Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

[Suncoast Herpetological]

For an extra $50 they can get Harry to sign the paperwork from beyond the grave.

What a pathetic bunch of scumbags. May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!

 

[snakegetters]

What a pathetic bunch of scumbags. May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!

Why in the world would you wish any more suffering on their animals?

The animals at CRE are already abused and suffering. They don't deserve any more because they belong to abusive people. That makes about as much sense as saying you want to punish the rape victim along with the rapist.

 

[PaulSage]

Why in the world would you wish any more suffering on their animals?

The animals at CRE are already abused and suffering. They don't deserve any more because they belong to abusive people. That makes about as much sense as saying you want to punish the rape victim along with the rapist.

WHOA....

First of all (and I'm not usually one to post such strong reactions...) I'm pretty sure John was JOKING. I doubt (even though I don't know him) that he truly wishes for their reptiles to be infested with parasites.

Secondly, to even THINK of comparing his JOKE to rape is appalling. IF John was sincere with his statement about mites, an easily treated and quick-recovery ailment pales in comparason to the life-long trauma and emotional distress of rape victims. Shame on you.

 

[speedingbandit]

Could Barry White be involved in this?????

Its his area code as far as phone no..Anyone around his area is probably as inbred as he is... not to mention broke. I recently had the privilege of watching him squirm in court...hahahahaah...he looks like forrest gump and pee wee herman had a hatchling.

 

[Wilomn]

Yeah, I sort of thought humor was involved, especially with the "size of volkwagons" thing.

Have a cup or two of caffine Tanith, and maybe it'll be funnier on the second read through.

 

[snakegetters]

First of all (and I'm not usually one to post such strong reactions...) I'm pretty sure John was JOKING. I doubt (even though I don't know him) that he truly wishes for their reptiles to be infested with parasites.

Joke or not, a statement like that illustrates an attitude in our community that is worth discussion. Reptiles are not considered worthy of any respect or consideration as living creatures. They are merely business commodities whose health and welfare matters only if it affects their commercial worth. It is acceptable to wish harm (or perhaps even to do harm) to reptiles in order to punish people for bad behavior. That is the attitude that is accurately illustrated here, and I think that really needed to be said aloud.

I'm sure that the poster on this thread meant it to be a joke. I wish it was only a joke, but anyone who has been around the herp industry for any length of time knows that it isn't.

Secondly, to even THINK of comparing his JOKE to rape is appalling. IF John was sincere with his statement about mites, an easily treated and quick-recovery ailment pales in comparason to the life-long trauma and emotional distress of rape victims. Shame on you.

You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion this attitude in our community is an issue that deserves very serious thought and consideration. The individual case of a snake with mites cannot fairly be compared to an individual rape victim, but the general comparison of punishing the abuse victim rather than the abuser is one that definitely fits.

In any case, mites the size of Volkswagons would hardly be an easily treated or quick-recovery ailment in a snake. Does Reptile Relief come in the 50 gallon "car wash refill" size? :laugh:

 

[Jim O]

Tanith, you speak as though John was one of those who

illustrates an attitude in our community that is worth discussion. Reptiles are not considered worthy of any respect or consideration as living creatures. They are merely business commodities whose health and welfare matters only if it affects their commercial worth. It is acceptable to wish harm (or perhaps even to do harm) to reptiles in order to punish people for bad behavior. That is the attitude that is accurately illustrated here, and I think that really needed to be said aloud.

I'm sure that the poster on this thread meant it to be a joke. I wish it was only a joke, but anyone who has been around the herp industry for any length of time knows that it isn't.

I've met John in person and I have seen how he treats his animals. His displays weren't clean, they were mmaculate, as were his animals. Now it's true that John has a herp breeding "business" but I also know that he works full time and that is how he "pays the bills" not from selling herps.

Now look at what John actually said

For an extra $50 they can get Harry to sign the paperwork from beyond the grave.

What a pathetic bunch of scumbags. May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!

There are three sentences. The first sentence ("For an extra $50 they can get Harry to sign the paperwork from beyond the grave.") is clearly a joke. The second sentence ("What a pathetic bunch of scumbags.") is a commentary on the people involved at CRE. The third sentence ("May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!") sounds like a joke to me (the "size of Volkswagons" phrase being the giveaway). It's like when FDR said "A pox on both your houses!". I don't think he wished smallpox or the like on the two fueding parties. Likewise I am quite sure that John does not wish their reptiles any ill.

I don't disagree that there are many that treat their reptiles only as commodities or profit centers. John is not like that and you are barking up the wrong tree. Now in case you have trouble with that I am not saying that you are a dog. Do you get the difference?

 

[Jim O]

*immaculate

 

[snakegetters]

What part of "I'm sure the poster on this thread meant it to be a joke" was hard to understand? I was not impugning Suncoast, or anyone else on this thread with the exception of the convicted animal abuser who is its primary subject.

I felt that the issue itself was worth pointing out, even if the person who brought it up was only making a joke. What we write is a powerful influence on the way we think, and I would like people to actually think about this particular attitude in our community. Certainly not all of us share that viewpoint, but it does exist and I feel that it is not something that we can simply ignore or accept. That's why I pointed it out.

 

[Jim O]

What part of "I'm sure the poster on this thread meant it to be a joke" was hard to understand? I was not impugning Suncoast, or anyone else on this thread with the exception of the convicted animal abuser who is its primary subject.

I felt that the issue itself was worth pointing out, even if the person who brought it up was only making a joke. What we write is a powerful influence on the way we think, and I would like people to actually think about this particular attitude in our community. Certainly not all of us share that viewpoint, but it does exist and I feel that it is not something that we can simply ignore or accept. That's why I pointed it out.

So you are preaching to the faithful? And no, I don't mean that you are a preacher. Or are you merely trying to back out of a corner? This is what you said to John.

Why in the world would you wish any more suffering on their animals?

That makes about as much sense as saying you want to punish the rape victim along with the rapist.

I can see the reverse lights now and here the beep, beep, beep. You overreacted to what John said. Grow up, admit it, and git along little dogie. And no, I am not implying that you are a motherless calf either.

 

[snakegetters]

So you are preaching to the faithful? And no, I don't mean that you are a preacher. Or are you merely trying to back out of a corner? This is what you said to John.

I know exactly what I said to John and I will cheerfully say it again. Wishing mites on the snakes of an animal abuser makes about as much sense as suggesting that the victim should be punished along with the rapist. Why do you keep insisting that this translates to calling John an animal abuser?

I can see the reverse lights now and here the beep, beep, beep. You overreacted to what John said. Grow up, admit it, and git along little dogie. And no, I am not implying that you are a motherless calf either.

Who exactly is overreacting? No matter how many times it is explained to you, you keep trying to defend John against an accusation that doesn't exist.

Not every discussion of issues in our community is personal. Part of growing up means learning to understand this and to communicate your disagreements in a way that is reasoned and civil rather than personally insulting.

You may not feel that this subject is an important issue in our community, and you are welcome to say as much, but not everyone will agree with you. I do feel that this is an important issue that needed to be pointed out. That's what I did. Discussing community issues is not the same thing as making a personal attack. I'm sorry you don't seem to understand that.

 

[Jim O]

Wishing mites on the snakes of an animal abuser makes about as much sense as suggesting that the victim should be punished along with the rapist

Ummm...no it's hardly the same thing and the analogy sucks. But one issue is whether John really wished mites on the snakes. I'll try to make this simple for you. He said

May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!

and your direct response was

Why in the world would you wish any more suffering on their animals?

You can "spin" that every which way you like but you did accuse him of wishing it. Those were your own words, no one else's.

Now when it was pointed out that John was joking you made a half hearted effort to back out by saying

Joke or not, a statement like that illustrates an attitude in our community that is worth discussion.

What this so clearly means to anyone who is reading it is that you are referring to John's attitude here.

Now get over yourself. You do indeed have a point. But you got on the wrong soapbox. You want to discuss someone in particular who has that attitude, post about that person here in the BOI and be prepared to back it up. If you want to rant and rave in general terms about people's attitude without specifics post it in one of the "General" forums here or (preferrably) on another site. But your comments were a direct response to what John said and were obviously directed at him if only thinly veiled. To think that anyone who reads this is stupid enough to believe otherwise is...well you can fill in the blank.

 

[snakegetters]

What this so clearly means to anyone who is reading it is that you are referring to John's attitude here.

I felt that the joke was in poor taste because it expressed and humorously condoned an attitude that is an actual problem in our community. I responded accordingly. This is not the same as calling the person who made the joke an animal abuser.

I am sorry that you still have a problem understanding this.

 

[Jim O]

 

[ravensgait]

JimO MOOoooooOOOOoooOOOO
Tanith if you want to discuss that subject there are places to do it this isn't one of them.
Myself I would think that those that are regulars here are here because they care. they care about the Animals , the Hobby and the Reptile business. Now what any of this has to do with this thread I don't know !! give us a couple flushes Jim..... Randy

 

[Jim O]

I felt that the joke was in poor taste because it expressed and humorously condoned an attitude that is an actual problem in our community.

And it was in response to this joke (we now agree that it was a joke)

May their animals be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons!

So what you are saying is there is a "probelm in our community" with people that you know of that specifically wish mites on reptiles? Name names. Come on now, you keep saying this is a problem "in our community". I don't see that as a problem. If it existed in large number I would. Selling fake hets (what this thread is about) is a problem.

I agree that there are people that don't care about reptiles, but I doubt that even the worst of those in the "herp trade" wish mites on their reptiles or on others' animals.

While you're thinking of an answer (a specific one, not another blanket statement about people in "our community"), would you like someone to throw down a bigger shovel to help dig the hole that you're in a bit deeper?

 

[WebSlave]

Enough, please



If anyone has anything further to add in this thread concerning the TOPIC of this thread, then please do so. Anyone else interested in participating in a divergent conversation is request to start your own separate thread about such a topic in an appropriate forum and continue the discussion there.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Bruce A. Eisenmann Ph.D.!!!!

[/QUOTE]About Us
Our founder,has his Doctorate in Herpetology, We feature breeder and venomous classes, and our professionals travel to schools and special learning events. Call ahead for a scheduled appointment for your classroom or children's birthday parties. From 180-lb. turtles to pet reptiles, we have it all. We also feature investment-quality reptiles that can be used for income,or hobby,and so much more ![/QUOTE]

Maybe he does have a Ph.D. in herpetology, but not one in English language though, that’s for sure.

The following quote is from CRE's TOS page:

17) We reserve the rite to refuse a sale to anyone, at our disgression.

rite???

disgression???

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Lmao

PHD must stand for Pathetically Horrid Diction in this instance. These guys spare no effort to prove they are a blight on the reptile community.

And to the one reader of this thread who did not appreciate the fact that my comment a few pages back was a joke pure and simple, I hereby restate and amend:

May the Eisenmans themselves be infested with mites the size of Volkswagons.

Better Tanith?

 

[Orchid Gecko]

Thanks BOI

I inquired about his new 50/50 add. He responded as follows:

I have 5.4 ,100% het pieds from 2 different clutches,they are from Dave Hanners male pied K2,and either a normal female ,or a het female.All were hatched in may 05.S as far as a unrelated pr,they woulds have the same father but not mother.

I have loads of things hatching currently,and am totaly out of room.

The deal is this:I will sell female het pieds at $1600,and males at $500,HOWEVER we will take 1/2 ($800 female,$250 male) now,and ship you the snakes(shipping included)

When you produce pieds,you pay the ballance of the other 1/2.You dont produce,you dont pay.We watch the sale ads and go to alot of shows,so we are hoping to find out when someone produces if they are not honest enough to let us know.

We require a full name, adress, phone and either a state I D number or drivers licence number.

We are backing the genetics for life and have a live arrival plus 10 day guarantee.

we are not a home based breeder ,we have a actual retail store,as well as a co op of over 23 breeders,and have been selling via kingsnake for over 6 yrs.you can feel free to visit our web page at www.carolinareptileexchange.com .Our current retail store has been in its current locaton for over 3 yrs,just off interstate 77 on the Nc/Sc border.

We welcome paypal at [email protected] as well as postal or western union money orders and wire transfers to our mailing adress below.

I am more than happy to help you in any way I can both now ,and long after the sale.Feel free to give us a call.

As far as offers,Im allways willing to listen to offers on larger groups.

when you send a money order or paypal,please email us at this adress so we are sure to reserve your order.

As far as a pr goes in the 50/50 deal you would need $1050 now and the same at production

Ling









Noah, Bruce,Ling,and Staff
Carolina Reptile Exchange & co-op
3312 hwy 21 # 114 (store adress)
996 cranberry circle (mailing/shipping adress)

Ft Mill Sc. 29715
(803) 548-8BOA


I decided to check the BOI, trying to get in the habit, posting and immediatly said not no, hell no!


Steve
Orchid Gecko