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Chad Horne AKA www.Arabesqueboa.com

Let me clarify a few things that quite honestly are at this point irrelevant at this point since the point of the issue is not who accepted the box from the currier it is that you shipped a snake that died in shipping and because you are a piece of work business owner you refuse to cover it.

First point: I said originally I accepted the box, the truth is my mother accepted the box, what does it matter who accepted the box. The comment made about the smell coming from the box was said it was just said to my mother who WAS watching my children that morning. Once again, why does it matter who accepted the box from Airborne? The box NEVER sat on my porch like Chad said it did.

Second point: Why are you avoiding the problem that weather I accepted the box or my mother accepted it, the box was opened soon after and the snake was not only dead BUT had started the decomposing process! This is why it smelled so bad!

If I ship an animal to someone and they receive it or if another person in the house receives it the animal would still be guaranteed, unless of course they lived on the sun or in an igloo! I think that 99.9999% of people in this business would do that. Chad apparently has a no guarantee on his animals, so again, please beware!!

For the record, at the time I was managing a local retail store that is literally 10 minutes from my house, because of my job responsibilities I got to the package around an hour and a half to two hours after delivery. Here is my point, if the animal wasn't healthy enough to sit two hours in a shipping box then it shouldn't have been shipped in the first place. Since when is it not safe for a snake to live at room temps for two hours?
 
KCRD.com said:
Let me clarify a few things that quite honestly are at this point irrelevant at this point since the point of the issue is not who accepted the box from the currier it is that you shipped a snake that died in shipping and because you are a piece of work business owner you refuse to cover it.

First point: I said originally I accepted the box, the truth is my mother accepted the box, what does it matter who accepted the box. The comment made about the smell coming from the box was said it was just said to my mother who WAS watching my children that morning. Once again, why does it matter who accepted the box from Airborne? The box NEVER sat on my porch like Chad said it did.
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the reason that matters is because you lied. why should we believe you now when you lied from the start? sorry, just how i feel about this.
 
This is what I believe happened to the boa.

Chad shipped the boa to me as planned, however instead of waiting until late afternoon, the currier picked it up at or around 10am. This means the boa sat in the back of a currier truck until around 7pm which is when the carriers go back to the stations to unload. Since the box had no cold pack in it, the snake died from heat exhaustion in the box. The snake was probably dead before it ever left Phoenix, so the rest of it's journey it sat in a box and by the time it was delivered the next morning it was well into the decomposing process, which is why it smelled so bad.
 
reagorfu said:
the reason that matters is because you lied. why should we believe you now when you lied from the start? sorry, just how i feel about this.
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Never mind the fact that it's been FIVE years since I had to tell about this ordeal! A minor detail such as who accepted the package is not important, the box was delivered as it should have been on time. So once again why would the fact that the snake wasn't healthy enough to sit for two hours in a temp controlled room in the shipping box be overlooked by who accepted it?

Come on people lets be real here!
 
It says in the e-mails you posted,that he wanted to make it right.He was excepting half the blame.It seems like it could be either persons fault and I would have excepted the replacements or one gtp back instead of dragging it on for 5 years.Plus you threatened him,I would have told you to f#@* off too.
 
KCRD.com said:
Never mind the fact that it's been FIVE years since I had to tell about this ordeal! A minor detail such as who accepted the package is not important, the box was delivered as it should have been on time. So once again why would the fact that the snake wasn't healthy enough to sit for two hours in a temp controlled room in the shipping box be overlooked by who accepted it?

Come on people lets be real here!
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did you really think that you accepted the package? i know it has been 5 years, but you really want us to believe that you thought that you were the one who talked to the driver? it does not matter how long it has been since the event, it is still a lie. why should we believe the rest of what you are saying? i am being serious. again, this is how i feel.
 
That is not necessarily a lie, but is instead a misremembering, which is *VERY* easy for anyone to do after a 5 year span of time.
 
I have done business with Chad Horne and it was the first time I had ever gotten an animal over the internet from a breeder. He was awesome to work with, he answered all my questions and has kept in touch asking how she is doing since I received her. I would get another animal from Chad in a heart beat. His animals are beautiful, healthy and great eaters. I think he made you a fair deal and it is your fault that you didn't take him up on it. He tried to make it right. Just my opinion.


Tiffany Bone
 
Shiari said:
That is not necessarily a lie, but is instead a misremembering, which is *VERY* easy for anyone to do after a 5 year span of time.
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I agree that it is easy to forget little details but not who received the package. I think that is kind of one of the main points in the whole story.
 
How is that a main point of the story? How does it matter what person accepted the package? The point is the snake was dead when the box was opened just 2 hours after the delivery and the snake smelled like it had set out on a desert highway for a week!

Are you people really going to over look the dead animal and get stuck on the fact that I forgot after FIVE years of shipping and receiving animals who actually accepted this package!

I have no doubt that Chad has done people in his own town or neighboring states right, if I were wanting to screw a person on a deal I wouldn't do it within driving distance. I think the fact that he was fairly new to the business and didn't have a clue how to ship properly is why he decided to give me the big F U on this deal. I don't think he intended on making this deal bad in the beginning, but after you screw up by shipping out a baby boa in a box that couldn't remotely have made the journey you must admit to your wrong doings! For the love of God he shipped out a snake in the summer, out of Phoenix, with NO COLD PACK! The temps were waaaaaaaay to hot to ship this way, he should have had the package picked up at the end of the day and the snake should have had a cold pack with it!

But since he's done nothing wrong since then you all just go ahead and forgive him since I obviously can not and my wish still remains that one day we will attend the same show so we can discuss this the way it should be discussed. This is not a threat, it is simply a fact, many times things are worked out better when each party can see each other in the flesh.
 
I bought a albino male boa off chad last year and it showed up in beautiful condition. Chads service was excellent throughout the transaction. The price was better then fair and he followed up on the boa several times through e-mails and a phone call the day it arrived. I'll buy off Chad again.


Just my experience. First time poster, long time browser. (never had experience with anyone on this before that I know of.)


Kevin Healy
 
How is that a main point of the story? How does it matter what person accepted the package? The point is the snake was dead when the box was opened just 2 hours after the delivery and the snake smelled like it had set out on a desert highway for a week!
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The main point of the story is that an animal lost it's life. I would say that the matter of who accepted the package is a close 3rd, but the second most important is that it sat unopened for 2 hours. Certainly an animal packaged correctly should be able to survive the extra time. I have had animals delivered late that were in primo condition when opened.
Now, your case could very easily have been caused by the snake having been left in a truck too long the day before. However, you didnt open it for 2 hours, so we will never know.

Please call me ASAP at 913-269-5764. My mom just called me at work and told me to come right over, the snake was here. So I just opened the box not 2 minutes ago, and the worst smell you have ever smelled came from the box. The snake is very beautiful, but unfortunatly she died in shipping! Please call me ASAP!
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Ok, so your mom called about an hour after she recieved the package to let you know that when she did get it it smelled bad? According to your email you were home within minutes of the call, but according to your earlier explanation of why you lied about who took the package, you mention that because of your duties it was an hour and a half later that you arrived.

You say the animal could have been sick when shipped so it couldn't handle the trip. You say the animal could have died of heat exhaustion because it was in a truck to long. You refuse to admit that MAYBE it died because of the extra time in the box at your place.

I don't know the layout of your temp controlled basement. I know that a lot of basements have water heaters, and/or clothes dryers in them. Now, I am not playing Matlock here, just thinking it may be possible that it wasn't the temperature of the basement that was the issue, and that something else could have killed the snake in there. Again, we will never know.

In the emails you posted yourself, it looks like Chad did try to meet you half way, and that you wanted more than that.

I recently bought a snake that arrived alive, was opened immediately (I open them before I bring them in to make sure I am not bringing in mites), and died within 8 hours of delivery. The snake never was quite right, and the seller refunded my money, including shipping. You don't get that everywhere. Live arrival to most means it was breathing when you opened the box, and thats it. Had the snake sat in an unopened box for 2 hours after arrival, I doubt I would have even told the guy that it died. By the way, the snake was cold , so I left it to warm up at room temperature, so I didn't heat him up too fast.
I checked on him a couple times an hour, and when I found him dead it was my nose that allerted me to the fact first.

Live arrival means that the snake is alive when it arrives, not when you get around to opening the box.If you open the box immediately, youre covered(by most). If you you open the box 2 hours later...You don't know that it wasn't alive when it got there.

There is no way in the world I would not be available for a package that had a live animal in it the morning it was to be delivered
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Right!

I said originally I accepted the box, the truth is my mother accepted the box, what does it matter who accepted the box.
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It only matters because YOU said YOU accepted it, and opened it right then. You weren't presenting facts about Chad Horne, you were trying to plant a seed before the hole got too deep.
 
First point: I said originally I accepted the box, the truth is my mother accepted the box, what does it matter who accepted the box. The comment made about the smell coming from the box was said it was just said to my mother who WAS watching my children that morning. Once again, why does it matter who accepted the box from Airborne? The box NEVER sat on my porch like Chad said it did.
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It matters because well, you lied, which makes the truth in everything else you say here questionable. Let's be real here, you would not forget if it was you or your mom that received the package that morning, especially in a "deal gone wrong" case like this.

There is no way in the world I would not be available for a package that had a live animal in it the morning it was to be delivered.
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Another lie?

If you were not there to receive the package, mom should have opened it immediately to confirm the snake's health.
 
I purchased a group of snakes from Chad 1 1/2 years ago, the transaction went well, the snakes were honestly represented, the price was fair, the shipping was good, I would deal with him again without hesitation, Brad Lichtenhan
 
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