisonous crickets.

- The second leading cause of death in young beardeds is feeding them anything other than 1/4 inch crickets. No vegetables, mealworms, etc. until they can eat large crickets.

- A good screw in reptile basking bulb has sufficient wide spectrum light to raise and breed beardeds. Not one single breeder that I have ever dealt with uses a wide spectrum florescent tube. I'll take your money if you want to buy one. I have them hanging on my wall but I do not push items on my customers that will not benefit their animals.

I have numerous clutches of bearded dragon eggs in my incubators that either I produced or my customers produced. My customers that are producing beardeds buy everything from me, especially their food and they never go near veterinarians.

If an employee does not convey the correct information to a customer and an animal dies the value of that animal comes out of their pay, If they do it twice, I fire them.

Please excuse any spelling errors, its late and I am tired.

 

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

I am a little shocked at the ridiculous, even dangerous misinformation this guy is giving out as care information. Each reading of it grows more and more absurd. I think this deserves its own bad guy thread Jessica. I am sorry you had to go through this and deal with someone like that.

 

[bullies&balls]

Sorry you are going throught this, BUT this is VERY common practice fro Terry. He has ALWAYS had a "god complex" when it comes to reptiles. And honestly, him having you purchase reptical and some of the other extras are doing NOTHING for your animal, just filling his pocket.

 

[MinisaurusReptiles]

Wow almost every single sentence in his email contains misinformation or a flat out lie.

 

[KatPause]

I think my husband and I feel about as bad as anything for being so unprepared for the little guy. He's been a little more alert today though, and seems to be more active. Each time I check on him he's moved around a little, so much better than yesterday. I'm hoping that we found a good vet for him since I know it is hard to do, but the one we found is one of only 2 active members of the Association of Reptile and Amphibian Veterinarians in our area. He's also a board member at our local zoo. So, it seems like he should know something about animals and everyone on his staff seems to care about our little lizzard and his health.

Of course, any advice you all have for us is appreciated too After going thru many breeder websites today and finding that the majority say the same things and are the opposite of what Terry has to say it seems we have more to learn

I do have to say, I didn't know that a bearded dragon could have so much personality until we got ours. He's my husband's little buddy mostly and actually enjoys watching flight simulator and other computer games. He's also come up with ways to communicate to my husband about being thirsty we think..he'll stick out his tongue repeatedly until he gets some water dripped on him, then drinks happily..

 

[smartlilmouse]

The stories are all true. I bought a feeder from them and it died within 10 minutes after leaving the store. Prices are too high. The girl often ignores customers in favor of doing homework (child labor laws??) It does smell bad and the animals are often left with poop and old sheds for a long while.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Wow almost every single sentence in his email contains misinformation or a flat out lie.

 

[Snake-Queen]

In addition, never ever go near a vet with a reptile. Most people believe that DVM stands for doctor of veterinary medicine, it actually stands for dumb, very moronic when it comes to reptiles. Ask your vet to show you their reptile medicine certification.

Really?? I am very glad I have a good vet to take my reptiles too.

The second leading cause of death in young beardeds is feeding them anything other than 1/4 inch crickets. No vegetables, mealworms, etc. until they can eat large crickets.

No vegetables you say?? How are they to get water?? Put a bowl of water in their tank so they drown?

A good screw in reptile basking bulb has sufficient wide spectrum light to raise and breed beardeds. Not one single breeder that I have ever dealt with uses a wide spectrum florescent tube. I'll take your money if you want to buy one. I have them hanging on my wall but I do not push items on my customers that will not benefit their animals.

Well that explains why this baby has MBD. Without proper lighting they cannot metabolize calcium to feed their bones.

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Jessica, I am very sorry for your experience and loads of misinformation and flat out lies. I am happy that your dragon is doing better.
And I agree that your experience should have its own BAD GUY post.