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Champagne or Ivory?

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Which gene do I need more? I've seen the enchi champs and they are pretty insane, and I feel like an enchi fire x champ pairing could yield some pretty unreal babies..

Just looking for opinions before I make my next move.
 
If you are looking toward enchi fire champagnes (or other champ combos), then you need a champagne....if you want yellowbelly combos, you need the ivory. Let your goals be your guide.
 
champagnes are more desired right now from a selling point, but if you want to make puma, super stripe, or hiway combos the ivory would be better. Look at all the combo morphs of both and think of how many your going to have to sell and weigh out both
 
Kingofspades said:
I dislike champagnes...so my vote is obvious. Haha.

But get what you like.
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What!!! :NoNo:

How can you dislike champs, that can't be right :eek:

We liked them enough to get 2
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Ivory's are nice IF the adults that produced them are nice.
I would make sure when buying an ivory to know what line of yellowbelly was used to produce it.
 
snakesRkewl said:
Ivory's are nice IF the adults that produced them are nice.
I would make sure when buying an ivory to know what line of yellowbelly was used to produce it.
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I agree...I asked for pics of the parents of every ivory I considered, regardless of price or trade offer.
 
I think you should go with the Ivory, the combos are endless plus you wont make any normals.
 
A lot of good replies.. I do agree that champs overpower most morphs, my sole purpose for buying one would be to make enchi champ combos.

Having a super and not producing any normals would also be a plus, and there seems to be more growth for the ivories in terms of possibilities. The champ would wash out a lot, whereas the yellowbelly will enhance. But I'll have fire, pastel and vanilla in my collection and I can only have so many enhancers.

I think the champ will be a game changer for my collection. But, there are some nice pastel ivories at comparable prices.. Love the points, thanks for the replies.
 
AFMike27 said:
Having a super and not producing any normals would also be a plusQUOTE]

look at the difference between making all $250 (minimum) snakes everytime or $1000 (minimun) everyother or even third snake. You could have an army of super pastels but every male pastel is still a $50 snake. I would rather make a normal or two here or there and have a big payoff. I would rather make less money but make snakes I truely love over spending all the time making ones that might get me a little more money.
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It's not even about the money for me Randy. Ball Pythons are just a hobby, if I ever come to breaking even on it than I'll consider myself lucky. I'm too busy to ever have a very large collection with the military, at least until the wifey gets more interested and involved. Better happen soon haha, I'm going to deploy sooner or later.
 
I see it this way. Enchi champs are very nice and I'm sure when added other genes into the mix it will be even better, but champagne overpowers most everything else it touches. YB enhances the color and pattern of everything it touches.
 
AFMike27 said:
It's not even about the money for me Randy./QUOTE]

thats why you read the latter part where I said I would rather make less money making snakes I like. Figure out which one of the combos really jumps at you and thats what you need. I had a conversation a few times with my partner saying I had nothing that really popped to me, even though I have some high dollar snakes. Its about what strikes you. I had a $8000 male that I liked less than a $400 female. A super anything does no good if it isnt what truely makes you happy. A the best part is buying the two snakes that make it so you produced it yourself!
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