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I placed an order with cheap snake hooks on Dec 22, paid via pay-pal. I have been e-mailin them and leaving voice mails(atleast 15 of each). They have not returned a single one, filed a dispute with pay-pal and the co. said the mailed it out on the 7th, gave me a tracking #, usps has no record or never picked up.

So pay-pal is saying its out of there hands since they shipped it.
I also have sent cheapsnakehooks request for money via pay-pal for the past 3 weeks.

The owner is Morton Myers, and even with his personal # he will not return calls. I got him off guard one night, called at 10pm Montana time(they are in Florida) He answered said real quick that he would call me back on the bus. line. That was a week ago, a havent heard crap.





My advice stay away from these kids, they are a joke.



thanks
Rod Irwin
 
Contact USPS with that tracking # once again or if you have a USPS center that you can go into personally, have them run that tracking # again and have them write you a letter that that tracking # was never picked up nor was it delivered. Take that response from USPS and send it to PayPal showing that you have proof of non delivery and that should warrent you a refund with Pay Pal. Good Luck Shanell.
 
Sorry to hear about another scumbag in the herp industry...

Seems like they are coming out of the woodwork...
The integrity of this industry is falling apart...good thing for the core group of people with values and morals that keep at least a piece of what we love respectable.

If you want a good hook...for a GREAT price...and excellent service...try www.floghooks.com

Damon Theis is a great guy...his hooks are excellent...and you won't believe the prices.

I personally own two of these hooks and will NOT buy one from anyone else.
 
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Um...the whole concept of cheap snake hooks kind of floors me. I dunno about you guys, but when I am betting my life on the quality and integrity of my safety equipment, spending $30 on a really good, high quality, well balanced hook is no big deal. Especially when compared to the cost of a hospital stay and antivenom.

A well made, light, properly balanced hook is a precision tool that I can move faster and more accurately. That degree of precision makes a huge difference in how capable and how safe I feel when working with the more challenging species. Try hefting a clunky, crappy, cheap wood and steel hook, and then put a Midwest Minihook through the same paces. See the difference in how fast and how precisely you can move the hook where you need it to be. Now imagine there's a pissed-off venomous snake on the other end of the hook. Just how bad did you really want to save ten bucks?

I generally prefer to stick to Midwest tools. Aircraft grade metals, American made with professionalism, no cheap Pakistan crap made from recycled tractors. Awesome customer service. http://www.tongs.com will do ya. Another good company is Furmont; they have some fine sturdy stuff that is not junk. http://www.fieldcam.com/furmont.html

There are some very good "homemade" hooks put together by smaller craftsmen, and there is also some real garbage floating around that I would not care to use on critters that can kill me if something goes wrong. A good quality snake hook should last for years; it's a worthwhile investment. Skimping on your snake hooks to save a few bucks on something that could a) break inside of a year instead of lasting 20 years and b) get you maimed or killed is just not a good idea.
 
I have to agree with Tanith on midwest hooks they are awesome and have great customer service, but i have also used flog hooks and they are amazing as well sturdy, light and well balanced i would go with any of the hooks tanith named or flog hooks work very well too. BTW i hope you get your money back, and im sorry your having to go through all this trouble.
Eric Weintraub
 
I have not tried the Flog hooks, but I have never been thrilled with the whole "recycled steel golf club" setup because it's usually not as well balanced or as light as I would like it to be. These kinds of hooks can be quite strong and heavy and sturdy, but that is not what I personally look for in a handling tool. A few extra ounces of weight really mean a lot when you need to get the hook from here to there in a fast but precisely controlled way.

When I am sparring with twitchy cobras or mambas who don't agree with me about what direction I want them to go, a lighter hook that I can move faster and more precisely is going to do me a hell of a lot more good than a heavier, stronger hook that is slower to move. Arguments with large arboreal elapids who should be nicknamed "Speedy Gonzalez" happen a lot in my house, so I generally want my hooks to be ultra light, fairly short and perfectly balanced so that I can place them quickly and precisely where I want them. Your mileage may vary, especially if you are working mostly with the heavy bodied vipers that need the stronger hooks.

One of the "homemade hooks" that I really love, but I can't figure out who makes them or how, is an ultra light graphite shaft with an aluminum or titanium head. They weigh about nothing, and they'll support a much bigger snake than the Midwest Minihook can. I use the minihook on any arboreal up to a 7'-8' mamba, but an adult cobra is just too big for this hook and most vipers are too fat bodied. So I use the bigger graphite hooks on adult kings and they're just about as light and fast as the Midwest mini. Anyone have some pointers to dealers selling these? I could use a few more.

Warning: what I like in a snake hook is not going to work for everybody. An ultralight hook is not for picking up Gaboon vipers or for flipping tin. They can and do break. They are precision tools for specific purposes. They work wonderfully well for me, but some handlers who do different things or use a different handling style are going to be happier with the heavier, sturdier, longer hooks.
 
I agree with Tanith, go MIDWEST! When it comes to working with venomous snakes, an extra $15 for a good, high quality and durable snakehook is nothing compared to the cost of a bite (big $$ or your LIFE).

When you order from an outfit called "Cheap Snake Hooks", you're gonna get what you pay for...Obviously in this case you didn't even get that, but maybe you should consider yourself lucky in a way...if you got the hooks, and they were crap (which they likely are), then you could be in big trouble when your hook breaks on you with an angry gaboon on the end of it (or whatever you happen to be working with). Go with Midwest, the customer service and quality of the product is second to none. I like the ultralight minihook as Tanith mentioned, very light (under 1 oz.) and easy to control. I also LOVE the collapsable hook, I usually use it at the 30 inch length (I like shorter hooks, more control), but they are expandable to 39 inches. Very nice design and durable. Do yourself a favor and go to http://www.tongs.com.
 
While plugging snake hooks..

I'd just like to mention that I have been using FurMont hooks for years, within both my personal and University collections.
I have found FurMont to be superior to any other hook on the market, especially their field hooks, though the Midwest hooks are a close second. Of course, the Midwest tongs can't be beat, especially their Gentle Giants..
I ordered a hook from Doc Morty last year, just to test it. It took forever to receive, but he finally got ot to me, so I wouldn't worry too much about not receiving it, but I certainly wouldn't use one of his hooks to handle venomous, just my humble opinion..
As others have mentioned, your handling equipment is nothing to skimp on, especially when working with venomous, it's very cheap insurance in the long run..

Best regards,

Jeff Snodgres
 
I agree with what others are saying go with Midwest, I own 2 of their hooks and 2 pair of tongs. Flat out the tongs are the best anywhere, I have an older set of standard tongs I pcked up somewhere along the line and my snakes hate them, they do not at all seem to mind the midwest tongs, I have two pair of the gentle giants. I pick a snkae up with this they act no differant then if I was using a losely gripped hand(the tongs do hold alot better then that) for the most part they will just hang there and seem comfortable not squirly or aggitated like others set of tongs ive had and used. As faras the hooks I have one standard and one(I know some may laugh) set of the mark oshea hook. I love that hook light weight, strong and sturdy as all hell as snake getters was saying above about a well balanced lightweight hook, they oshea hook is just awesome, strong enough to flip tin, grab tree roots to help myself up a hill lightweight and perfectly balanced thats its perfect for any aplication IMO in any event I have also bought a few 0ther things from midwest GPS, tubes some other stuff one thing I was always shocked with was the speed it arrived, every purchase with them was normally here the next afternoon at the longest it took two days, in any event the tongs and hooks I have Ill be sticking with and highly recomend them to anyone.
 
epidemic said:
I'd just like to mention that I have been using FurMont hooks for years, within both my personal and University collections.
I have found FurMont to be superior to any other hook on the market, especially their field hooks, though the Midwest hooks are a close second. Of course, the Midwest tongs can't be beat, especially their Gentle Giants..Jeff Snodgres

I love FurMont hooks also, but actually getting hold of any of their equipment can be a huge pain in the butt. The equipment itself is top notch, but the customer service department is basically nonexistent.

I've ordered a few things from them over the years, and they took roughly forever to show up. I had to bother them on the phone repeatedly to get a catalog. You can't order from their website. So, if I happened to be a a veterinary or AZA conference and Furmont is physically there and their hooks are physically there, I'd cheerfully buy more of them. If you have a similar chance, go for it. Great product, when you can get your hands on it.

The Furmont hooks rock. Their bagstick sucks to an incredible degree of suckage. Nice concept, really lousy execution. Little annoying parts that break and get lost and are hard to put together after each capture, expensive product. I field tested it in Texas and was sorry I had. The Pro Bagger or even a cheap homemade bagstick without the annoying little plastic rods beats the Furmont bagger by a mile.
 
Furmont DOES Rock

Furmont Hooks ARE the best hooks I have EVER used. I own 6 of them in various lenghts.
I have used their hooks for well over 20 years, and I have never had one break. I bent a few though! LOL!
I also like Midwest, and Dana is a nice guy to deal with. Midwest's Mini-Hooks are FABULOUS!, great for working small arboreal hots!

Randal Berry
 
I wonder what's next in the industry. I'm looking forward to seeing CheapSeatBelts.com and CheapCarBrakes.com for people who want to save a few bucks on auto parts. So they break once in awhile, big deal, you're saving lots of money, right? CheapParachutes.com would be a great resource for skydivers. Don't mind the flimsy harness straps or the occasional holes in the chute, you're getting such a bargain. And how about CheapAbdominalSurgery.com? So they cut corners a little on the anesthesia.

Oh wait, some of this stuff already exists. Scary, innit?

I don't mean to be too cruel to the folks who own CheapSnakeHooks.com. There is a market niche for a less precision product that will do just fine for working with nasty watersnakes or Amazon tree boas. Nothing wrong with going for that niche with a cheap, sturdy, basic hook. But skimping on a critical safety tool that regularly stands between you and death (or at least a bad hospital trip) is grounds for Darwin Award candidacy.

Working with venomous snakes demands professional level skills and safety protocols. Not that I am saying that everyone who keeps them should be working in a zoo; there are a lot of private keepers whose standards of care and handling skills exceed what I've seen in many zoos. But the keepers I admire most always maintain a professional attitude about safety, because taking sloppy shortcuts and skimping on the safety tools has obvious consequences.

There's a difference between "I can do this if I have to" and the ideal circumstances you try to set up as your everyday routine to minimize your long term risks. I've had to move a frightened Eastern diamondback off a busy road to save its life, armed with nothing better than a baseball cap and one of my sandals. Can I do that if I have to? Sure. Would I want to institute this as normal safety protocol in my collection? Hell no. I'm going to set up my routine handling situations with the best safety tools money can buy. No matter how much I spend on snake hooks in my lifetime it isn't likely to approach the cost of a single prevented bite.

Sure, you can move king cobras and mambas around with a basic hook. Actually you can do it with a branch you break off from a tree. In a real pinch you can grab just about anything and make it work. A branch is an improvement over a sandal and a baseball cap, and a basic hook is an improvement over a stick. But a professionally crafted hook is better still, so why would anyone who had a choice want to use the less effective tool? To save ten bucks? :uhh:

A lot of people never use any other tools but the most basic, and they do just fine. I have no problem believing anyone who says, "I've used these basic tools all my life and never had a problem". A lot of people don't, and that's a testament to their skill even with less advanced tools. Any skilled keeper can cope under less than ideal safety circumstances if they have to. A smart keeper tries to minimize the occasions on which they have to.

Surgeons a few decades ago didn't have lasers or advanced life support equipment, and they still had a pretty good track record. What they had back then was pretty good, but what we have now is better. A surgeon who only had tools from the 1960's would still be able to save a lot of lives. But since better technology is available, it would be considered criminal negligence not to use it when lives are at stake.

Thanks to significant recent advances, you can now buy well crafted, properly balanced, ultra light, precision safety tools for snake handling. The difference between one of the clunky old style steel hooks and a professional handling tool made from aircraft grade materials is like comparing a knife to a surgical laser. A good surgeon under field conditions can save lives with just a knife. But if you have a choice, if you have time to set up under controlled conditions to optimize your health and safety, it makes a whole lot of sense to get the better equipment.
 
I have to say Tanith has made an excellent point.
One I would never have considered when giving advice on getting remanufactured golf club hooks. I should have taken into cosideration what type of snake was being kept.
I don't personally keep venomous, so the thought never crossed my mind.

I use the flog hooks, with great success, on non-venomous reptiles...and as field hooks...

If I ever get to a point where I decide to keep venomous reptiles...I would definitely agree that these hooks will prove to be unwieldy.
 
A.C.E. Carbon shaft hooks!

I have hooks made by Furmont, Midwest, and Animal Capture Equipment (A.C.E.)
I am happy with all of them. http://www.ace-cap.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=ACEI What I like most about ACE is they have GREAT customer service and warranty. They also have a new line of hooks made with carbon shafts and polymer hooks. They are ultra light and strong. They stand up to chemical cleansing and won't rust. They are consistantly coming up with new ideas and products. :beer:
 
I was also positively impressed with several of the ACE products that I examined at shows, though I haven't bought any or tested them on actual snakes. Their "Big Gaboona" hook seems like a very good candidate for a lightweight but sturdy tool with the dimensions to handle the big terrestrial vipers.
 
I placed an order for some sexing probes with these guys. The general service was not that great, but I did receive my order. It took about 2.5 weeks to get my order. They said they were waiting on a shipment of supplies when I contacted them (after about 20 attempts). The sexing probes were good quality. I will probably do business elsewhere from now on.
 
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