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Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

Beleive me I hope it is not one of the ones you sold either. I am hoping to find someone with a pied male, and send her out on a breeder loan. That way I would know for sure after just one breeding. Doing het to het and only having a small clutch would not prove it beyond a doubt. Pied to het. would in my opinion. Granted if I do not get pieds from the het to het I will agree that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she is het. Then what?? Good luck to everyone this season. Craig Kade
 
HCE

I have bought or traded for 0.1 het albinos and 1.1 het pieds.
I have seen Harrys pieds and albino. I have seen his axanthic as well. He has or has sold to Noah of Carolina reptile exchange. Albino labyrinth,albino boas,and albino retics. I am in the process of doing a breeder loan with Harry. I am borrowing his albino male. I am waiting for his e-mail. Harry is a busy man at 71 yrs old and has not been in good health. He flies planes.

All in all i hope my albino hets and the pieds hets prove out.
 
He has or has sold to Noah of Carolina reptile exchange.
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Is that the Carolina Reptile Exchange located on Carowinds Blvd, Fort Mill SC??

Last time I was at that shop, it was Bruce, Harrys son, that owned and operated that store.
 
Noah owns the store but Bruce helps run it. Bruce was there when i went to pick up my pied hets. Harry sold the albinos laby,retics and boas to Noah. And some ball morphs. I am like everyone else who has done business with HCE and praying he is true to his word. When i talked to him he is always been very nice and helpful. I figure he makes alot of people mad because he sells the hets so cheap. And others make him look bad so he does not get much business. I took a gamble and i knew what everyone said about HArry but i am usually good at judging others. If i am wrong then i will take it from there.
 
OK....Here are dealings I have had with Carolina Reptile Exchange. They started with a 100% peid male purchased at South Carolina show, Then I traded a chondro baby for another 100% het male at the same show, Then het traded me a caimen and some cash for 1.2 100% het Albinos. All of the came with paper work. I really wanted some female 100% het pieds, so when he posted the 1.3 I figured I would contact him again, and we worked out a trade. Well he sent the 1.3 bad news 2 of the 4 were skinny and the other 2 had ticks needless to say I backed out of the 1.3 trade after he gave me a story about how someone switched the snakes I agreed to let him send some of HIS own personal snakes(1.3 100% hets) He also said I could just keep the first 4 he sent since they were normals that one of the workers changed, he said he went to the kids house and found alot of snakes that were stolen. Well I did get the NEW 1.3 plus he gave me a female 100% for my troubles(It died) after getting the snakes same thing 2 had ticks and 2 were OK looking. I decided that the risk was too high and sent the last deal back to them on Noah's request since bruce was out of town. So what I am stuck with now is NOT knowing if my 1.2 100% het albinos and 2.0 100% het pieds are really hets. I saved all the e-mail and printed them from Bruce. One E-mail Even says he will give me market value of 1200.00 if they don't prove out. If anyone has proven Harry's/HCE/Carolina Reptile Exchane's animals out please let me know. Thanks DAVID
 
Well he sent the 1.3 bad news 2 of the 4 were skinny and the other 2 had ticks needless to say I backed out of the 1.3 trade after he gave me a story about how someone switched the snakes I agreed to let him send some of HIS own personal snakes(1.3 100% hets) He also said I could just keep the first 4 he sent since they were normals that one of the workers changed,
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WOW!!!!

This sounds like an episode of the twilight zone.
David, my own opinion would be to get a refund on the snakes you have now. I mean come on: 100% HETS having ticks? That sounds a tad to fishy for me. I hope everything works out for you on this deal, but I have a very bad feeling it won't.
JMHO
 
I've posted a few times in some previous threads about HCE and his possible hets. He purchased 20 normal females from me as well (last year) right about the time all of the ads for hets/possible hets started popping up everywhere. Alot of things just don't make sense on him...no pics, no explanations, no nothing. I'm not saying he's selling normals for possibles, but you couldn't pay me to buy one from him...just too many "fishy" details, or lack there of...BS paperwork, questionable production numbers...it really had nothing to do with his asking price that made me curious so to speak, it was all of the other $%^@!!!

Think about it, hardly anyone sells off all of their female hets, or even possibles for that matter, there's MUCH MORE money to be made by holding onto them, proving them out, and going from there (just my opinion) and I know people w/ groups of 3.7 adult 100% hets that didn't come close to producing that many freaking "possibles" so what's my advice???

RUN!!!!!
 
BY THE WAY...

My comments above only target HCE and in no way was I questioning Carolina Reptile Exchange's ad. It states specifically that what they have available was bred by them, in their store, to their females...using HCE's Pied male, so I have zero negative comments or feelings about these particular animals offered by them. I just wanted to clarify.
 
My comments above only target HCE and in no way was I questioning Carolina Reptile Exchange's ad. It states specifically that what they have available was bred by them, in their store, to their females...using HCE's Pied male,
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Now if you could get a screen shot of that it would be cool.

So HCE's pied male has bred with how many females?
He has obviously bred with LOTS of females from Harry's collection.
And now he is studly enough to breed other females from other people's collections. (I need to get me a male like that)

anyone seen any pictures of the pieds harry supposedly produced in may or june of 2003?

the guy with the screen name RoyalReptiles supposedly bought one. But he seems to no longer post around here. Although he did promise to post pictures of the pieds bought from harry.


the guy with the screen name pacoq69 Chris Gouch of Crazy Colored Reptiles was supposed to buy harry's collection. I wonder what happened there.


My point. Personally I would be weary of any animal that comes with the name HCE other wise known as Digital Reptiles attached to it. Peter or Ralph or the Barkers can send it to me for free.....but if it had HCE name attached to it.....I would probably just say No thanks.
 
The ad Troy refers to has been removed but it was there this past week. Caroline Reptile Exchange was clearly stating the heteros were bred by them at their store, and were not produced by HCE. They were even offering the pied male for sale.

Regards.
 
Here is the ad. Again, I have nothing to say about Carolina Reptile Exchange hetero for piebalds. They are clearly stating these animals were not produced by HCE.

100% HET PIEDS,LOWEST PRICE ANYWHERE
Nationwide shipping available
Posted by Carolina Reptile Exchange & Co-op (Contact Me!) on December 06, 2003 at 18:33:58
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2003-08-01



I have 1.4 holdback 100% het pieds
produced here in the store
NOT by H.C.E. rather produced using his male pied bred to our normal females
2 different cluches
I will only sell 2 of the 4 females you choose
individual pics avail,as are the pics of "Dad"
pics are too large to post
lifetime genetics guarenteed
these are my animals and are truly the best of the litters
all are feeding on frozen rat pinks
all are between 120-150 grams
hatched in late july
live arrival plus 14 days
paypal prefered,but postal money order ok if sent overnight
questions? call us,(803)548-8262
100% het for piebalds
females $1800 ea or 2 for $3000,want the male?we will negotiate the price.pMNT PLANS AVAILABLE
shipping via overnight and Delta air cargo
thanx
Noah

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The following was added on 12/04/03
PICS WILL BE SENT OUT IMMEDEATLY TO SERIOUSLY INTERESTED BUYERS
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Regards.
 
I have personally seen the PIED male and Harry's Male albino.
I have been to Carolina reptile exchange. Noah has alot of Harry's breeders. I saw
3 albino retics
2 pied balls
1 albino male
1 albino boa.
green burms
albinoburms
albino labyrinth burm.
One of the prettiest normal reics i had every seen
tiger retics.
Alot of venomous.
 
Yea...

You mentioned that earlier in this thread, but you forgot the Axanthic.

Here's my feelings...the whole Digital Reptiles thing gave me enough factual evidence and purchasing an animal sight unseen would never be an option for me. The HCE thing...he was a great customer, but there has been enough information (or lack thereof) about the probability of his possible hets being normals, purchased from various members here at Fauna, only to be sold quickly thereafter.

You know what else??? If I were getting $500+ (times 40) from a $35 investment per, my collection would have some of the "nicest Retics" in it as well...
 
Yes i did see the axanthic as well i also saw tree pythons and a savannah monitor i forgot to mention them as well.
I am sure someone out there has HCE or Digital Reptiles animals. I will not be able to prove my albino het female i got from Harry until next year. If after a reason amount of times breeding them and they do not produce albinos then i will say they are normals. I will handle it from there.
 
I truly hope...

I truly hope they prove out for you, and I wish you the best of luck. It's sad that we as collectors have to worry about the legitimacy of hets/possible hets but we do, so I just hope you do well with your project and in turn produce legitiment hets/possible hets :) Keep us posted!!!

It may have sounded like I was questioning your honesty on my last post. I have no reasons to doubt what you've said you've seen first hand...my only doubts are the sudden purchase of 50+ females from various sellers, and instantly a plethora of possibles were available...not to mention the fact that his "paperwork" was questionable at best, but again...these all have to do with possible PIEDS and you are working w/ Albinos...maybe a whole other story...so again, I wish you luck, and I don't say that sarcastically :) just an honest voice of hope from a fellow herper :)
 
I got 0.1 albino hets
and 1.1 pied hets.
I have spoke with Harry on this and i went with my gut feeling. So if i am wrong everyone will know it. Anyone who knows me knows i am a very nice guy. They also know how mean i get when i am crossed or lied to. If i am wrong there will be not be a court case. Just a little backwoods redneck justice.LOL I will keep you and everyone else posted.
 
Thomas,

What's the origin of the male with which you are going to prove HCE's female against? Let's be fair, if it's also an hetero and you don't produce albinos (after several clutches), you will have to prove which one of the pair does not eventually carry the genes?

In MHO the odds clearly favor the people that sell fake heterozygous for any trait and not the buyers who try to prove them out. Why?

1. You have to be able to raise them to sexual maturity (unforeseen mortality is a fact of life).

2. You have to be able to breed them succesfully (some males and/or females do not breed readily).

3. You have to have enough experience/luck in incubating the clutches. It might seem simple but "accidents" happen and you might loose the clutch.

4. Are both male and female hetero for the trait in question?

5. Even if all bases are covered on steps 1-4, you still have the odds that might go against you. Are you going to produce the visible morph in the first, second or third clutch.

One way or the other I wish you best of lucks. :)
 
The male is a het from Chris Connerius(spl) of Maryland.The male i have is around 900 grams and the female is not far behind.

I plan on getting a het albino male from Ralph Davis soon.
Time will tell.
 
dealing with bruce

i did a trade with bruce, through a third party that i met in daytona whom i trusted. the trade was a 2002 albino eastern diamondback, 5000 dollar value for 1.4 100% hets. the trade was to take place at the columbia reptile show. my first day there i gave the eastern to the third party, who assured me my hets would be there the following day, i had never seen bruce or known anything of him at that time. the following afternoon he showed up at the show, and the third party brought to my table 1.4 mite infested baby balls . i insantly called off the deal and started the process of retreiving my animal, that had been removed from the show without my knowledge. to make a long story short, bruce slid out of the show and i never saw my animal again:( i posted a warning on kingsnake after he had posted adult 100% het for albino easterns for sale, that were suposed to come from me, but did not, i hope everyone is very cautious in dealing with this individual
ps. if anyone wants a deal on 100% het for pieds guaranteed by bruce, i have 1.4 very cheap and with no mites;)
 
Let me apologize for posting wrong information on the other thread. I was told/under the impression that you retrieved the e. diamondback by going to Bruce's shop. That makes matters even worse since you did not.
If Bruce is so confident about his animals I would not think he would have to leave a show with the animal he traded. Seems to ME that he knew he had the better end of the deal and 'split' before anyone found out.
SAD!
 
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