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Bad Guy Catrina & Joshua Shears -- Turtle Beheading

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I'm surprised this hasn't reached the BOI yet, and while I'm not immediately involved, I can't stand for this to not reach as many people as possible.

A young woman by the name of Catrina Shears recently uploaded a video to Facebook of her brother, Joshua Shears beheading a snapping turtle with a saw while it's face was being gripped by a pliers to keep it still.

I'm not friends with her on Facebook, nor do I care to be just to get screencaps, so I encourage anyone who has been involved over the past couple of days to post anything they've been able to save over the course of the whole explosion.

Her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/catrina.shears?ref=ts&fref=ts
Her Brother's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/joshua.shears.3

A link to the GRAPHIC film, uploaded by Brandon Presson onto his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=906353469392787&set=vb.100000544284339&type=2&theater

A link to a news article covering the story: http://fox17online.com/2014/09/08/o...gan-girl-posts-turtle-mutilation-on-facebook/
 
I would just like to clarify for those who don't want to/can't click Brandon's link. He is NOT affiliated with the Shears'. He uploaded the video to maintain awareness and to see these two individuals brought to justice. I just realized the way I wrote the first post might put someone under the impression that he was positively involved with them.
 
Trouble is, with this following so fast on the heels of those two teen psychos who set a turtle on fire, this is starting to look like a "get (in) famous quick" copycat.
I'm torn between registering outrage and not wanting to give these cretins the attention they obviously crave.....
 
Trouble is, with this following so fast on the heels of those two teen psychos who set a turtle on fire, this is starting to look like a "get (in) famous quick" copycat.
I'm torn between registering outrage and not wanting to give these cretins the attention they obviously crave.....
 
Snapping turtle is considered a game animal in Michigan. I'm betting this animal was harvested for food. If that is the case, a fishing license is all that's needed in Michigan to harvest snapping turtles. I checked the Michigan Department of Natural Resources fishing regulations and couldn't find any information on acceptable forms of killing snapping turtles for food.

My bet is that these individuals did not understand beheading does not kill reptiles quickly (keep in mind that we represent a fairly small portion of the public here on Fauna). There is probably no law in place, at least in the hunting and fishing regulations, that specify exactly how snapping turtles are supposed to be dispatched when used for food.

This is a very different example from the teens setting the gopher tortoise on fire. I reserve judgement for conscious animal cruelty by the parties in question in this situation. While this is not an accepted form of euthanasia in academia or veterinary circles, this method of dispatching a snapping turtle is probably not illegal either.

This may be a better opportunity to spread awareness of the proper way to euthanize reptiles captured for food rather than frothing at the mouth in a rabid quest to prosecute someone who was probably unaware of committing any wrong. Many people do not differentiate between turtles and fish (certainly the states don't, since turtles are covered under fishing licenses), and fishermen leave fish to suffocate on banks all the time.

Not to say these practices are right, but I urge everyone here to act rationally and pursue an educational angle before a criminal one.
 
I agree completely with Vanessa Lane. Sawing the snappers head off was probably the least humane way to do it, but I've seen countless instances where individuals harvest the snappers (legally), for food and teach others how to properly clean them.

I highly doubt anything will be done to the individuals in this video. As Vanessa stated, all that is required is the proper paperwork/license. There is no listed way on how to kill a snapper, and which ways are illegal. One must only think consciously on the most humane way to go about doing it.
 
I can't disagree with either of you. And wouldn't suggest vigilante justice at all. She does keep reptiles of her own (at least a bearded dragon) and is (was) friends with members of the reptile community on Facebook, which is how the video was called to attention. She's made comments publicly on her page that changes in jurisdiction wouldn't keep her from poaching, if it came to that, and that the reaction from the public makes her wish she had uploaded more inflammatory media, such as killing the animal more slowly or videos of the post - mortem bloodletting. I'm at work and can't upload screen caps until this evening, but just for the sake of the conversation.

Tangently related, she's also keeping a skinny horse in her less than an acre back yard in a tiny exercise ring, and hoping nobody complains. So her husbandry is questionable.
 
Elizabeth, it sounds like she's just a screwed up character to begin with. I can't agree at all with the way you describe she acts and portrays herself. If she mentioned that she would continue to "poach", then I could only assume that means she doesn't have the proper license and is in fact collecting the turtles illegally.
 
Snapping turtle is considered a game animal in Michigan. I'm betting this animal was harvested for food. If that is the case, a fishing license is all that's needed in Michigan to harvest snapping turtles. I checked the Michigan Department of Natural Resources fishing regulations and couldn't find any information on acceptable forms of killing snapping turtles for food.

My bet is that these individuals did not understand beheading does not kill reptiles quickly (keep in mind that we represent a fairly small portion of the public here on Fauna). There is probably no law in place, at least in the hunting and fishing regulations, that specify exactly how snapping turtles are supposed to be dispatched when used for food.


This is a very different example from the teens setting the gopher tortoise on fire. I reserve judgement for conscious animal cruelty by the parties in question in this situation. While this is not an accepted form of euthanasia in academia or veterinary circles, this method of dispatching a snapping turtle is probably not illegal either.

This may be a better opportunity to spread awareness of the proper way to euthanize reptiles captured for food rather than frothing at the mouth in a rabid quest to prosecute someone who was probably unaware of committing any wrong. Many people do not differentiate between turtles and fish (certainly the states don't, since turtles are covered under fishing licenses), and fishermen leave fish to suffocate on banks all the time.

Not to say these practices are right, but I urge everyone here to act rationally and pursue an educational angle before a criminal one.

Some good points and I agree but I would also like to add to this. Particularly the beheading part. First, we all care about the animals we keep but in many areas eating snapping turtles is common.

Even the person that saved the video had commented on the girls previous video about cleaning snapping turtles mocking others that were giving her a hard time. I think he stated he was also a hunter.

Some aren't going to like this but

The problem that arises with him and others (I believe) was the use of a saw instead of a ax. Not the beheading.

Beheading is actually the recommended way from a hunting viewpoint. Where do I get this?

Type in cleaning snapping turtles into youtube you will get dozens of videos of snapping turtles with their heads cut off.

Type into google you get many videos and picture tutorials on how to field clean snapping turtles. They all involve chopping off the head quickly.

The saw part is where many hunters, fisherman and others have a problem. It wasn't quick enough.

As far as the Michigan DNR and authorities go this is what I read they stated.

Although the actions depicted in this video are technically legal under state statute—provided that the capture of the turtle was legal—we would advocate a more rapid means of taking the animal’s life. We further hope this turtle was taken for the purpose of human consumption.”
And it seemed to me their bigger concern seemed that someone posted about it rather than the act.
“We are certainly disappointed anyone would post something like that to social media

There are rules that prohibit some actions.
http://www.eregulations.com/michigan/fishing/amphibians-reptiles/
An all-species fishing license is required to take amphibians and reptiles for personal use. Reptiles and amphibians may not be bought, sold, or offered for sale.
Amphibians and reptiles MAY NOT be shot with firearms (including spring, air, or gas propelled), bow and arrow, or crossbow. season -July 15-Sept 15 13″ minimum

You can't shoot them. You are left with catching them and killing them.

So, I find a very strong difference between the two girls that killed the tortoise for fun vs this situation too, as Vanessa stated.

Going under the impression that this animal was killed for food there is a big difference but also a problem that many ethical hunters would have with this in regards to how long it took to dispatch the animal.

Like I stated, many here aren't going to like this but beheading a snapping turtle is common practice. It's in a every field guide for hunting that deals with turtles. There are many videos which shows the aftermath. Most don't show the actual beheading. Even with that, the use of the saw vs an ax by those that do hunt them found it inhumane.

No, I don't hunt them or plan on ever eating a reptile. People do much like they hunt anything else. I do however eat meat and have hunted and love to fish like many others here. Yes, there are many hunters that are members here.

Dispatching an animal should be done quickly and with little suffering as possible.
 
I would just like to clarify for those who don't want to/can't click Brandon's link. He is NOT affiliated with the Shears'. He uploaded the video to maintain awareness and to see these two individuals brought to justice. I just realized the way I wrote the first post might put someone under the impression that he was positively involved with them.

Yeah, but what to think about him? I don't know. He made a post going after this girl and made comments to go further after her that she posted a video about a still beating heart after it was removed. Like he had a problem with it and showed signs she had problems. Well, let's look at what he posted on the video last month. she stated it was for food and he defended her.

Now he is acting like that was some horrible act. Seems a little two-faced to me.
 

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If someone hunts humanely, I don't have a problem with hubting. Same for fishing. I have personally euthanized rats with CO2. I think the method of kill here is grossly inappropriate and think the girl shows other warning signs of not being mature enough to be in possession of animals. I wouldn't sell to her, I wouldn't buy from her. That's why I posted Brandon's link, (and because I wasn't able to upload it to another location myself). I don't condone or condemn him. If you know of something concerning about him then make him a thread too.
 
Tangently related, she's also keeping a skinny horse in her less than an acre back yard in a tiny exercise ring, and hoping nobody complains. So her husbandry is questionable.
Anyone have the contact info for animal control in her county?
 
If someone hunts humanely, I don't have a problem with hubting. Same for fishing. I have personally euthanized rats with CO2. I think the method of kill here is grossly inappropriate and think the girl shows other warning signs of not being mature enough to be in possession of animals. I wouldn't sell to her, I wouldn't buy from her. That's why I posted Brandon's link, (and because I wasn't able to upload it to another location myself). I don't condone or condemn him. If you know of something concerning about him then make him a thread too.

Nope, I don't. Just found it contradicting to what he posted on the the Facebook page he started. I also agree with everything you stated in this post as well.

I'm curious about the horse. Is it firsthand knowledge?
 
Body condition is based on being able to see ribs and shoulder blades and pictures. The comment on living conditions is based on a public comment on her FB page. I'll screen cap when I get home.
 
Body condition is based on being able to see ribs and shoulder blades and pictures. The comment on living conditions is based on a public comment on her FB page. I'll screen cap when I get home.

Any chance she is trying to help the horse and doesn't have a lot of land? If she maybe got it as a rescue it might be run down, what would be important to know is whether it is getting big healthy meals now, in her care.
 
All those saying that they should have used an axe to more quickly behead the turtle: apparently decapication is NOT a humane way to kill an aquatic reptile (in any situation) because they are designed to withstand much more extreme oxygen deprivation than non-aquatic species. Therefore, even if the head was quickly cut off, the animal would still have been alert and could feel pain for some period of time after the beheading.

http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/hfs/Globals/Products/MTN136.7-8.pdf
 
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