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Charles Ball Selling Black-headed pythons from PA Buyers Beware!

crotalusadamanteus said:
Maybe he's busy trying to slip a link into his site somewhere and just say we all missed it the first time. He sure is avoiding the questions being asked of him.
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I clicked on everything that was clickable, and read through all of the BS. I just double-checked, there's no TOS to be found on that website. But I wouldn't be surprised if it popped up on there sometime soon, lol.
 
same here

Cat_72 said:
Wes, did you look at the seller's webpage? I looked all over and couldn't find any kind of TOS anywhere. I believe others have said the same.
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As I said before unless the seller made his TOS service known, he is in the wrong!!! And I have looked 3 times to see if I could find them on his web site and NOTHING.....
 
Tom got burned!

I did not ready every post, as I felt I did not have too. Tom is a good guy who knows his Pythons, and I think he got screwed. I am no expert, but I thought baby Black Heads were supposed to hatch so bloated with yolk that they do not feed for a while? That snake looked thin to me before it was shipped, just small in general. I find it hard to believe it fed on anything before it was shipped and regardless of delays if you know how to pack animals they should arrive safe and sound. That should be industry standard. I would want 100% of money back too. I found Tom to be very knowledgeable, and truly think if the snake died from anything he was at fault for he would not have brought this to the BOI. I am sorry to hear you got burned Tom, you did the right thing by coming here. Tom Stevens
 
Tsutton5 said:
As I said before unless the seller made his TOS service known, he is in the wrong!!! And I have looked 3 times to see if I could find them on his web site and NOTHING.....
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Bear with me here, it's for a reason.

Did the seller EVER tell you, verbally, by email or any other way, that you needed to call him from the airport?

Did you guys ever discuss what would happen if something went wrong?

I know no one wants to have these discussions, especially when you are dealing with someone for the first time, but an ounce of prevention is worth a lot if you get a dead or dying Black Headed Python.

I'm not faulting the buyer either. I am just getting to the bare facts of what was and was not discussed prior to arrival of that snake to the buyer.
 
I see what Wes means. He could have told him of the TOS verbally, or by email, or USPS. And if he was informed upfront, than it would mean a violation of the TOS, and some of the responsibility would therefor need to be shouldered by the buyer as well.

Not condoning the OBVIOUS fact, that the snake should never have been shipped in the first place, but the facts are what the BOI is supposed to be about. If he violated the TOS by being notified, and not complying, than Charles got the free ride he seemed to be looking for.

Sad but true.

Rick
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
I see what Wes means. He could have told him of the TOS verbally, or by email, or USPS. And if he was informed upfront, than it would mean a violation of the TOS, and some of the responsibility would therefor need to be shouldered by the buyer as well.

Not condoning the OBVIOUS fact, that the snake should never have been shipped in the first place, but the facts are what the BOI is supposed to be about. If he violated the TOS by being notified, and not complying, than Charles got the free ride he seemed to be looking for.

Sad but true.

Rick
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The point exactly.

When you purchase from someone, you do things, agree to things, they want. IF you just go along, If you don't object, you agree by default.

READ THE FINE PRINT and if there isn't any, ASK FOR SOME.
 
To clear things up there was no TOS anywhere ever mentioned prior to the death of the snake. Once the snake died he cut and pasted and added some dead black-headed python geared crap to CHA. I have been selling and buying snakes for a very long time and think I have just been very lucky in the past and have not had to deal with people that hide behind a TOS, especially when it was not mentioned prior to the shipment or agreement. I am the kind of guy that believes a deal is a deal and my word or the word of others means something. Shame on me and believe me this has opened my eyes. I sent him real money and expected to get a real healthy snake in return. The question here is not about a TOS it is about a persons word, reputation and healthy animals! Thank you all who are following this and understand the reason for this thread in the first place, which was to save others from making the mistake I made in trusting Charles Ball!
 
Then rely on luck, and good luck to you, or be specific about what you expect when you make a purchase.

I'm not trying to make you into the bad guy, you're not. But, just because you ASSUMED things would go well, is, obviously, no gaurentee that they will.

Cover your own ass, no one else is going to do it for you. Sad but true.
 
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Wilomn said:
Bear with me here, it's for a reason.

Did the seller EVER tell you, verbally, by email or any other way, that you needed to call him from the airport?

Did you guys ever discuss what would happen if something went wrong?

I know no one wants to have these discussions, especially when you are dealing with someone for the first time, but an ounce of prevention is worth a lot if you get a dead or dying Black Headed Python.

I'm not faulting the buyer either. I am just getting to the bare facts of what was and was not discussed prior to arrival of that snake to the buyer.
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Wrong tom to quote
 
Wilomn said:
Then rely on luck, and good luck to you, or be specific about what you expect when you make a purchase.

I'm not trying to make you into the bad guy, you're not. But, just because you ASSUMED things would go well, is, obviously, no gaurentee that they will.

Cover your own ass, no one else is going to do it for you. Sad but true.
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This may be parsing it a bit too finely, but it appears that the buyer has been accustomed to transactions in which good faith was the guiding principal, and now, faced with a seller not of the same mind, got burned. IMO, relying on good faith goes a long way, but obviously may leave you exposed. Personally, I will not deal with anyone who can not be relied on to act in good faith instead of hiding behind questionable TOS. While in this case the technicalities of the situation seem to cover the seller, it would seem that he is not doing the right thing. As stated, you have to cover your derriere, either by being satisfied with each technicality of the TOS, or by knowing that the seller can be relied upon to act in good faith. (Assuming of course you, the buyer, also act in good faith)
Bottom line - One more to avoid.
This thread needed another Tom
 
Tom O.,
Couldn't agree more. That this was not a question of adherence to TOS, bogus or otherwise, was established long ago. In that respect, it has served as a lesson in clarifying TOS, again discussed long ago. The original complainant knew that he had no strict TOS claim, again clarified long ago. Charles chose to enliven the party by throwing some quickly fabricated TOS into the mix, which made him an even easier target. But from the beginning, Tom #1 was warning people about a seller with lousy ethics. I thank you for making the effort Tom #1. Some folks were just late getting to the party. Just an assumption on my part, but I have no faith in reading this that Charles would have honored an ethical solution were he obligated by different TOS. His TOS could have promised the moon, and in the end, the customer was going to be mooned alright. :bleep:

Its never about what someone says about their TOS. Its about references that say they are good for it. If we were talking many thousands of dollars that would justify a court case, then TOS would come into play. But, regardless of the numerous TOS violations brought to light in a year here, how many actually make it to successful civil litigation? The anguish of it all is that it is hard to justify spending thousands of dollars to recover hundreds. For the naive out there, unless specified in the deal, where some fee-shifting may be an agreed upon part of enforcing the terms of the deal, it is hard to recover legal fees except in the more egregious (or frivolous) of claims. This thread did need another Tom.
 
I just waded through this entire thread and it is apparent that Charles Ball is a total scammer. In addition, I've worked with a lot of Aspidites and hatchling BHP in particular can sometimes be difficult feeders. From the photo it seems to me likely that that snake never fed and the seller was dumping a non-feeder on the buyer for a "good price". I'll definitely be staying away from anything Charles Ball sells and will be advising others to do the same!
 
This is in Chuckie's newest ads on KS.



Though there was a strange mishap with one shipment you MUST abide by the Terms of Sale if you expect to receive a reimbursment of funds.
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So....Putting a half dead, non feeder in a box, shipping it, and screwing the customer out of their money is a "strange mishap"?


One good thing is he says there aren't any more for sale. Guess they other non feeders must have died before he could unload them to unsuspecting customers.
 
Strange mishap my :censored: He pulled his adds once this thread started so hopefully this helped someone save money! He also had told me a few weeks ago he sold them! That was his story for why he could not replace the animal. He is so FOS that he probably still has them and will be trying to sell yearlings next year! We shall see! I wish other classifieds had other Boards to help people like this one, thanks Fauna
 
black heads

wow hon, thats a mess! What's wrong with this guy? really! How could he do that? Blows my mind! How old was it? He must not care about his snakes or his reputation. I never sell any of my babies till they are at least four months old or longer. the amazon babies I've been selling were seven months old before I put them up. I want to make sure my animals are thriving and doing well before they go and I feel better when they are older, cause the shipping and change is stressful for them. I would NEVER sell an animal with a defect. I had one baby who was the last out that had a wobble to his head. He's doing great though and coming out of that, barely noticeable now. I'm not selling him though. He's beautiful and I'm just keeping him as a display snake. I just would'nt sell any animal that wasn't perfect or ever had any issues. It's wrong. and I just couldn't do that to anyone.
 
You do realize, Therese / sphxnlady61, that the thread you're responding to and have resurrected is a couple months shy of being 10 years old? I don't think there is another baby from the clutch to offer at this point, lol. No offense intended.
 
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