Bad Guy Catrina & Joshua Shears -- Turtle Beheading

[Katep788]

However, decapitation is the rule and - apparently. So given that the animal's brain can remain alert and experience pain for some time after the blood flow is cut off, it doesn't seem to me like it would make a heck of a lot of difference if it took 5 seconds to completely sever the head and if it was all done at once with an axe.

I, too, found the video horrifying at first. But with more research... it doesn't seem like it is worse than what people are arguing "should have" been done.

 

[Occidentalis]

You can't shoot them. You are left with catching them and killing them.

Hi Dennis,

Not 100% on this as it's an interpretation of the law rather than a law itself, but I'm pretty sure the no shooting is the method of take, rather than the method of dispatch. You have to trap them or grab them, but once you have them harvested you can kill them however you like. I think the law is this way to discourage folks from working the shoreline with a shotgun.

Beheading quickly would likely be fine, you're right. But smashing the brain with a hammer first, just behind the eyes would probably be ideal and is recommended by a number of the higher level medical books like Mader, and organizations like the AVMA. This is the method that I have seen most guys in Michigan use. They go out fast - often times the visibly displeasing methods are the most humane for the animal.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Hi Dennis,

Not 100% on this as it's an interpretation of the law rather than a law itself, but I'm pretty sure the no shooting is the method of take, rather than the method of dispatch. You have to trap them or grab them, but once you have them harvested you can kill them however you like. I think the law is this way to discourage folks from working the shoreline with a shotgun.

Beheading quickly would likely be fine, you're right. But smashing the brain with a hammer first, just behind the eyes would probably be ideal and is recommended by a number of the higher level medical books like Mader, and organizations like the AVMA. This is the method that I have seen most guys in Michigan use. They go out fast - often times the visibly displeasing methods are the most humane for the animal.

I think you are correct.

 

[bcr229]

Any chance she is trying to help the horse and doesn't have a lot of land? If she maybe got it as a rescue it might be run down, what would be important to know is whether it is getting big healthy meals now, in her care.

Having been involved with a few equine rescues where AC was called because someone saw a thin horse on the property, as well as a retirement boarding facility where often the animals are simply thin because they're on the decline... if that were the case then she should be able to show some proof of recent acquisition, or a vet report stating that given the animal's age it's doing as well as can be expected, etc.

In those cases AC usually takes note and does a follow-up visit to see if there's any improvement.

 

[Katep788]

If the people stalking her personal page would look a TINY bit harder, they would see she's only had the horse a month and the horse has visibly improved in that time.

 

[Agoralyx]

That's great that the horse has improved. I'm truly and genuinely happy that it's looking better in the month she's had it. She has lots, and lots of posts, even in her public profile and I'll be the first to say that I haven't had a chance to read all of them. A pen in the back yard is no place for a horse to live. Period, and her post indicates that she plans on keeping Trinity in her back yard for at least a year because she doesn't have more room with her other horses.

 

[Lucille]

A pen in the back yard is no place for a horse to live. Period, and her post indicates that she plans on keeping Trinity in her back yard for at least a year because she doesn't have more room with her other horses.

If she rescued a skinny horse and it is visibly improving, she is obviously doing something right.
She may be working toward more room, but right now she is doing well with what she has.

 

[Agoralyx]

An emaciated dog's body condition will improve sitting in a 10x10 pen with food, that doesn't mean it has a good quality of life. I never saw in her Facebook page why she got this last horse, but if she doesn't have enough pasture for it, why buy it in the first place? Perhaps it is a rescue, but if she doesn't have the resources to properly care for it, and allow it room to run and graze freely, and companionship (other than, apparently, goats) that's not much of a rescue. If you can't afford to give the animal a quality life, then you shouldn't take the animal on. I totally respect everyone's right to agree to disagree. But having worked in rescue--that's my opinion.

Working on getting up the screen caps that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Agoralyx]

I'm unfortunately not being able to find the posts about escalating to showing the bloodletting, not sure if it was removed or if I'm just not being able to find it now.

 

[M_MULLINS]

I'm a hunter, fisherman, and overall outdoorsman and idiotic people like them are the reason so many people are against what I do. When dispatching an animal you're supposed to show the animal respect and do it as quickly and humanly as possible. When I'm processing an animal that wasn't shot and already dead I either use a .22 rifle if it's large enough or I use a hammer and give it one quick whack behind the eyes.

 

[bobassetto]

Did you ever see the way chickens are dispatched????..... Or hogs..... Goggle that..... Although this did remind of what happened to two Americans in the Middle East..... It really takes a special personality to "harvest" a food animal with such insensitivity for life...... All life is such a precious gift,,,,.. Unneeded sacrifice

 

[Katep788]

Horses live in stalls in stables all around the world. I see a horse living in a pen that has clean bedding and is staked out to graze on grass during the day. That is nicer than almost anything in Southern California!

I wonder what exactly any of that has to do with reptiles, though...

 

[Agoralyx]

I did mention the first time I brought it up that it was only tangently related. As an example of, what I thought (and still think!) , to be iffy husbandry of another one of her animals. (She also teases about dumping ice water on the horse's back. Come on, why joke about that?) So my first point of bringing it up was why sell to someone who has neither the money nor resources to properly house one of the animals she currently has.

 

[Billy1138]

I understand that snapping turtles are eaten, and that its rather common. I am willing to debate the topic of decapitation as a humane way of killing a turtle. My issue with the situation is her posting on social media the actual killing of the animal, and stating she should have filmed more blood squirting from its neck. Even if the turtle was harvested for food, she seems to enjoy the killing part a little too much, which makes her character questionable in my eyes. I'm looking for her quote, so i can post, where she mentioned wishing she filmed more blood. It appears she is having a lot of enjoyment and pleasure in killing the turtle.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

My issue with the situation is her posting on social media the actual killing of the animal, and stating she should have filmed more blood squirting from its neck. Even if the turtle was harvested for food, she seems to enjoy the killing part a little too much, which makes her character questionable in my eyes. I'm looking for her quote, so i can post, where she mentioned wishing she filmed more blood. It appears she is having a lot of enjoyment and pleasure in killing the turtle.

I read it as well. I believe It was a response she gave after the backlash. I didn't find anything like that beforehand. It was very immature.

Much like all the people that threaten to decapitate her, her future children, etc...

 

[Billy1138]

Thanks for the response Dennis. I agree with you. It's an upsetting video, but making threats to hurt or behead her is equally unacceptable and immature.

 

[leaveittoweaver]

I couldn't even watch the video, I tried but couldn't.

I have no problem with hunting for food. I also have no problem with a quick decapitation of the animal if that is the only way to kill it(as another poster stated earlier). The problem is honestly them sawing this turtles head off. What a slow and painful way to go. Quick axe or hatchet decapitation, okay fine. Just severing the head and killing it quickly. But slowly sawing it? That seems like a sick practice to me.

This girl seems immature and uninformed. This is the kind of crap that gets Peta all bent out of shape and coming after legitimate hunters who are doing things the right way.

As to the horse, her comment clearly states she is planning on expanding. The horse is improving in her care.


Just my two cents.