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Bad Guy Charlie Dube aka CHARLIE

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I wanted to let every one know how my recent transaction went Charlie Dube. The way this was handled has been very unprofessional so far and I consider this to be bad guy business. Maybe not intentionally at first but he has nothing to say about the situation so I stand with my opinion about him.
I recently contacted Charlie Dube via email through kingsnake regarding his ad selling Uroplatus Sikorae. He confirmed my order would consist of one male and two good looking females. At first he try to charge me $70 more than what the ad even said. After confirming price of what was posted and my order description. I paid in full via pay pal.

I get my package first thing in the am. Very light package and it was in the upper 40's that morning in Ohio. Day before was 60's 50's F and dropping. No heat pack either which may of been ok. I think it should have been packaged better.Especially shipping uroplatus on a thurs. Which is unheard of as well to me so far.Now for the package. Inside the box, at least was lined with thin styrofoam. There were 3 small cloth bags taped shut, laying loose in some newspaper. That was it. No moisture nothing. Very cold motionless geckos I cut out of these tiny bags. I never got geckos is bags before usually in delis w moist moss or paper towels. They looked very skinny and in pretty bad shape. All 3 drank for a few hrs. They were all split up into their own fully planted enclosures with proper atmosphere that had been monitored before hand. That night I knew I had 2 males I thought and a very bad off female. The 2 would eat hunt and act normal. the 3rd I was worried about as I thought she was my only female as well. Anyways she died 6 days later never ate a thing , never even attempted or ever looked a bit interested in any food. The others are actively hunting anything in sight.
I did email seller before death explaining he made a mistake on sexing and I would like to work something out if possible since that is not what i paid for or was described. In the end I posted the death of my female on Geckos Unlimited. I was told it was another male. So all in all I was sold 3 rough males which one died in 6 days and there was nothing I could do. It was terrible shape. So skinny you could see the ribs from across the room. To weak to climb and had shed stuck on feet and face. I know the risk of WC animals but that gecko should not have been shipped at all. It was already on the verge of certain death and he had to know she wasnt eating and nothing much to it.
He does not admit to sending the wrong sex and has no comment on the other gecko. Im to the point of putting this behind me and just wanted to inform how the transaction went down. Yes I did get 3 geckos at a good price. Completely wrong order though he sent and very ill gecko.


The other 2 are doing ok.Hydrating well now and eating when fed. They are skinny , but with a little bit of time and care Id expect they will be back to proper weights and health.

Heres a few pictures of the geckos and the one that died. See how skinny he was especially that back legs. This pictures was minutes after death.
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I do have emails of the whole transaction as well as pictures. At this point im already excelled it to paypal claim to decide on what they think is fair. He is not acknowledging any wrong doing on his part. From sexing or poor animals. Im not looking for a full refund at all. I do think at this point I may deserve one though.
For future reference I would never recommend CHARLIE to any one. Very unprofessional.
 
Best of luck with PayPal - typically, their response in cases like this is that they offer no guarantee with live animal purchases, and that not as described type complaints aren't honored outside of eBay. Occasionally somebody gets lucky, though.
Any other information you can provide about this seller, and your transaction with him, would be appreciated.
 
I'm sorry this happened to you. The male that died should definitely not have been shipped in the condition he was in. I know, especially with Uro's, that buying WC is extremely risky, but he did not even make the proper precautions to increase their chance of survival (spraying container, putting them in bags).

You look to have the other two geckos setup properly and I hope they thrive for you :)
 
Honestly my complaint was about receiving the wrong order. I know he only had a live guarantee if that even. I was sold the wrong order of 3 males. I paid for 1 male and 2 females. Not 2 males and another sick male that resembled a female since she was so shriveled. So the dispute is more about the sex I guess since I know 6 days on a death is not going to be on him. Im not wanting anything out of this but to let you the Community know. I figure pay pal is going to not make the best decision since it's a case of he said she said on sexing geckos. I did my part. I contacted him nicely first but with no reply.
 
If you still have 3 available in the morning id be interested in 2 females and a male if possible. The last pictured female on Kingsnake ad and possibly the mossy male one you posted as odd. As well as another female with similar pattern and colors to the other two. Do you accept pay pal? Talk to you soon Thanks Jack
On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:45 PM, charlie wrote:

Jack,

Shipping for 3 or 6 will be $ 58.00 I have to use the same size box for both. They will be comming from NJ and can be shipped tomarrow. Let me know Thanks Charlie
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 09:25 PM
Subject: Message about: Uroplatus Sikorae

Charlie,
Trio would be good. one male 2 females. Or 3 females if possible.Was interested in the male you labeled ODD and the 3rd female pictured on your other ad. If you could find another good looking female with good color that would work. Let me know Thanks Jack
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:56 AM, charlie wrote:

Jack,

Yes i still have some uro's left. Let me know what you need, Charlie
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 08:31 AM
Subject: Message about: Uroplatus Sikorae


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Hi Charlie, I sent you an email late last night , just let me know if you still have Uroplatus available. Interested in buying Trio. thanks Jack



Jack,
So you want the male odd one plus 2 females that will be 308.00 shipped. My paypal account is the same as my email. Paypal me today befor 1:00pm est and I can still ship them out today. I need a shipping address and phone number. Someone has to be there to receive them. Thanks Charlie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Parker" <[email protected]>
To: "charlie" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Message about: Uroplatus Sikorae

2 females and a male will work send payment right now. Use the FED EX location I sent you. Hold for Pick up Jack Parker 4404091235. If you need any more info let me know. Should have payment within next few minutes. If you could pick them for color and looks out of that lot I would appreciate it a lot thank You Jack .
On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:58 AM, charlie wrote:

yes, i use fedex
 
Two years ago I purchased a pair of Nosy Faly panther chameleons from Charlie. Not only did he send me the wrong male, he also sent the one I specifically told him I did not want (because it appeared to already be on its way out in the KS ad photo). It died within an hour of arrival. Several months later I purchased another male Nosy Faly from someone else, bred him to the female from Charlie, and produced some very pretty Nosy Faly-Ambanja crosses.
 
Mis-sexing U. Sikorae either means he doesnt know anything at all about them, or he sent you males on purpose. For you non-Uro types, the hemipenal bulge is unmistakable and they are sexually dimorphic- you can generally tell male from female just by pattern.

IMO- the dude's got no excuse on shipping a dying animal, and just as little excuse for sending all males when females were requested.
 
I personally emailed Charlie the link to this thread as well gave him another chance to work things out between us if he chose to rectify this situation in anyway. I was notified by pay pal that they are reviewing our statements since he did send them a explanation and going to make their decision based on their terms.
 
Charlie did contact me by phone. Offered to make some sort of resolution. I was offered full refund if I did send the wrong order back. I opted to keep the animals since I dont ship ever yet .I have been caring for them spending money on them and they are starting to come around nicely for me.
He has no females so I cant get what I wanted anyways. So the next thing I could think of was refund me for the dead gecko. Which would be not much. Still Im not to thrilled and he could tell. So I suggested him to send me the original male that he was charging me $70 more for that I declined originally. He did offer to send him tonight for tomorrow with him paying shipping. As well asked me specifically how I would like it packaged. I do appreciate Charlie coming forward and contacting me to make me a satisfied customer in the end. I still dont have any females but I am satisfied to a point as I am going to have a male that I did want though. I hope the best for Charlie and his business. Honesty is a key to running a good business and im glad he did acknowledge the mistakes.
 
That's good to hear, Jack. Nobody's perfect, everybody makes mistakes. Assuming Charlie comes through for you he will be doing the right thing and has hopefully learned something here.

Way to man up, Charlie.
 
I did receive a good looking gecko today from charlie as promised and it was nicely packaged. I might not of got any females that I really wanted but im glad he at least acknowledged the issues and worked them out the best we could.
 
So a little over a week ago Charlie's ad for Uroplatus Henkeli on Kingsnake perked my interest. I've been wanting to get a pair, but they're not that easy to find. I contacted Charlie, he emailed back, then on and on and on it went. (I have a lot of questions)

Cut to the end, we finally talked on the phone and I bought a pair of henkeli and a female fimbriatus. I received them today, and they are what was represented and in good shape, considering fedex did everything they could to kill them... but that wasn't Charlie's fault now was it?

He sent me a tracking number when he said he would, the packaging was correct and can't say anything bad about the guy.

I would buy from him again. In fact, I almost certainly will.
 
Glad to hear everything went well. The guys I got from him are doing great. One is particularly very social and probably my favorite gecko out of my collection at the moment. Still looking for the perfect females for my males though.
 
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