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Attention all reptile lovers. I purchased a white throat monitor from Bay Area Reptiles when they were down here in Miami for the annual Reptile Show. Well the monitor we purchased from him was the nicest in the tank of 3. We brought him home and only to found out we purchased a sick lizard. We were in contact with Ray for about a month about the monitors condition. He did try and help us over the phone but continued to deny that the lizard wasnt sick. He advised us to deworm him and after doing so saw no results in his weight or attitude. He was very lethargic and would not eat any of the food that Ray said he was eating. Which was Wiskas Cat food and Hoppers. Offering both every day he refused, the only thing he would eat were crickets, and yet he would not gain any weight. Ray stated that they only had a 5 day garuntee on the animal and would not offer us another lizard, only a discount on the next one. Well my fear of getting another sick lizard I refused to purchase anything else from him. Per one of my conversations with Ray he stated " Well it sounds like youre doing everything right and he's in the proper living conditions, sometimes people just get a bad lizard"

Just want all to please be aware to not have to go through the same thing I did. The monitor passed on thursday May 28 th 2009. May the little guy rest in peace.
 
hi
I purchased a captive bred blue tree monitor baby from ray and my experience was quite different. he was on the phone with me alot answering many of my questions. he was in contact with me after the purchase to be sure everything was ok. The lizard is doing great and we are very happy with the service as well as the quality of animal. I have even been in touch with ray about buying additional reptiles from him. I am sorry your transaction was not as pleasant as mine and very sorry to hear that your lizard did not survive. I just wanted to say that my experience was quite the opposite of yours

alan geber
 
Thanks

lanceheads & slipmattic thanks i put a signature wasnt able to change the name.

Ageber: i also purchased a reg iguana from Ray which seems to be doing fine. But i'm guessing that dueto the Reptile Show the monitor was already stressed out and he was already fairly skinny which should have been my first warning not to purchase him. But because he was the nicest one in the tank i chose him. Ray just didnt want to help me any further when i felt he knew he had sold a sick lizard. Which is why he made the statement that some people just get a bad lizard. With a comment like that its like admitting that he was sick and yet because we had passed 5 days he could do nothing about it. I took him to a reptile specialist and he said there was no way the lizard could get into that condition over night.

Crystal Vinck
 
Its no big deal. You really dont think about putting it on their unless your on the BOI responding or posting alot. I didn't think they would delete the post, but rather give you a "bad mark", so to speak.
 
civicraper22 said:
lanceheads & slipmattic thanks i put a signature wasnt able to change the name.

Ageber: i also purchased a reg iguana from Ray which seems to be doing fine. But i'm guessing that dueto the Reptile Show the monitor was already stressed out and he was already fairly skinny which should have been my first warning not to purchase him. But because he was the nicest one in the tank i chose him. Ray just didnt want to help me any further when i felt he knew he had sold a sick lizard. Which is why he made the statement that some people just get a bad lizard. With a comment like that its like admitting that he was sick and yet because we had passed 5 days he could do nothing about it. I took him to a reptile specialist and he said there was no way the lizard could get into that condition over night.

Crystal Vinck
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What was your husbandry like, that could have had a lot to do with it.
 
BansheeRacer25 said:
What was your husbandry like, that could have had a lot to do with it.
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I agree! What kind of checking did you do in regard to your husbandry? I really ask, because I purchased a frilled dragon, not from this particular breeder, but from another. He was perfect and healthy, at the place I purchased him from. I got him home, had a similar set up and my husbandry was perfect. My dragon still got sick! It was the compact fluorescent UVB bulb that was making him sick. Something that I would never have suspected on my own. It took someone else that had a similar problem to figure it out.

Just a thought!

Wayne
 
BansheeRacer25: that was one of my main concerns. Is everything set up properly. According to what every one had told me including Ray himself he said that yes everything sounded perfect for a healthy animal. But after taking him to a few reptile places they said that the animal was sick from the get go. That in no way or form would he have gotten into that state in just a few days from bad husbandry.

And unfortunately sometimes " some people just get a bad lizard" all the signs were there that i had neglected that the animal was sick and i ignored them all. skinny tail, lethargic.. and i figured well maybe hes just stressed out from the show. well i was wrong and he was indeed not a healthy animal.


MedusaCoils: thats veryyyy interesting i would have never thought myself that the UVB would hurt the animal. But the white throat requires both A and B. so in this case i dont think thats what the problem was.
 
civicraper22 said:
BansheeRacer25: that was one of my main concerns. Is everything set up properly. According to what every one had told me including Ray himself he said that yes everything sounded perfect for a healthy animal. But after taking him to a few reptile places they said that the animal was sick from the get go. That in no way or form would he have gotten into that state in just a few days from bad husbandry.

And unfortunately sometimes " some people just get a bad lizard" all the signs were there that i had neglected that the animal was sick and i ignored them all. skinny tail, lethargic.. and i figured well maybe hes just stressed out from the show. well i was wrong and he was indeed not a healthy animal.


MedusaCoils: thats veryyyy interesting i would have never thought myself that the UVB would hurt the animal. But the white throat requires both A and B. so in this case i dont think thats what the problem was.
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I agree you can sometimes get a monitor that is too far gone to recover. But you also said you took the "nicest" monitor at their stand. By "nicest" do you mean most calm or best looking? If you took the most calm that is a bad sign. A healthy monitor will tail whip, huff and puff at you. Also if you have any pics of your setup that would be good.

Cheers,
Bill
 
MedusaCoils: thats veryyyy interesting i would have never thought myself that the UVB would hurt the animal. But the white throat requires both A and B. so in this case i dont think thats what the problem was.
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Hon, he didn't mean that the frill didn't need uva and uvb. He meant that COIL type UVB bulbs, that particular UVB BULB, has been known to cause health problems in reptiles and birds, including photo-kerato-conjunctivitis and wasting syndrome.
 
Bryan T said:
LOL!!!
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i wouldnt laugh bryan, you're more of a lying,picture stealing,scamming scumbag as the rest. i see fauna has let you register. look out people, bryan tipton is another well known piece of work.

sorry for your loss op, i hope he reconsiders and works something out with you on the deceased monitor.
 
BansheeRacer25 said:
I agree you can sometimes get a monitor that is too far gone to recover. But you also said you took the "nicest" monitor at their stand. By "nicest" do you mean most calm or best looking? If you took the most calm that is a bad sign. A healthy monitor will tail whip, huff and puff at you. Also if you have any pics of your setup that would be good.

Cheers,
Bill
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SOrry about that this is my first time posting on the boi.

Billy Yeastadt.
 
I have to agree with Bill ... when chosing a Monitor (IMO), the most calm and "friendly" could also translate to chosing the one that is sick; lethargy and indifference being symptomatic of underlying health problems.

Was this Monitor represented as CB or WC? Did you ask?
 
If the tail is skinny, keep walking

Sorry to hear about your animal. I worked with imports a lot about 15 years ago and if the reptile had gotten to the point that it was using the stored fat in it's tail to stay alive it was going to need a lot of work to pull back to health. I see it all the time at shows. Reptiles can go sometime without enough care, that's how they last the long shipments.

Just want to say no matter how nice it looks if the tail is skinny, keep walking unless you are ready to put in extra care and possible vet treatments.
Amanda Reese
 
rosebud945 said:
Hon, he didn't mean that the frill didn't need uva and uvb. He meant that COIL type UVB bulbs, that particular UVB BULB, has been known to cause health problems in reptiles and birds, including photo-kerato-conjunctivitis and wasting syndrome.
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This was exactly what I was talking about. I am sorry I wasn't more specific, when I posted. I have a link regarding this. It's a bit old, but the info is still very useful.

Here is the link;

http://www.uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor-info.htm

I'm not saying that this is the problem for sure, but just in case you may want to look at it, just in case.

Wayne
 
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